What would it take for us to acquire Marc Gasol?

[Beat LA]

I hate to rain on your parade here, but if Gasol goes anywhere next season it's likely to be the Knicks because of Phil and the triangle offense, for which he is PERFECTLY suited.  I'm sure that consulting with Pau would help to facilitate such a move.  Sorry, guys, but he's not coming to Boston.  No one is.  Sigh.  Have we learned nothing from history haha?

I haven't, please illustrate me what I've missed in history, I'd appreciate specifics.

Thanks, it'll be great help.

please educate me as well

Pretty sure he is talking about free agency (correct me if I'm wrong) in which case what we've learned from history is that the Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency began. I mean, when James Posey is arguably your best addition via free agency that's not saying much.

Which is why I wanted specifics if possible... you know "Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency" is too generalized for me.

there'll never be any specific cases provided though.  C's have never had the cap money to make a run at a top FA.  that's the small fact that jams up their argument but that won't stop some people from clinging to that belief.

It's not just traditional free agency that we're talking about here, though, because there have also been a number of instances where we nearly traded for a guy, only for the deal to fall through in part because CP3, Kevin Love, and Dwight Howard (Danny tried to acquire him before he went to the Lakers iirc), wouldn't agree to an extension after their respective deals were up.  Don't ask me why no one ever wants to come here, btw, because I'm stumped. 

[Beat LA]

I hate to rain on your parade here, but if Gasol goes anywhere next season it's likely to be the Knicks because of Phil and the triangle offense, for which he is PERFECTLY suited.  I'm sure that consulting with Pau would help to facilitate such a move.  Sorry, guys, but he's not coming to Boston.  No one is.  Sigh.  Have we learned nothing from history haha?

I haven't, please illustrate me what I've missed in history, I'd appreciate specifics.

Thanks, it'll be great help.

please educate me as well

Pretty sure he is talking about free agency (correct me if I'm wrong) in which case what we've learned from history is that the Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency began. I mean, when James Posey is arguably your best addition via free agency that's not saying much.

Which is why I wanted specifics if possible... you know "Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency" is too generalized for me.

there'll never be any specific cases provided though.  C's have never had the cap money to make a run at a top FA.  that's the small fact that jams up their argument but that won't stop some people from clinging to that belief.

I just wanted to send them on a fool's errand.

What more specifics are you looking for? There aren't any examples to provide because we've never signed a big name free agent... Regardless of if we've had cap space or worked out a sign and trade for a free agent.

James Posey? Dana Barros? Dominique Wilkins? Xavier MacDaniels? Pervis Ellison? Jermaine Oneal? Rasheed Wallace? Sam Cassell? Travis Knight? Evan Turner?

I don't really know what other specifics can be said here.

Does Sam Cassell really count, though?  I tend to view that more as an in-season, buyout type of transaction.  All I'm saying is that it's not quite the same situation, is it?  Posey and Sheed were great signings, though.  My only question in regards to the group of guys you've got there is what was the rationale behind signing Dominique?  I wasn't watching at that time, and if I had been, I doubt that I would remember it like the long-time fans on here, but didn't the front office see who was going to be in the 95 draft?  Bird and McHale had both retired, Reggie had passed away, and Parish left for Charlotte - we didn't exactly have even the slightest bit of direction, and that class alone had Stackhouse, Garnett, McDyess, Sheed, and Finley.  Why didn't we put the onus on getting a good draft pick?  Was it because that was the last year of the Garden , which should never have been torn down?  I'm just trying to figure out the logic, or lack therof, behind the signing of 'Nique.  Any thoughts?

[BudweiserCeltic]

I hate to rain on your parade here, but if Gasol goes anywhere next season it's likely to be the Knicks because of Phil and the triangle offense, for which he is PERFECTLY suited.  I'm sure that consulting with Pau would help to facilitate such a move.  Sorry, guys, but he's not coming to Boston.  No one is.  Sigh.  Have we learned nothing from history haha?

I haven't, please illustrate me what I've missed in history, I'd appreciate specifics.

Thanks, it'll be great help.

please educate me as well

Pretty sure he is talking about free agency (correct me if I'm wrong) in which case what we've learned from history is that the Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency began. I mean, when James Posey is arguably your best addition via free agency that's not saying much.

