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Smart have higher chance of making the all-defensive than ROY
« on: October 31, 2014, 05:41:15 AM »

Offline mr. dee

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Who was the last great defensive player that won the ROY without proving stats especially points?

I'm sure Smart won't provide any mind-blowing stat except his steals. His shooting need some work for him to please the stat guys that gives award for the ROY and having a deep bench will not do him favor in padding his stats.

But I won't be surprised if he made the all-defensive team as a rookie.

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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2014, 06:02:36 AM »

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If he can get consistent minutes he might have an outside shot at 2nd team, though it'd still be a long shot. Looking at the recent history of the award, I don't see any rookies ever winning the distinction. Also, playing on a good team helps a lot: lots of the players who are stars or specialists for the high-profile teams (Bowen, Battier, Allen, Beverly, Butler, those types).

When Bradley was named 2nd team the Celtics still had Pierce and Garnett and at least made the playoffs. Actually, Bradley himself is still competition for the award, especially since they play for the same team and are both guards.

If not this season, Smart should definitely be an annual contender for the distinction in the future. Team success definitely affects the coach's voting, however.

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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2014, 06:15:20 AM »

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He may not be hyped as a favorite for the ROY award but there is alot of hype from his defense. Even NBA stars that played with him in the USA team and analysts were raving about it.

I don't remember Oladipo being hyped up last year as Smart is.

The hype alone could help him made it in the team.

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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2014, 09:15:49 AM »

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I think it'll be a lot harder for him to make the all defense team than the all rookie team, particularly if the Celtics stay bad and Smart gets the rookie treatment from referees.
At least a goldfish with a Lincoln Log on its back goin' across your floor to your sock drawer has a miraculous connotation to it.

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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2014, 09:46:44 AM »

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NBA roy award should be based on impact vs "stats".
Its kind of dumb that whoever has the highest ppg stat or arr top 2 or 3 are the only ones with a chance to win this award

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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2014, 10:22:52 AM »

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NBA roy award should be based on impact vs "stats".
Its kind of dumb that whoever has the highest ppg stat or arr top 2 or 3 are the only ones with a chance to win this award

How do you measure impact without stats, though?
At least a goldfish with a Lincoln Log on its back goin' across your floor to your sock drawer has a miraculous connotation to it.

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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2014, 10:23:03 AM »

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I think it'll be a lot harder for him to make the all defense team than the all rookie team, particularly if the Celtics stay bad and Smart gets the rookie treatment from referees.

Considering the respective competition for each team, that's probably one of the safest bets ever made on Celticsblog.
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2014, 10:24:01 AM »

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NBA roy award should be based on impact vs "stats".
Its kind of dumb that whoever has the highest ppg stat or arr top 2 or 3 are the only ones with a chance to win this award

How do you measure impact without stats, though?
By what national pundits rave about with the "eye test" of course!

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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2014, 10:26:28 AM »

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NBA roy award should be based on impact vs "stats".
Its kind of dumb that whoever has the highest ppg stat or arr top 2 or 3 are the only ones with a chance to win this award

How do you measure impact without stats, though?

Actually watch the games and know what you're talking about?  (the latter is where people have trouble)

Edit:  I guess an equal amount of people have trouble with the first part too.
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2014, 10:45:49 AM »

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Barring injury, I just do not see the minutes there.

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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2014, 10:51:11 AM »

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NBA roy award should be based on impact vs "stats".
Its kind of dumb that whoever has the highest ppg stat or arr top 2 or 3 are the only ones with a chance to win this award

How do you measure impact without stats, though?

Actually watch the games and know what you're talking about?  (the latter is where people have trouble)

Edit:  I guess an equal amount of people have trouble with the first part too.
People see different things though, typically what they already believe or want to believe.

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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2014, 11:00:58 AM »

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NBA roy award should be based on impact vs "stats".
Its kind of dumb that whoever has the highest ppg stat or arr top 2 or 3 are the only ones with a chance to win this award

How do you measure impact without stats, though?

Actually watch the games and know what you're talking about?  (the latter is where people have trouble)

Edit:  I guess an equal amount of people have trouble with the first part too.
People see different things though, typically what they already believe or want to believe.

But that's how I know if they know what they're talking about!

PS congrats on the 1k TPs.  Probably for the second time after the 2010 TP meltdown, but still.

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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2014, 11:03:02 AM »

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I think it'll be a lot harder for him to make the all defense team than the all rookie team, particularly if the Celtics stay bad and Smart gets the rookie treatment from referees.

Considering the respective competition for each team, that's probably one of the safest bets ever made on Celticsblog.

Even if you go by impact, rather than stats?  :D
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2014, 11:39:48 AM »

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NBA roy award should be based on impact vs "stats".
Its kind of dumb that whoever has the highest ppg stat or arr top 2 or 3 are the only ones with a chance to win this award

How do you measure impact without stats, though?

Actually watch the games and know what you're talking about?  (the latter is where people have trouble)

Edit:  I guess an equal amount of people have trouble with the first part too.
People see different things though, typically what they already believe or want to believe.

But that's how I know if they know what they're talking about!

PS congrats on the 1k TPs.  Probably for the second time after the 2010 TP meltdown, but still.
What is this 2010 you speak of? Never heard of it.

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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2014, 03:08:36 PM »

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I wouldn't be surprised if Smart made all defensive 2nd team and all-rookie 1st/2nd team his first year in.  I don't believe he has a shot at ROTY however as he just doesn't have the offensive game to impress.

I still like what I'm seeing from Smart so far though.  If Rondo leaves, and hopefully that won't happen (unless we get a stud in return), we have a very good backup plan in place.