Monroe is impressive. Trade proposal

[rondohondo]

Cap is rising! There is room for all 3 of those guys, plus our younger dudes

The salary cap is projected to rise to $66 million for 2015-16 . This money is about enough for the contracts of Rondo, Green, Monroe, Wallace, and Bradley. Your math doesn't work out.

Yea I think Wallace,Bradley and maybe Turner will likely need to be traded without taking salary back in order for us to re-sign Rondo, re-sign Green and have the ability to sign a max free agent.


 

[chambers]

Ainge himself has said they are looking for championship caliber players. Monroe is not a championship caliber player.
Ask yourself this question:
Can Greg Monroe be a top 3 player on a championship caliber team at center or PF?
The answer is no.

If you think Sullinger is, will be, or can be traded for a top 3 player on a championship caliber team (at center or PF), you're a lil' out of touch with reality.

Sullinger is in his 3rd year. He's played less than 2 seasons of NBA basketball because of his back injury. In his 3rd season, his numbers are better than David West, Greg Monroe, Zac Randolph, Taj Gibson, Josh Smith, David Lee, LaMarcus Aldridge, Carlos Boozer were in their 3rd seasons.

He currently isn't good enough to be a top 3 player on a championship team- but this is also his first season playing power forward in the NBA. His sidekick is Kelly Olynyk who is not a traditional center which is a huge disadvantage on team defense and help defense. Give him 2 years in the NBA and he's likely going to improve even more.

If you don't think that Jared Sullinger can be a significant piece in a trade for a star at some point, then you sir, are out of touch with reality.

He's an excellent player and of all the third year players in the NBA, and it's fair to say he's a top 5 player from the 2012 draft who we picked up with the 21st pick.
2012 draft best players:

Anthony Davis pick #1
Damian Lillard pick #2
Andre Drummond pick #9
Jared Sullinger pick #21
Bradley Beal pick#3

He's also one of only 4 power forwards in the NBA to average more than 15 points a game and shoot 35%+ from three.
Those 4 players are:

Nowitzki
Love
Ibaka
Sullinger

Assuming he can improve his free throw percentage to above 75% (currently at 68%), he should post per 36 numbers of AT LEAST 20 points/10 rebounds by the end of next season.
He currently posts per 36 numbers of 19.5 points and 10.1 rebounds.
If we get really lucky and he becomes a 40% 3 point shooter and shoots 80%+ from the line, he'd possibly be a 22 point, 10 rebound monster with stretch ability that can guard the PF and Center positions when needed.

In other words, he is projecting to be a better player than David West was as an All Star in 2007 and 2008 averaging 19.3 points and 7.5 rebounds per 36 minutes a game- and West had Chris Paul and Tyson Chandler on that team to help him on defense and get him the ball at his favorite spots. (which Rondo does a good job already with Sullinger. Olynyk does not help guard the paint like Tyson Chandler. lol).

[chambers]

Ainge himself has said they are looking for championship caliber players. Monroe is not a championship caliber player.
Ask yourself this question:
Can Greg Monroe be a top 3 player on a championship caliber team at center or PF?
The answer is no.

I say yes, Monroe can be a top 3 player on a Championship team when he plays center.

Not at PF though.

I can't see it. He's averaged 16 points 9 rebounds at his peak. His team stinks at Detroit and he beats up on weaker opponents but in the playoffs against the best teams in the NBA? What about Tim Duncan or Dwight Howard in the finals? Or Marc Gasol? How does he provide adequate defense stopping those guys. He's not a 25 point scorer or 12 rebound kind of player either.
You'd need Kevin Durant and Russel Westbrook on your team to make Greg Monroe a top 3 player and even then you'd need a defensive PF like Ibaka next to him- and Ibaka is better than Monroe so that would make him the 4th best player.
He's just not good enough. Fools gold. Just doesn't do any one particular thing really well, and if you put Ibaka on him or a solid post defender in the playoffs he's likely to get shut down.

I just hate the idea of wasting money/cap room on a guy that doesn't give you championship pedigree for the money he'll command.

Can you explain the Boris Diaw before and now with spurs transformation then?

Can you explain how you are comparing Boris Diaw on the Spurs, to Greg Monroe ?
Boris Diaw gets paid $7 million as a role player on a championship team and plays with a top 10 nba player in Duncan and top 10-15 player in Parker.

Greg Monroe will be seeking $14-15 million at least, to be a top 3 salary earner on any team he joins. Does that sound like a recipe for championship success to you triboy?

[mmmmm]

I'm not completely clear yet on whether Detroit would still have Bird Rights next Summer.  Coon doesn't explicitly say anything about that that I could find.  But I know they do not transfer if he is traded to another team and I suspect that means Detroit has lost them as of his signing of the QO.

Detroit still has Monroe's Bird rights.  The reason that Monroe can veto a trade has to do with the qualifying offering being a one-year contract for a player who will have Bird rights at the end of the contract, not as any special feature that is specific to a qualifying offer.  See CBA FAQ #100 for when a trade requires player consent:

When the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, his Larry Bird/Early Bird rights are not traded with him, and instead becomes a Non-Bird free agent.

Ah yes - Thanks!   That was the same issue with Chris Wilcox when he veto'ed being traded to Washington.  Forgot about that.