Which is why I wanted specifics if possible... you know "Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency" is too generalized for me.

there'll never be any specific cases provided though.  C's have never had the cap money to make a run at a top FA.  that's the small fact that jams up their argument but that won't stop some people from clinging to that belief.

It's not just traditional free agency that we're talking about here, though, because there have also been a number of instances where we nearly traded for a guy, only for the deal to fall through in part because CP3, Kevin Love, and Dwight Howard (Danny tried to acquire him before he went to the Lakers iirc), wouldn't agree to an extension after their respective deals were up.  Don't ask me why no one ever wants to come here, btw, because I'm stumped. 

Sorry, but what you're saying is landing a bit on the "making crap up" side of things.

[obnoxiousmime]

I hate to rain on your parade here, but if Gasol goes anywhere next season it's likely to be the Knicks because of Phil and the triangle offense, for which he is PERFECTLY suited.  I'm sure that consulting with Pau would help to facilitate such a move.  Sorry, guys, but he's not coming to Boston.  No one is.  Sigh.  Have we learned nothing from history haha?

I haven't, please illustrate me what I've missed in history, I'd appreciate specifics.

Thanks, it'll be great help.

please educate me as well

Pretty sure he is talking about free agency (correct me if I'm wrong) in which case what we've learned from history is that the Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency began. I mean, when James Posey is arguably your best addition via free agency that's not saying much.

Which is why I wanted specifics if possible... you know "Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency" is too generalized for me.

there'll never be any specific cases provided though.  C's have never had the cap money to make a run at a top FA.  that's the small fact that jams up their argument but that won't stop some people from clinging to that belief.

I just wanted to send them on a fool's errand.

What more specifics are you looking for? There aren't any examples to provide because we've never signed a big name free agent... Regardless of if we've had cap space or worked out a sign and trade for a free agent.

James Posey? Dana Barros? Dominique Wilkins? Xavier MacDaniels? Pervis Ellison? Jermaine Oneal? Rasheed Wallace? Sam Cassell? Travis Knight? Evan Turner?

I don't really know what other specifics can be said here.

Does Sam Cassell really count, though?  I tend to view that more as an in-season, buyout type of transaction.  All I'm saying is that it's not quite the same situation, is it?  Posey and Sheed were great signings, though.  My only question in regards to the group of guys you've got there is what was the rationale behind signing Dominique?  I wasn't watching at that time, and if I had been, I doubt that I would remember it like the long-time fans on here, but didn't the front office see who was going to be in the 95 draft?  Bird and McHale had both retired, Reggie had passed away, and Parish left for Charlotte - we didn't exactly have even the slightest bit of direction, and that class alone had Stackhouse, Garnett, McDyess, Sheed, and Finley.  Why didn't we put the onus on getting a good draft pick?  Was it because that was the last year of the Garden , which should never have been torn down?  I'm just trying to figure out the logic, or lack therof, behind the signing of 'Nique.  Any thoughts?

I was pretty young back then so I don't remember, but my guess is basically the Celtics could not attract any free agents and, under that ownership (Gaston) were more than willing to sign past-their-prime lesser stars just to put an average product out there and sell tickets. Xavier McDaniel, Wilkins, and Vin Baker would fall under this category.

Ugh, Wilkins was 35 at the time of the deal. Hey Celtics fans, remember how great Nique was in the 88 playoffs? We got him! Call the ticket office today!

[Beat LA]

I hate to rain on your parade here, but if Gasol goes anywhere next season it's likely to be the Knicks because of Phil and the triangle offense, for which he is PERFECTLY suited.  I'm sure that consulting with Pau would help to facilitate such a move.  Sorry, guys, but he's not coming to Boston.  No one is.  Sigh.  Have we learned nothing from history haha?

I haven't, please illustrate me what I've missed in history, I'd appreciate specifics.

Thanks, it'll be great help.

please educate me as well

Pretty sure he is talking about free agency (correct me if I'm wrong) in which case what we've learned from history is that the Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency began. I mean, when James Posey is arguably your best addition via free agency that's not saying much.

Which is why I wanted specifics if possible... you know "Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency" is too generalized for me.

there'll never be any specific cases provided though.  C's have never had the cap money to make a run at a top FA.  that's the small fact that jams up their argument but that won't stop some people from clinging to that belief.

