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BOS/SAC
« on: September 22, 2014, 04:02:35 PM »

Offline bostonsportsforlife

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Boston receives: PF Derrick Williams, 2015 Sacramento 2nd round pick protection reduced from top 55 to top 50

Sacramento receives: PF Brandon Bass


Boston takes a chance on yet another #2 overall bust (Evan Turner, now Williams) to see if he can turn things around. He's showed some promise at times, having some big games, shoots around 30% from 3 in his career, and could be a decent young role player. He's also a RFA at the end of the year, so if he does well, the Celtics have some control over him, and if he's just meh but not awful, could sign him to a cheap deal but have some flexibility with his bird rights. If he sucks, he can be let go free of charge. Celtics also shed about 600k in salary in the deal, and have pick protection reduced, but it probably won't ever convey to them.


Sacramento gets Bass, a consistent veteran that won't wow you, can be a nice heat check player at times, will be a solid team player, a nice midrange shooter, and is a pretty solid free throw shooter, and will get about a block a game despite not being that great of a defender. Nice role player to have for a team on the bubble of playoff contention. This will push Sacramento slightly closer to the tax line, but that can easily be resolved by waiving the unguaranteed deals of Alonzo Gee and Scotty Hopson, who they just got from Houston as salary filler, and likely aren't in their plans as they were likely acquired with the intention of freeing up space.

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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2014, 07:41:52 PM »

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I'd do it.  Nothing to lose.

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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2014, 08:04:23 PM »

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Sacramento should be asking for a pick (not necessarily a first) in that deal.
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2014, 08:39:41 PM »

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It's not a bad trade.  However, I'm not sure how motivated the Kings would be with both Thompson and Landry (assuming he's healthy) on the roster.  The Kings should really be in the market for a backup Center.

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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2014, 09:21:56 PM »

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Sacramento should be asking for a pick (not necessarily a first) in that deal.

Yeah, maybe one of the early 2nd rounders we are getting from Philly. Williams really hasn't been that bad, but he also has shown the promise of a number 2 pick. I would definitely go for it as there still is potential, but the logjam at pf would continue.

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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2014, 07:45:32 AM »

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Sacramento should be asking for a pick (not necessarily a first) in that deal.

Agreed.

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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2014, 08:55:29 AM »

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Sacramento should be asking for a pick (not necessarily a first) in that deal.

Yeah, maybe one of the early 2nd rounders we are getting from Philly. Williams really hasn't been that bad, but he also has shown the promise of a number 2 pick. I would definitely go for it as there still is potential, but the logjam at pf would continue.
disagree on the pick -- Bass is the better player.  better defender, scorer and an expiring deal.  Williams hasn't shown enough to be considered a rotation player yet.

this trade does nothing to alleviate the logjam at PF for the C's. 

While I get the idea of taking a flyer on Williams in exchange for a player that's not part of our future and is already a known quantity, I'd prefer to take a flyer on someone that plays a position of need rather than exchange Bass for someone who plays the same position.  if this deal did go down, I'd want the protection on that 2nd rounder removed completely.  No way Sac should be getting a pick in addition to Bass in this deal -- certainly not for a kid that's shown precious little on the court.

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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2014, 09:07:19 AM »

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It's not a bad trade.  However, I'm not sure how motivated the Kings would be with both Thompson and Landry (assuming he's healthy) on the roster.  The Kings should really be in the market for a backup Center.

Yea, they'd probably be more interested in Zeller to back up DMC.

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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2014, 10:06:02 AM »

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Boston takes a chance on yet another #2 overall bust (Evan Turner, now Williams) to see if he can turn things around. He's showed some promise at times, having some big games, shoots around 30% from 3 in his career, and could be a decent young role player

30% from three, Springfield here we come.  We have Green, Turner at SF, Oly and Sully at PF, what chance is he going to get on the bench?  He has played for two teams and they all thought they'd be the one who he would blossom under.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willide02.html

42% from the field, No Thanks.  He can't make two with a pencil.  I think we'd be better off to wait until a contender needs a piece like Bass than to make a trade just for the sake of making one.   Some guys are going to get cut, whoopity doo, it happens every year folks.  It will be ok.

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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2014, 10:23:15 AM »

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It's not a bad trade.  However, I'm not sure how motivated the Kings would be with both Thompson and Landry (assuming he's healthy) on the roster.  The Kings should really be in the market for a backup Center.

Yea, they'd probably be more interested in Zeller to back up DMC.
which would make it a really bad trade for us.  zeller actually plays a position of need and he's someone that could be a building block for us.  Williams, not so much.

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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2014, 01:50:06 PM »

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Sacramento should be asking for a pick (not necessarily a first) in that deal.

Yeah, maybe one of the early 2nd rounders we are getting from Philly. Williams really hasn't been that bad, but he also has shown the promise of a number 2 pick. I would definitely go for it as there still is potential, but the logjam at pf would continue.
disagree on the pick -- Bass is the better player.  better defender, scorer and an expiring deal.  Williams hasn't shown enough to be considered a rotation player yet.

this trade does nothing to alleviate the logjam at PF for the C's. 

While I get the idea of taking a flyer on Williams in exchange for a player that's not part of our future and is already a known quantity, I'd prefer to take a flyer on someone that plays a position of need rather than exchange Bass for someone who plays the same position.  if this deal did go down, I'd want the protection on that 2nd rounder removed completely.  No way Sac should be getting a pick in addition to Bass in this deal -- certainly not for a kid that's shown precious little on the court.

Bass isn't good enough to move the needle for Sacramento, he also does nothing to clear up their own PF logjam, and he removes some of their financial flexibility.  The point about his contract expiring is moot as Williams' is expiring as well.

The best compromise would be simply not asking for any picks to change hands or asking for any protection to be removed.  Straight up Bass for Williams.

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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2014, 01:59:57 PM »

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Sacramento should be asking for a pick (not necessarily a first) in that deal.

Yeah, maybe one of the early 2nd rounders we are getting from Philly. Williams really hasn't been that bad, but he also has shown the promise of a number 2 pick. I would definitely go for it as there still is potential, but the logjam at pf would continue.
disagree on the pick -- Bass is the better player.  better defender, scorer and an expiring deal.  Williams hasn't shown enough to be considered a rotation player yet.

this trade does nothing to alleviate the logjam at PF for the C's. 

While I get the idea of taking a flyer on Williams in exchange for a player that's not part of our future and is already a known quantity, I'd prefer to take a flyer on someone that plays a position of need rather than exchange Bass for someone who plays the same position.  if this deal did go down, I'd want the protection on that 2nd rounder removed completely.  No way Sac should be getting a pick in addition to Bass in this deal -- certainly not for a kid that's shown precious little on the court.

Bass isn't good enough to move the needle for Sacramento, he also does nothing to clear up their own PF logjam, and he removes some of their financial flexibility.  The point about his contract expiring is moot as Williams' is expiring as well.

The best compromise would be simply not asking for any picks to change hands or asking for any protection to be removed.  Straight up Bass for Williams.
I get what you're saying but my main point is to move Bass for someone who plays a different position (and not SG) rather than bring in an inferior player that plays the same position. 

Bass may not move the needle much for them but he could probably start for Sac whereas Williams is 3rd on the depth chart here at best.  for that much of an improvement, I don't think it's unreasonable to have the restrictions on that 2nd removed or at least modified to top 40 protected.