JaValle McGee buy low?

[arctic 3.0]

Too busy to flesh this out but...
Thorton and bynums expiring plus a lotto protected pick
For McGee.
Best case: he thrives under CBS and RR spoon feeding.
Worst case 10mpg rotational big. Gone after next season.
Floor is open for deep thoughts and mindless rebuttals.

[D.o.s.]

Absolutely.

[BleedGreen1989]

I'd be down but I think Gerald needs to go out in such a deal.

[sofutomygaha]

Do you think that this could be done with a lesser pick? It looks to me like Denver is going nowhere and that they hate McGee. They clearly have good reason for that, but McGee could conceivably be the next in a proud tradition of frustrating athletic giants who finally figure out how to play net-plus in their mid-twenties. I'd be willing to give it a spin on JaVale "rich man's Fab Melo" McGee.

Now, we already did trade the Bynum contract, and Thornton has a trade exception that makes bundling him also impossible.

I liked the idea that was floating around last week of offering Wallace and the Clipper's pick.

[pearljammer10]

........We waived Bynum weeks ago.......

[MBunge]

If we're going to trade for a questionable big, why not just get Perk and be done with it?  OKC would clearly consider it if we offered them Wallace and the Clippers 1st.  At least then we'd have a pro the other bigs could learn from, not a flake we'd worry about being a bad example.

Mike

[arctic 3.0]

........We waived Bynum weeks ago.......

Doh!
Hoops hype salary page...

[sofutomygaha]

If we're going to trade for a questionable big, why not just get Perk and be done with it?  OKC would clearly consider it if we offered them Wallace and the Clippers 1st.  At least then we'd have a pro the other bigs could learn from, not a flake we'd worry about being a bad example.

Mike

Because Perkins has zero upside and McGee has Deandre-Jordan-esque upside

[BleedGreen1989]

If we're going to trade for a questionable big, why not just get Perk and be done with it?  OKC would clearly consider it if we offered them Wallace and the Clippers 1st.  At least then we'd have a pro the other bigs could learn from, not a flake we'd worry about being a bad example.

Mike

Because Perkins has zero upside and McGee has Deandre-Jordan-esque upside

Not to mention OKC is not nearly as willing to move Perk as most casual fans think.

They value his big brother role and he still does effective things on the basketball court that don't really show in a box score.

[D.o.s.]

If we're going to trade for a questionable big, why not just get Perk and be done with it?  OKC would clearly consider it if we offered them Wallace and the Clippers 1st.  At least then we'd have a pro the other bigs could learn from, not a flake we'd worry about being a bad example.

Mike

Because Perkins has zero upside and McGee has Deandre-Jordan-esque upside

Not to mention OKC is not nearly as willing to move Perk as most casual fans think.

They value his big brother role and he still does effective things on the basketball court that don't really show in a box score.

I think it's mostly because they don't want to admit he's a sunk cost.

[KGs Knee]

If we're going to trade for a questionable big, why not just get Perk and be done with it?  OKC would clearly consider it if we offered them Wallace and the Clippers 1st.  At least then we'd have a pro the other bigs could learn from, not a flake we'd worry about being a bad example.

Mike

Because Perkins has zero upside and McGee has Deandre-Jordan-esque upside

Javale McGee having "Deandre Jordan" upside is absurd. Javale McGee has very little upside himself at this point. He has been in the league more than long enough to conclude he is what he is at this point, a highly athletic but completely lacking in basketball skills dumbass who will just never get it. McGee is useless.

[Who]

The cap space Boston would be giving up is more valuable than McGee is.

So for me it's no deal.

[crimson_stallion]

Because ever though Perk and McGee are both frequent members of the ASaF (All-Shaqtin-a-Fool) First Team, McGee at least has Age and physical talent on his side, leaving some minor hope that he may ONE DAY become a basketball asset to a team.

He might be the basketball equivalent of an absolute moron, but there is no question that the guy is an impressive physical specimen who is a pretty capable rebounder, shot blocker and even scorer (shock).

Over his career McGee has averaged (Per-36 minutes) 15 points, 54.1% FG,  10 rebounds, 0.8 steals, 3.3 blocks and a surprisingly reasonable 2 turnovers.   