It's not just traditional free agency that we're talking about here, though, because there have also been a number of instances where we nearly traded for a guy, only for the deal to fall through in part because CP3, Kevin Love, and Dwight Howard (Danny tried to acquire him before he went to the Lakers iirc), wouldn't agree to an extension after their respective deals were up.  Don't ask me why no one ever wants to come here, btw, because I'm stumped. 

Sorry, but what you're saying is landing a bit on the "making crap up" side of things.

How am I making crap up?  It was reported at the time of each of those possible deals that those guys wouldn't guarantee that they would sign with Boston long-term.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I hate to rain on your parade here, but if Gasol goes anywhere next season it's likely to be the Knicks because of Phil and the triangle offense, for which he is PERFECTLY suited.  I'm sure that consulting with Pau would help to facilitate such a move.  Sorry, guys, but he's not coming to Boston.  No one is.  Sigh.  Have we learned nothing from history haha?

I haven't, please illustrate me what I've missed in history, I'd appreciate specifics.

Thanks, it'll be great help.

please educate me as well

Pretty sure he is talking about free agency (correct me if I'm wrong) in which case what we've learned from history is that the Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency began. I mean, when James Posey is arguably your best addition via free agency that's not saying much.

Which is why I wanted specifics if possible... you know "Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency" is too generalized for me.

there'll never be any specific cases provided though.  C's have never had the cap money to make a run at a top FA.  that's the small fact that jams up their argument but that won't stop some people from clinging to that belief.

It's not just traditional free agency that we're talking about here, though, because there have also been a number of instances where we nearly traded for a guy, only for the deal to fall through in part because CP3, Kevin Love, and Dwight Howard (Danny tried to acquire him before he went to the Lakers iirc), wouldn't agree to an extension after their respective deals were up.  Don't ask me why no one ever wants to come here, btw, because I'm stumped. 

Sorry, but what you're saying is landing a bit on the "making crap up" side of things.

How am I making crap up?  It was reported at the time of each of those possible deals that those guys wouldn't guarantee that they would sign with Boston long-term.

I don't know about Kevin Love who seems to have a *wink* *wink* deal with Cleveland and pretty much the sole reason being LeBron James, not the team (and he wasn't guaranteeing an extension anywhere else either, in fact he was adamant that he was going to hit free-agency).

But focusing on Chris Paul and Dwight Howard as not "guaranteeing they would sign in Boston long-term" is a complete non-factor considering that they said the same about other teams as well. In fact, isn't it hilarious that Dwight actually went to this awesome franchise known as the L.A. Lakers only to not extend with them and go to Houston instead the next free-agency?

As for Chris Paul he ended up resigning with the Clippers, but he didn't guaranteed anything there as well.

So bringing this up as "evidence" is complete nonsense, particularly with the seeming allusion you want to parallel as it being a consequence of a dislike for Boston or such.

[Beat LA]

I hate to rain on your parade here, but if Gasol goes anywhere next season it's likely to be the Knicks because of Phil and the triangle offense, for which he is PERFECTLY suited.  I'm sure that consulting with Pau would help to facilitate such a move.  Sorry, guys, but he's not coming to Boston.  No one is.  Sigh.  Have we learned nothing from history haha?

I haven't, please illustrate me what I've missed in history, I'd appreciate specifics.

Thanks, it'll be great help.

please educate me as well

Pretty sure he is talking about free agency (correct me if I'm wrong) in which case what we've learned from history is that the Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency began. I mean, when James Posey is arguably your best addition via free agency that's not saying much.

Which is why I wanted specifics if possible... you know "Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency" is too generalized for me.

there'll never be any specific cases provided though.  C's have never had the cap money to make a run at a top FA.  that's the small fact that jams up their argument but that won't stop some people from clinging to that belief.

I just wanted to send them on a fool's errand.

What more specifics are you looking for? There aren't any examples to provide because we've never signed a big name free agent... Regardless of if we've had cap space or worked out a sign and trade for a free agent.

James Posey? Dana Barros? Dominique Wilkins? Xavier MacDaniels? Pervis Ellison? Jermaine Oneal? Rasheed Wallace? Sam Cassell? Travis Knight? Evan Turner?

