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Idea to Improve Avery's Defense.
« on: November 19, 2014, 07:36:29 PM »

Offline Smartacus

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Let me preface by saying that I am a massive fan of Avery Bradley and particularly his lock down perimeter defense.

We've all seen the amazing strip steals on strong ball handlers, the constant fight to beat his man to a spot, the general 2 steps ahead quickness that leaves opposing ball handlers second guessing their instincts.

If there's one thing that he could stand to benefit from, something that might become more obvious when he slows down and morphs into a savvy veteran, it would be becoming a more cerebral team defender.

He's definitely not bad now. He'll leave his man to camp a passing lane with the best of them, but I'm talking more of a Tony Allen style both arms up, sealing off angles and disrupting potential passing and shooting lanes style of team defense.

Kobe would do it when he would roam off Rondo. KG, Marc Gasol and Tyson Chandler are(were) masters of it.  It's why DeAndre Jordan can struggle on defense even when he's blocking shots. It's just that ability to disrupt plays before they happen. To be more proactive and less reactive.

Stevens has said that he wanted Bradley to return to that dominant defender, but with his new found gunner mindset it might make more sense for him to step out of the man coverage tunnel vision and start putting some real damage into opposing offensive systems. I know Gary Payton worked with Lillard this offseason, maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to get The Glove back to Boston to try to if there's more to unleash in Avery Bradley.

Re: Idea to Improve Avery's Defense.
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2014, 07:49:51 PM »

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What is this about lockdown perimeter defense?

This is doubftul

He is a pressure guard, who pressures guys in the backcourt and makes life hard.

Everything else he is average, he can be pesky for sure, but hes not as good as people say he is.

He shut down Jameer Fat Man Nelson and ever since then hes been praised way too high.

I remember Teague torching him. Hes a good player for sure. And a good NBA defender.

Think Eric Snow, but Eric Snow is wayyyyyyyy better.

Re: Idea to Improve Avery's Defense.
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2014, 09:37:14 PM »

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What is this about lockdown perimeter defense?

This is doubftul

He is a pressure guard, who pressures guys in the backcourt and makes life hard.

Everything else he is average, he can be pesky for sure, but hes not as good as people say he is.

He shut down Jameer Fat Man Nelson and ever since then hes been praised way too high.

I remember Teague torching him. Hes a good player for sure. And a good NBA defender.

Think Eric Snow, but Eric Snow is wayyyyyyyy better.

Couldn't agree more.

Re: Idea to Improve Avery's Defense.
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2014, 10:22:13 PM »

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I'm usually Mr.positive but Bradley is overrated. His defense is overrated and his shot selection is just horrible. like tonight. 3 for 11 and 1 for 4 from three. He does not help this team. And I don't know why he starts on this team. I would yank him every time he bricks one from just inside the 3 point line. Which is all the time. I could shoot as poorly as he does. The only things I yell during a game is put Bradley on the bench and for Olynyk to shoot.

Re: Idea to Improve Avery's Defense.
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2014, 06:38:05 AM »

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I'm usually Mr.positive but Bradley is overrated. His defense is overrated and his shot selection is just horrible. like tonight. 3 for 11 and 1 for 4 from three. He does not help this team. And I don't know why he starts on this team. I would yank him every time he bricks one from just inside the 3 point line. Which is all the time. I could shoot as poorly as he does. The only things I yell during a game is put Bradley on the bench and for Olynyk to shoot.

totally agree with all of that.

his shot selection is my biggest gripe with him. as for olynyk? we need to give this guy the ball more imo. if he's going to be a one way player? then he should have no less than 20 shots a game. otherwise is see no point in playing him.

Re: Idea to Improve Avery's Defense.
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2014, 07:00:14 AM »

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What is this about lockdown perimeter defense?

This is doubftul

He is a pressure guard, who pressures guys in the backcourt and makes life hard.

Everything else he is average, he can be pesky for sure, but hes not as good as people say he is.

He shut down Jameer Fat Man Nelson and ever since then hes been praised way too high.

I remember Teague torching him. Hes a good player for sure. And a good NBA defender.

Think Eric Snow, but Eric Snow is wayyyyyyyy better.

  He's not much like Snow, and Snow wasn't "wayyyyyyyy better". When he was Bradley's age he was getting about 3 points a game as a backup.

Re: Idea to Improve Avery's Defense.
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2014, 02:50:31 PM »

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I didn't watch the entire game against Philly, but I generally liked the shots I saw him take.  Bradley should be taking open catch-and-shoot jumpers in transition.  I saw him take those shots without hesitation and I liked it.
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2014, 02:58:01 PM »

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What is this about lockdown perimeter defense?