Perkins (Per-36) has averaged 9 points, 53.6% FG, 9.5 rebounds, 0.5 steals, 2 blocks and 2.5 turnovers.  Clearly McGee has been the more productive player over his career.

In fact surprisingly, as bonehead as he is, McGee has been pretty impressive in the minutes he's played.  He's career lows Per-36 have been 13.1 points (2010-2011), 7.7 rebounds (2013-2014), 2.4 blocks (2008-2009) and 44.7% FG (2013-14)...so even if you took the absolute worst stats he's ever put up and combined them all into a single big bad season, he'd still be a pretty decent starting center.

[crimson_stallion]

If we're going to trade for a questionable big, why not just get Perk and be done with it?  OKC would clearly consider it if we offered them Wallace and the Clippers 1st.  At least then we'd have a pro the other bigs could learn from, not a flake we'd worry about being a bad example.

Mike

Because Perkins has zero upside and McGee has Deandre-Jordan-esque upside

Javale McGee having "Deandre Jordan" upside is absurd. Javale McGee has very little upside himself at this point. He has been in the league more than long enough to conclude he is what he is at this point, a highly athletic but completely lacking in basketball skills dumbass who will just never get it. McGee is useless.

This is exactly the same thing people said about DeAndre Jordan last season when Doc said he had All-Defensive team potential, and pretty much everybody on this forum laughed hysterically.  Doc is the one laughing now.

It's also pretty much the same thing people said about Greg Monroe during the off-season, and so far this season he's averaging 19.5 points, 13 rebounds and 3 assists, 51% FG, 79% FT...and looking like a potential superstar.

Again, it's similar to what people were saying about DeMarcus Cousins, then he came out last season as arguably the best center in the league.  The only reason he didn't make the All-Star team is because the NBA decided to fuse center and forward into a single 'big man' category...otherwise he would have been a guaranteed All Star.

I know McGee is a bonehead, but then so were DeAndre Jordan and DMC.  In both cases a change of environment (new coach for Jordan, new ownership for DMC) seems to have flicked that switch and changed everything.

There's every change McGee may be a failed experiment and might never be any more than he is now, but it's by no means a certainty.  If you can get him on the low, I certainly would consider taking the risk.  At the very least he can fill a much needed role as a rim protector who can play major minutes off the bench. 

[MBunge]

If we're going to trade for a questionable big, why not just get Perk and be done with it?  OKC would clearly consider it if we offered them Wallace and the Clippers 1st.  At least then we'd have a pro the other bigs could learn from, not a flake we'd worry about being a bad example.

Mike

Because Perkins has zero upside and McGee has Deandre-Jordan-esque upside

Javale McGee having "Deandre Jordan" upside is absurd. Javale McGee has very little upside himself at this point. He has been in the league more than long enough to conclude he is what he is at this point, a highly athletic but completely lacking in basketball skills dumbass who will just never get it. McGee is useless.

This is exactly the same thing people said about DeAndre Jordan last season when Doc said he had All-Defensive team potential, and pretty much everybody on this forum laughed hysterically.  Doc is the one laughing now.

It's also pretty much the same thing people said about Greg Monroe during the off-season, and so far this season he's averaging 19.5 points, 13 rebounds and 3 assists, 51% FG, 79% FT...and looking like a potential superstar.

Again, it's similar to what people were saying about DeMarcus Cousins, then he came out last season as arguably the best center in the league.  The only reason he didn't make the All-Star team is because the NBA decided to fuse center and forward into a single 'big man' category...otherwise he would have been a guaranteed All Star.

I know McGee is a bonehead, but then so were DeAndre Jordan and DMC.  In both cases a change of environment (new coach for Jordan, new ownership for DMC) seems to have flicked that switch and changed everything.

There's every change McGee may be a failed experiment and might never be any more than he is now, but it's by no means a certainty.  If you can get him on the low, I certainly would consider taking the risk.  At the very least he can fill a much needed role as a rim protector who can play major minutes off the bench.

McGee is not, never has been and likely never will be anywhere close to the same kind of player as those other three.  If ANY of them were available for the equivalent of Wallace and the Clippers pick, Ainge would make that deal so fast he'd probably go back through time and do it again.  Neither Jordan nor Monroe have been remotely as boneheaded as McGee and Cousins is about 5 times the player.  Not to mention his numbers have dropped like a rock the last 4 years.

Mike