I don't really know what other specifics can be said here.

Does Sam Cassell really count, though?  I tend to view that more as an in-season, buyout type of transaction.  All I'm saying is that it's not quite the same situation, is it?  Posey and Sheed were great signings, though.  My only question in regards to the group of guys you've got there is what was the rationale behind signing Dominique?  I wasn't watching at that time, and if I had been, I doubt that I would remember it like the long-time fans on here, but didn't the front office see who was going to be in the 95 draft?  Bird and McHale had both retired, Reggie had passed away, and Parish left for Charlotte - we didn't exactly have even the slightest bit of direction, and that class alone had Stackhouse, Garnett, McDyess, Sheed, and Finley.  Why didn't we put the onus on getting a good draft pick?  Was it because that was the last year of the Garden , which should never have been torn down?  I'm just trying to figure out the logic, or lack therof, behind the signing of 'Nique.  Any thoughts?

I was pretty young back then so I don't remember, but my guess is basically the Celtics could not attract any free agents and, under that ownership (Gaston) were more than willing to sign past-their-prime lesser stars just to put an average product out there and sell tickets. Xavier McDaniel, Wilkins, and Vin Baker would fall under this category.

Ugh, Wilkins was 35 at the time of the deal. Hey Celtics fans, remember how great Nique was in the 88 playoffs? We got him! Call the ticket office today!

Xavier McDaniel was signed in 92, but he should have re-signed with the Knicks.  Letting X go and trading Mark Jackson for Doc and Charles Smith was monumentally stupid.  Epic fail .  I've watched those games on youtube, so that obviously makes me an expert (sarcasm), and that 92 Knicks team didn't need a lot more to beat Chicago.  Trade Oakley for AC Green (who would have been a much better match up with Horace Grant due to his size, speed, defense, athleticism, and shooting ability, plus his championship experience.  Magic had just retired and the Lakers weren't going anywhere, and Green was no longer a focal point of their team, anyway, so why not?), re-sign Trent Tucker (which should have been done once he was waived by Phoenix in 1991, I believe.  Come to think of it, why didn't we sign him?  He would have been a nice guy to have off of the bench, imo), keep Gerald Wilkins (but maybe have him defend Pippen instead.  That's a good match up on both ends for New York, imo), and get rid of Greg Anthony.  Trading Mo Cheeks prior to the 91-92 season was stupid, too.  He would have helped a lot with handling the Bulls' traps.  Okay, tangent over

As for Nique, yeah, that was dumb.  First of all, why he was traded by Atlanta is beyond me, especially given how well the Hawks were doing at the time of the transaction.  Plus, why would he want to come here?  Wouldn't he rather be a contributor on a contender?  Hello, the Knicks needed at least another go-to guy beside Ewing, and Dominique was an assassin.  Just a thought.  I know that I sound like a broken record. 

Also, the Knicks should have signed Bernard King when he was waived by the Bullets in 92-93.  He could still play, and his toughness, passing, and scoring ability could have been Aguirre-like off the bench.  We all know how great King was, and, again, he was an assassin.  Wouldn't that have been a perfect ending to his career?  Even if they had still lost to the Bulls, at least BK would have finally gotten a chance to play in the ECF, and against the best.  Well, it makes sense to me lol .

[BASS_THUMPER]

Xavier McDaniel
vs
Bernard King

these two in their prime would be the best UFC match of the decade

[Beat LA]

I hate to rain on your parade here, but if Gasol goes anywhere next season it's likely to be the Knicks because of Phil and the triangle offense, for which he is PERFECTLY suited.  I'm sure that consulting with Pau would help to facilitate such a move.  Sorry, guys, but he's not coming to Boston.  No one is.  Sigh.  Have we learned nothing from history haha?

I haven't, please illustrate me what I've missed in history, I'd appreciate specifics.

Thanks, it'll be great help.

please educate me as well

Pretty sure he is talking about free agency (correct me if I'm wrong) in which case what we've learned from history is that the Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency began. I mean, when James Posey is arguably your best addition via free agency that's not saying much.

Which is why I wanted specifics if possible... you know "Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency" is too generalized for me.

there'll never be any specific cases provided though.  C's have never had the cap money to make a run at a top FA.  that's the small fact that jams up their argument but that won't stop some people from clinging to that belief.

