Does Rondo for Kyrie make more sense now.

[Beat LA]

If we're trading Rondo, I'd rather trade for a non-PG. I want Smart to be this team's future starting PG.

From the looks of it, Irving is not a PG. 

This. LOL

If this happens, Kyrie will be our Monta Ellis, but a sexier name than Monta Ellis.

Im not even sure if I want to do this. Rondo may not be as talented as Kyrie, but I havent seen any leadership qualities on that kid. Not to mention his questionable defense.

I'm going to have to stop you right there .  Rondo is head and shoulders above Kyrie in terms of talent, especially for his position.  The only things that Irving does better than Rondo are shoot and create his own shot.  Ironically, because Kyrie isn't a pg, I thought that this playing with Lebron would work much better on offense than it ever did with Wade because Irving can actually SHOOT , and if things break down he can create his own shot, but it looks like that dynamic hasn't taken hold yet.  Lebron is supposed to be the playmaker, with the other guys playing off of him, in no small part because he can't play off the ball, either, lol, but Irving should be able to make the adjustment, and rather easily, at that.  At least, imo.  Love has been the only consistent member of the three so far, but I'm sure that they'll fix things.  Remember too that Miami started 9-8 way back when.  Just some food for thought.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

If we're trading Rondo, I'd rather trade for a non-PG. I want Smart to be this team's future starting PG.

From the looks of it, Irving is not a PG. 

This. LOL

If this happens, Kyrie will be our Monta Ellis, but a sexier name than Monta Ellis.

Im not even sure if I want to do this. Rondo may not be as talented as Kyrie, but I havent seen any leadership qualities on that kid. Not to mention his questionable defense.

I'm going to have to stop you right there .  Rondo is head and shoulders above Kyrie in terms of talent, especially for his position.  The only things that Irving does better than Rondo are shoot and create his own shot.  Ironically, because Kyrie isn't a pg, I thought that this playing with Lebron would work much better on offense than it ever did with Wade because Irving can actually SHOOT , and if things break down he can create his own shot, but it looks like that dynamic hasn't taken hold yet.  Lebron is supposed to be the playmaker, with the other guys playing off of him, in no small part because he can't play off the ball, either, lol, but Irving should be able to make the adjustment, and rather easily, at that.  At least, imo.  Love has been the only consistent member of the three so far, but I'm sure that they'll fix things.  Remember too that Miami started 9-8 way back when.  Just some food for thought.

Fair enough. Point taken.

[Vermont Green]

Irving for Rondo solves some problems but creates others -- the biggest upgrade that I can see is that you're trading a 29 year old All Star point guard for a 22 year old All Star point guard.

...with the 22 year old all star under contractual control for 4.9 seasons and the 28 year old all star under control for only 0.9 seasons.

Those are two pretty big upgrades for a team that is trying to rebuild even with plenty of questions about Irving.

As someone else said above, Cle will probably figure it out before they become desperate enough for Lebron, I mean their GM, to do this.

[D.o.s.]

Irving's got better handles than Rondo.

[Vermont Green]

If we're trading Rondo, I'd rather trade for a non-PG. I want Smart to be this team's future starting PG.

Ideally, yes but Irving is a terrific asset for a rebuilding team to either develop (and trade Smart for other assets) or to re-trade (look what Philly got for Jrue Holiday!).

It doesn't matter that much that our roster isn't balanced right away.  We can get there.

[Boris Badenov]

Four games in. 

Exactly. What's that line about those who forget history?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/sports/basketball/01heat.html?_r=0

[Vermont Green]

How do Wade and Bosh circa 2010 compare as side-kicks to Irving and Love circa 2014?

I think Wade and Bosh are much better although I do expect that Cle will be just fine.

[Roy H.]

I love that Lebron essentially took a night off against Portland, refusing to shoot the ball to teach his teammates a lesson, and Kyrie is considered the immature one.

[Jonny CC]

Irving for Rondo solves some problems but creates others -- the biggest upgrade that I can see is that you're trading a 29 year old All Star point guard for a 22 year old All Star point guard.

...with the 22 year old all star under contractual control for 4.9 seasons and the 28 year old all star under control for only 0.9 seasons.

BINGO!!  I wouldn't consider trading Rondo if he was under contract for the next few years, but considering the circumstances, I would love to get a player of Irvings caliber in return. 

[Jonny CC]

I love that Lebron essentially took a night off against Portland, refusing to shoot the ball to teach his teammates a lesson, and Kyrie is considered the immature one.

And I love the fact that he scolded his teammates in the press but added that he's willing to help them.  Such a caring soul. 

[crownsy]

Rondo will be the first one who will decline this offer. He see LeBron as a rival. Why would he join him?

He can't decline anything, he doesn't have a no trade.

and He has already stated he is going to test free agency and wants a max deal. So I pretty much already have him in another Jersey, since I doubt the Celtics are going to offer Rondo a max deal in their current state. rondo is a guy who rounds out a championship roster, not one you build one around, particularly not at 29.

I don't think some perceived "rivalry" is going to come into his decision. We are rivals with the lakers, but if they offer a max and we don't, Rondo will be in purple and gold next season.

[crownsy]

I love that Lebron essentially took a night off against Portland, refusing to shoot the ball to teach his teammates a lesson, and Kyrie is considered the immature one.

And I love the fact that he scolded his teammates in the press but added that he's willing to help them.  Such a caring soul.

Listen, I hate the guy, but what did he say that every other leader of a team doesn't say

"they have bad habits from losing for years" they do, watch Irving play. he is in full on hero mode, and that comes from trying to carry the team.

" I know how to win" while i hate that this is reality, he has two rings. so he has a point.

"I'm going to teach them and lead them" - that's why they are paying him.

So, While i hate Lebron for alot of reasons, not sure speaking the truth about his team is one of them. If Rondo had said the above, the board would be all about how he is focused and stepping up as a vocal leader.

[Celtics4ever]

So do people think KI is a guard than Rondo?   I think Rondo is a better passer and defender.   KI can shoot better though, hands down and as a result score more.

If folks do not know LeBron is all about him then they have not followed LBJ.

[Csfan1984]

Maybe if it was Rondo and AB for Irving and fillers.

Cavs would love the passing and D upgrades.

[Quetzalcoatl]

I love that Lebron essentially took a night off against Portland, refusing to shoot the ball to teach his teammates a lesson, and Kyrie is considered the immature one.

I've been on rec league teams where we have someone incredibly talented that obviously deserves to take a lot of shots, but that person would be so entitled about it that it really poisoned the team atmosphere.  I have been on other rec league teams where we have someone equally talented and equally deserving of the ball, where that person cares way more about winning than how they come off. 

I play so much better on the latter team than the former, which is of course a totally obvious statement.  Pro and rec league are obviously miles apart, but imagine if your entire livelihood depends on your performance in games and one player is going around acting like this.  Imagine the entire country following your team and expecting you to be good while you are putting up the worst stat lines of your career and losing a bunch.  There is no way they are taking the title this year if LeBron doesn't act like a man and get over himself a little.  His teammates will start acting hesitant every play pretty soon.  Dude loves himself just a little too much.