Drama in Cleveland, Opportunity for a trade

[Rodan45]

http://www.businessinsider.com/dion-waiters-on-cavaliers-role-2014-11


As the link above details Dion isn't fitting into the system. It also doesn't help that Irving isn't a true point guard. A trade of Rondo for Dion seems like something they would jump all over, but I'm not sure how great it is for us considering Dion doesn't like playing defense.

I can see something here, but not sure what. Anyone have any thoughts?

[Donoghus]

I'll reiterate what I've been saying on these boards for quite some time now;

I never want Dion Waiters anywhere near the Celtics.  And certainly not in a deal that gets rid of Rajon Rondo.

Waiters is a "me-first" type gunner who does very little to make those around him any better. 

[crownsy]

I wouldn't trade Rondo for a gunner Guard who doesn't play defense.  It's not a bad thought, but in addition to it being way to early for Clev to look at trades, he prefers to have the ball in his hands and play pick and roll, and look to score. He's not a great player in transition either, he prefers the half court.

We have to many guards already, and iso pick and rolls with no defense played don't really fit our system.  I would take him if he were cheap, but not for Rondo.

[kozlodoev]

Rondo for Irving, maybe. Rondo for Waiters, move along citizens.

[CFAN38]

The only way I want waiters on this team is if their is a major roster overhaul.

He would be a nice fit in a post Rondo team as the 3rd guard behind Smart and AB. This would work if Rondo was traded for a player or pick that becomes a starting center. Then KO and Waiters become the first two bench players. A Rondo for Waiters swap makes little sense.

[Rodan45]

I wouldn't trade Rondo for a gunner Guard who doesn't play defense.  It's not a bad thought, but in addition to it being way to early for Clev to look at trades, he prefers to have the ball in his hands and play pick and roll, and look to score. He's not a great player in transition either, he prefers the half court.

We have to many guards already, and iso pick and rolls with no defense played don't really fit our system.  I would take him if he were cheap, but not for Rondo.

How would you feel about Evan turner and a future first?

[Tr1boy]

I'll reiterate what I've been saying on these boards for quite some time now;

I never want Dion Waiters anywhere near the Celtics.  And certainly not in a deal that gets rid of Rajon Rondo.

Waiters is a "me-first" type gunner who does very little to make those around him any better.

We are missing a "gunner" type. Waiters passes more than you think.

I would be happy to get him. He is shooting 7 -8 shots and should be shooting 13-15 shots. He might start at 3-8 but end up 8 -16. He can get hot and was clutch for syracuse. Big game player. He gets very chance to play his game bc of hot dog irving. And now with lebron, love its even worse

Defense is not as bad as ppl say also.


To cavs: bass, rondo (give him a chance to get another ring)
To celtics:  thompson , waiters, future 1st

[Rodan45]

The only way I want waiters on this team is if their is a major roster overhaul.

He would be a nice fit in a post Rondo team as the 3rd guard behind Smart and AB. This would work if Rondo was traded for a player or pick that becomes a starting center. Then KO and Waiters become the first two bench players. A Rondo for Waiters swap makes little sense.

Completely agree, I wasn't implying a straight up swap of players, just that there is something here that might be a deal in the future centered around the two players. I think it's fair to say Cleveland would have to give up more assets, I just don't know which, or if they would make sense.

[Donoghus]

I'll reiterate what I've been saying on these boards for quite some time now;

I never want Dion Waiters anywhere near the Celtics.  And certainly not in a deal that gets rid of Rajon Rondo.

Waiters is a "me-first" type gunner who does very little to make those around him any better.

We are missing a "gunner" type. Waiters passes more than you think.

I would be happy to get him. He is shooting 7 -8 shots and should be shooting 13-15 shots. He might start at 3-8 but end up 8 -16. He can get hot and was clutch for syracuse. Big game player. He gets very chance to play his game bc of hot dog irving. And now with lebron, love its even worse

Defense is not as bad as ppl say also.


To cavs: bass, rondo (give him a chance to get another ring)
To celtics:  thompson , waiters, future 1st

Why am I not surprised you'd be on board with this.

[D.o.s.]

Triboy your posts are devolving into parodies of themselves. There's no way you're really suggesting Rondo for Waiters.

[Tr1boy]

Triboy your posts are devolving into parodies of themselves. There's no way you're really suggesting Rondo for Waiters.

I guess thompson is a nobody.

[Rondo2287]

Waiters didn't start on a Syracuse team that fell apart in the postseason when fab melo went down.

[Tr1boy]

I'll reiterate what I've been saying on these boards for quite some time now;

I never want Dion Waiters anywhere near the Celtics.  And certainly not in a deal that gets rid of Rajon Rondo.

Waiters is a "me-first" type gunner who does very little to make those around him any better.

We are missing a "gunner" type. Waiters passes more than you think.

I would be happy to get him. He is shooting 7 -8 shots and should be shooting 13-15 shots. He might start at 3-8 but end up 8 -16. He can get hot and was clutch for syracuse. Big game player. He gets very chance to play his game bc of hot dog irving. And now with lebron, love its even worse

Defense is not as bad as ppl say also.


To cavs: bass, rondo (give him a chance to get another ring)
To celtics:  thompson , waiters, future 1st

Why am I not surprised you'd be on board with this.

Not only on board, i predict there is a good chance a trade like this goes down.
 
Cavs willing to trade all their young assets except irving to try to win a championship for lebron.

[crownsy]

I'll reiterate what I've been saying on these boards for quite some time now;

I never want Dion Waiters anywhere near the Celtics.  And certainly not in a deal that gets rid of Rajon Rondo.

Waiters is a "me-first" type gunner who does very little to make those around him any better.

We are missing a "gunner" type. Waiters passes more than you think.

I would be happy to get him. He is shooting 7 -8 shots and should be shooting 13-15 shots. He might start at 3-8 but end up 8 -16. He can get hot and was clutch for syracuse. Big game player. He gets very chance to play his game bc of hot dog irving. And now with lebron, love its even worse

Defense is not as bad as ppl say also.


To cavs: bass, rondo (give him a chance to get another ring)
To celtics:  thompson , waiters, future 1st

We are absolutely not missing a "gunner" type. his name is Evan Turner, and he sucks in this system. 

I think you are confusing Gunner with spot up shooter in transition at the guard position. we are absolutely missing one of those. We have spot upshooters, but no one who has that pull up on the run and knock down a smooth three move down. It might be Young, we'll see as the season goes on.

But what Dion is is a Gunner. they work on some teams. Some teams offensive games revolve around a guy who can handle the ball for most of a possession, use his teammates only as picks, and find a shot. they don't work in a defensive first, fast breaking team that we are trying to build. And We already have a selfish player who doesn't get his teammates involved and doesn't play defense, but has scoring talent, and ET doesn't work in this system.

[D.o.s.]

Triboy your posts are devolving into parodies of themselves. There's no way you're really suggesting Rondo for Waiters.

I guess thompson is a nobody.

You're guessing right.