It's not just traditional free agency that we're talking about here, though, because there have also been a number of instances where we nearly traded for a guy, only for the deal to fall through in part because CP3, Kevin Love, and Dwight Howard (Danny tried to acquire him before he went to the Lakers iirc), wouldn't agree to an extension after their respective deals were up.  Don't ask me why no one ever wants to come here, btw, because I'm stumped. 

Sorry, but what you're saying is landing a bit on the "making crap up" side of things.

How am I making crap up?  It was reported at the time of each of those possible deals that those guys wouldn't guarantee that they would sign with Boston long-term.

I don't know about Kevin Love who seems to have a *wink* *wink* deal with Cleveland and pretty much the sole reason being LeBron James, not the team (and he wasn't guaranteeing an extension anywhere else either, in fact he was adamant that he was going to hit free-agency).

But focusing on Chris Paul and Dwight Howard as not "guaranteeing they would sign in Boston long-term" is a complete non-factor considering that they said the same about other teams as well. In fact, isn't it hilarious that Dwight actually went to this awesome franchise known as the L.A. Lakers only to not extend with them and go to Houston instead the next free-agency?

As for Chris Paul he ended up resigning with the Clippers, but he didn't guaranteed anything there as well.

So bringing this up as "evidence" is complete nonsense, particularly with the seeming allusion you want to parallel as it being a consequence of a dislike for Boston or such.

Yeah, it was, and I loved every moment of it.  Serves them right, as far as I'm concerned

As for the rest, like Chris Paul, location matters to these guys, as many of them live there in the offseason.  Everyone seems to love LA, and, coupled with playing with Blake Griffin, the opportunity to wrestle LA from the Lakers and put the Clippers on the map seemed to appeal to CP3 more than Boston, which, honestly, is fine by me

Love will resign with Cleveland next year, and even if he had hit free agency, Boston would never have even been on his list of possible destinations.  I don't see how you think it's, "complete nonsense," when the Celtics have NEVER signed a big name free agent, but you don't have to take my word for it .  Go ask Bob Ryan.  Go ask Jackie Macmullan, even though she seems to hate Rondo lol.  They'll both tell you the same thing - Boston is just not, and has never been, an attractive destination for free agents.  I'm sorry if that dampens the mood around here, but I thought that this was accepted as common knowledge or fact throughout the fan-base.

[Beat LA]

Xavier McDaniel
vs
Bernard King

these two in their prime would be the best UFC match of the decade

What about Oakley and Mason lol?

[BudweiserCeltic]

I hate to rain on your parade here, but if Gasol goes anywhere next season it's likely to be the Knicks because of Phil and the triangle offense, for which he is PERFECTLY suited.  I'm sure that consulting with Pau would help to facilitate such a move.  Sorry, guys, but he's not coming to Boston.  No one is.  Sigh.  Have we learned nothing from history haha?

I haven't, please illustrate me what I've missed in history, I'd appreciate specifics.

Thanks, it'll be great help.

please educate me as well

Pretty sure he is talking about free agency (correct me if I'm wrong) in which case what we've learned from history is that the Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency began. I mean, when James Posey is arguably your best addition via free agency that's not saying much.

Which is why I wanted specifics if possible... you know "Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency" is too generalized for me.

there'll never be any specific cases provided though.  C's have never had the cap money to make a run at a top FA.  that's the small fact that jams up their argument but that won't stop some people from clinging to that belief.

It's not just traditional free agency that we're talking about here, though, because there have also been a number of instances where we nearly traded for a guy, only for the deal to fall through in part because CP3, Kevin Love, and Dwight Howard (Danny tried to acquire him before he went to the Lakers iirc), wouldn't agree to an extension after their respective deals were up.  Don't ask me why no one ever wants to come here, btw, because I'm stumped. 

Sorry, but what you're saying is landing a bit on the "making crap up" side of things.

How am I making crap up?  It was reported at the time of each of those possible deals that those guys wouldn't guarantee that they would sign with Boston long-term.

I don't know about Kevin Love who seems to have a *wink* *wink* deal with Cleveland and pretty much the sole reason being LeBron James, not the team (and he wasn't guaranteeing an extension anywhere else either, in fact he was adamant that he was going to hit free-agency).