This is doubftul

He is a pressure guard, who pressures guys in the backcourt and makes life hard.

Everything else he is average, he can be pesky for sure, but hes not as good as people say he is.

He shut down Jameer Fat Man Nelson and ever since then hes been praised way too high.

I remember Teague torching him. Hes a good player for sure. And a good NBA defender.

Think Eric Snow, but Eric Snow is wayyyyyyyy better.

Remember how Raymond Felt on torched him?

Lockdown D, baby.
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2014, 09:15:15 PM »

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What is this about lockdown perimeter defense?

This is doubftul

He is a pressure guard, who pressures guys in the backcourt and makes life hard.

Everything else he is average, he can be pesky for sure, but hes not as good as people say he is.

He shut down Jameer Fat Man Nelson and ever since then hes been praised way too high.

I remember Teague torching him. Hes a good player for sure. And a good NBA defender.

Think Eric Snow, but Eric Snow is wayyyyyyyy better.

Remember how Raymond Felt on torched him?

Lockdown D, baby.

He was not torched. Listen I don't mean to interfere in the irrational hatred of Bradley, but could people possibly have stats or be more reasonable other than just spewing out spite just for the sake of it?

Re: Idea to Improve Avery's Defense.
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2014, 10:17:34 PM »

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He was not torched. Listen I don't mean to interfere in the irrational hatred of Bradley, but could people possibly have stats or be more reasonable other than just spewing out spite just for the sake of it?
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Stats for AB:

Thus far this season, his DRtg is 113; ORtg 98

His Win Share this season is 0.1 compared to a career WS of 4.1

His PER this season is 10.8 compared to last year's 12.7

His Asst% is down to 5.7% compared to a career 9.8%

His TO per 100 plays is up one from last year: 10.9 vs. 9.9

And his 3pt% is down from last year: .326 v .395; and he's putting them up at a greater rate. So last year he shot 79 for 200 from 3pt range over 60 games played. If we extend out his ten games to a comparable 60 games, this year he'll be at (14)84 for (43)258.

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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2014, 10:22:57 PM »

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He was not torched. Listen I don't mean to interfere in the irrational hatred of Bradley, but could people possibly have stats or be more reasonable other than just spewing out spite just for the sake of it?
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Stats for AB:

Thus far this season, his DRtg is 113; ORtg 98

His Win Share this season is 0.1 compared to a career WS of 4.1

His PER this season is 10.8 compared to last year's 12.7

His Asst% is down to 5.7% compared to a career 9.8%

His TO per 100 plays is up one from last year: 10.9 vs. 9.9

And his 3pt% is down from last year: .326 v .395; and he's putting them up at a greater rate. So last year he shot 79 for 200 from 3pt range over 60 games played. If we extend out his ten games to a comparable 60 games, this year he'll be at (14)84 for (43)258.
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Looks like some good reasonable stat back up to me.

Re: Idea to Improve Avery's Defense.
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2014, 10:50:58 PM »

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I don't know everyone I guess I try to look at players in a vacuum, what they're capable of in the right situation rather than what they happen to be putting up for production now.

Didn't mean to create a Bradley hate thread here, I think that he could conceivably improve as a defender but that is not to say that he's useless now. If opposing players didn't operate under the assumption that there is going to be little to know resistance at the rim, maybe they wouldn't just blow by Avery since what's he going to do, hand check them?

Call me an apologist but I just think it's too early in this teams development to draw conclusions about certain player's ability. Bradley is a specialist being asked to carry a starter's responsibility load. Once we add some more talent and he can comfortably fit into a role on this team he'll be viewed as an entirely different player.

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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2014, 11:00:48 PM »

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Still I think it is too early to jump to conclusions that Bradley's overrated and he is worse then Eric Snow and Thabo. I still believe we should wait until the midway season to judge.

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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2014, 11:02:59 PM »

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I don't know everyone I guess I try to look at players in a vacuum, what they're capable of in the right situation rather than what they happen to be putting up for production now.

Didn't mean to create a Bradley hate thread here, I think that he could conceivably improve as a defender but that is not to say that he's useless now. If opposing players didn't operate under the assumption that there is going to be little to know resistance at the rim, maybe they wouldn't just blow by Avery since what's he going to do, hand check them?

Call me an apologist but I just think it's too early in this teams development to draw conclusions about certain player's ability. Bradley is a specialist being asked to carry a starter's responsibility load. Once we add some more talent and he can comfortably fit into a role on this team he'll be viewed as an entirely different player.

I actually agree with this, but there can be no doubt that his productivity on both ends is down this year, thus far...