But focusing on Chris Paul and Dwight Howard as not "guaranteeing they would sign in Boston long-term" is a complete non-factor considering that they said the same about other teams as well. In fact, isn't it hilarious that Dwight actually went to this awesome franchise known as the L.A. Lakers only to not extend with them and go to Houston instead the next free-agency?

As for Chris Paul he ended up resigning with the Clippers, but he didn't guaranteed anything there as well.

So bringing this up as "evidence" is complete nonsense, particularly with the seeming allusion you want to parallel as it being a consequence of a dislike for Boston or such.

Yeah, it was, and I loved every moment of it.  Serves them right, as far as I'm concerned

As for the rest, like Chris Paul, location matters to these guys, as many of them live there in the offseason.  Everyone seems to love LA, and, coupled with playing with Blake Griffin, the opportunity to wrestle LA from the Lakers and put the Clippers on the map seemed to appeal to CP3 more than Boston, which, honestly, is fine by me

Love will resign with Cleveland next year, and even if he had hit free agency, Boston would never have even been on his list of possible destinations.  I don't see how you think it's, "complete nonsense," when the Celtics have NEVER signed a big name free agent, but you don't have to take my word for it .  Go ask Bob Ryan.  Go ask Jackie Macmullan, even though she seems to hate Rondo lol.  They'll both tell you the same thing - Boston is just not, and has never been, an attractive destination for free agents.  I'm sorry if that dampens the mood around here, but I thought that this was accepted as common knowledge or fact throughout the fan-base.

Sorry, but you're a lost cause here. I don't know if it's that you don't understand how the CBA works or you're having trouble understanding that we had no means to sign a big free-agent, but you keep repeating things that are not evidence and completely inconsequential.

Find me the last time the Celtics had cap room and what players they targeted. You do that much, and we can go from there. But until then, this whole "Celtics have NEVER signed a big name free agent" argument is completely without merit.

Basically your argument boils down to "See, the Celtics in 2014 didn't sign LeBron James despite not having cap space to do so. This absolutely means that the Celtics can't sign big name free-agents" and then apply that reasoning throughout the years.

[BballTim]

I hate to rain on your parade here, but if Gasol goes anywhere next season it's likely to be the Knicks because of Phil and the triangle offense, for which he is PERFECTLY suited.  I'm sure that consulting with Pau would help to facilitate such a move.  Sorry, guys, but he's not coming to Boston.  No one is.  Sigh.  Have we learned nothing from history haha?

I haven't, please illustrate me what I've missed in history, I'd appreciate specifics.

Thanks, it'll be great help.

please educate me as well

Pretty sure he is talking about free agency (correct me if I'm wrong) in which case what we've learned from history is that the Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency began. I mean, when James Posey is arguably your best addition via free agency that's not saying much.

Which is why I wanted specifics if possible... you know "Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency" is too generalized for me.

there'll never be any specific cases provided though.  C's have never had the cap money to make a run at a top FA.  that's the small fact that jams up their argument but that won't stop some people from clinging to that belief.

It's not just traditional free agency that we're talking about here, though, because there have also been a number of instances where we nearly traded for a guy, only for the deal to fall through in part because CP3, Kevin Love, and Dwight Howard (Danny tried to acquire him before he went to the Lakers iirc), wouldn't agree to an extension after their respective deals were up.  Don't ask me why no one ever wants to come here, btw, because I'm stumped. 

Sorry, but what you're saying is landing a bit on the "making crap up" side of things.

How am I making crap up?  It was reported at the time of each of those possible deals that those guys wouldn't guarantee that they would sign with Boston long-term.

  I don't recall any of Love/CP/Howard as close to done deals that fell apart because the player wouldn't agree to stay in Boston. The only deal that would fall into that category was KG, who came here a month or two later.

[Beat LA]

I hate to rain on your parade here, but if Gasol goes anywhere next season it's likely to be the Knicks because of Phil and the triangle offense, for which he is PERFECTLY suited.  I'm sure that consulting with Pau would help to facilitate such a move.  Sorry, guys, but he's not coming to Boston.  No one is.  Sigh.  Have we learned nothing from history haha?

I haven't, please illustrate me what I've missed in history, I'd appreciate specifics.

Thanks, it'll be great help.

please educate me as well

Pretty sure he is talking about free agency (correct me if I'm wrong) in which case what we've learned from history is that the Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency began. I mean, when James Posey is arguably your best addition via free agency that's not saying much.

Which is why I wanted specifics if possible... you know "Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency" is too generalized for me.

there'll never be any specific cases provided though.  C's have never had the cap money to make a run at a top FA.  that's the small fact that jams up their argument but that won't stop some people from clinging to that belief.

It's not just traditional free agency that we're talking about here, though, because there have also been a number of instances where we nearly traded for a guy, only for the deal to fall through in part because CP3, Kevin Love, and Dwight Howard (Danny tried to acquire him before he went to the Lakers iirc), wouldn't agree to an extension after their respective deals were up.  Don't ask me why no one ever wants to come here, btw, because I'm stumped. 

Sorry, but what you're saying is landing a bit on the "making crap up" side of things.

How am I making crap up?  It was reported at the time of each of those possible deals that those guys wouldn't guarantee that they would sign with Boston long-term.

I don't know about Kevin Love who seems to have a *wink* *wink* deal with Cleveland and pretty much the sole reason being LeBron James, not the team (and he wasn't guaranteeing an extension anywhere else either, in fact he was adamant that he was going to hit free-agency).

But focusing on Chris Paul and Dwight Howard as not "guaranteeing they would sign in Boston long-term" is a complete non-factor considering that they said the same about other teams as well. In fact, isn't it hilarious that Dwight actually went to this awesome franchise known as the L.A. Lakers only to not extend with them and go to Houston instead the next free-agency?

As for Chris Paul he ended up resigning with the Clippers, but he didn't guaranteed anything there as well.

So bringing this up as "evidence" is complete nonsense, particularly with the seeming allusion you want to parallel as it being a consequence of a dislike for Boston or such.

Yeah, it was, and I loved every moment of it.  Serves them right, as far as I'm concerned

As for the rest, like Chris Paul, location matters to these guys, as many of them live there in the offseason.  Everyone seems to love LA, and, coupled with playing with Blake Griffin, the opportunity to wrestle LA from the Lakers and put the Clippers on the map seemed to appeal to CP3 more than Boston, which, honestly, is fine by me

Love will resign with Cleveland next year, and even if he had hit free agency, Boston would never have even been on his list of possible destinations.  I don't see how you think it's, "complete nonsense," when the Celtics have NEVER signed a big name free agent, but you don't have to take my word for it .  Go ask Bob Ryan.  Go ask Jackie Macmullan, even though she seems to hate Rondo lol.  They'll both tell you the same thing - Boston is just not, and has never been, an attractive destination for free agents.  I'm sorry if that dampens the mood around here, but I thought that this was accepted as common knowledge or fact throughout the fan-base.

Sorry, but you're a lost cause here. I don't know if it's that you don't understand how the CBA works or you're having trouble understanding that we had no means to sign a big free-agent, but you keep repeating things that are not evidence and completely inconsequential.

Find me the last time the Celtics had cap room and what players they targeted. You do that much, and we can go from there. But until then, this whole "Celtics have NEVER signed a big name free agent" argument is completely without merit.

Basically your argument boils down to "See, the Celtics in 2014 didn't sign LeBron James despite not having cap space to do so. This absolutely means that the Celtics can't sign big name free-agents" and then apply that reasoning throughout the years.

You mad bro?

Sigh.  No, it doesn't - you've completely missed the point here.  I may not be completely familiar with all of the aspects of the new cba, but I do understand how cap space works, so thank you for insulting me (sarcasm). 

What you seem unable to comprehend is that, even if we were over the cap when we could have acquired guys like CP3, Love, and Howard, who were all expirings, the free agents' team, by virtue of the cba, can offer substantially more money to one of their own free agents if that guy decides to stay there, as opposed to a team who would be pursuing said players from the outside, so to speak, and if we can't even get guys that way, how are we to sign free agents if, or when, we actually do have cap space?

I also don't know why you're getting so worked up over this, because I'm not trying to start a fight with anyone (I'm not a troll), and there's no need for your patronizing tone, either.  It's absolutely uncalled for.  I'm done here.

[Beat LA]

I hate to rain on your parade here, but if Gasol goes anywhere next season it's likely to be the Knicks because of Phil and the triangle offense, for which he is PERFECTLY suited.  I'm sure that consulting with Pau would help to facilitate such a move.  Sorry, guys, but he's not coming to Boston.  No one is.  Sigh.  Have we learned nothing from history haha?

I haven't, please illustrate me what I've missed in history, I'd appreciate specifics.

Thanks, it'll be great help.

please educate me as well

Pretty sure he is talking about free agency (correct me if I'm wrong) in which case what we've learned from history is that the Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency began. I mean, when James Posey is arguably your best addition via free agency that's not saying much.

Which is why I wanted specifics if possible... you know "Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency" is too generalized for me.

there'll never be any specific cases provided though.  C's have never had the cap money to make a run at a top FA.  that's the small fact that jams up their argument but that won't stop some people from clinging to that belief.

It's not just traditional free agency that we're talking about here, though, because there have also been a number of instances where we nearly traded for a guy, only for the deal to fall through in part because CP3, Kevin Love, and Dwight Howard (Danny tried to acquire him before he went to the Lakers iirc), wouldn't agree to an extension after their respective deals were up.  Don't ask me why no one ever wants to come here, btw, because I'm stumped. 

Sorry, but what you're saying is landing a bit on the "making crap up" side of things.

How am I making crap up?  It was reported at the time of each of those possible deals that those guys wouldn't guarantee that they would sign with Boston long-term.

  I don't recall any of Love/CP/Howard as close to done deals that fell apart because the player wouldn't agree to stay in Boston. The only deal that would fall into that category was KG, who came here a month or two later.

It wasn't the sole reason why those deals fell apart (thank god), but it did play a significant factor - you can't deny that.  Plus, didn't they already have an extension in place for KG when he came here, because that was signed relatively quickly, iirc, after his acquisition.

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I hate to rain on your parade here, but if Gasol goes anywhere next season it's likely to be the Knicks because of Phil and the triangle offense, for which he is PERFECTLY suited.  I'm sure that consulting with Pau would help to facilitate such a move.  Sorry, guys, but he's not coming to Boston.  No one is.  Sigh.  Have we learned nothing from history haha?

I haven't, please illustrate me what I've missed in history, I'd appreciate specifics.

Thanks, it'll be great help.

please educate me as well

Pretty sure he is talking about free agency (correct me if I'm wrong) in which case what we've learned from history is that the Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency began. I mean, when James Posey is arguably your best addition via free agency that's not saying much.

Which is why I wanted specifics if possible... you know "Celtics have never really signed a big named free agent since free agency" is too generalized for me.

there'll never be any specific cases provided though.  C's have never had the cap money to make a run at a top FA.  that's the small fact that jams up their argument but that won't stop some people from clinging to that belief.

It's not just traditional free agency that we're talking about here, though, because there have also been a number of instances where we nearly traded for a guy, only for the deal to fall through in part because CP3, Kevin Love, and Dwight Howard (Danny tried to acquire him before he went to the Lakers iirc), wouldn't agree to an extension after their respective deals were up.  Don't ask me why no one ever wants to come here, btw, because I'm stumped. 

Sorry, but what you're saying is landing a bit on the "making crap up" side of things.

How am I making crap up?  It was reported at the time of each of those possible deals that those guys wouldn't guarantee that they would sign with Boston long-term.

  I don't recall any of Love/CP/Howard as close to done deals that fell apart because the player wouldn't agree to stay in Boston. The only deal that would fall into that category was KG, who came here a month or two later.

It wasn't the sole reason why those deals fell apart (thank god), but it did play a significant factor - you can't deny that.  Plus, didn't they already have an extension in place for KG when he came here, because that was signed relatively quickly, iirc, after his acquisition.

The KG deal was rejected the first time because KG didn't think he and Pierce could do serious damage in the eastern conference, and (I've heard here and elsewhere) because he didn't want to play with Wally Szczerbiak. It had nothing to do with Boston being Boston, per say.

Given the options, I'm not sure that Boston is a great free agency landing spot, but I do think it has some advantages over other, similarly situated cities -- namely the fanbase, the front office, and the ownership.