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Re: Gobert for James Young + future first
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2014, 07:44:09 PM »

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Honestly, if Danny did Zeller for Gobert straight up I would be so happy. We basically got Zeller from thin air(tpe) and Gobert has the potential to be the best shot blocker in the league....but he also has the potential to be a backup center.

Then we draft Karl Towns.
Then we trade KO for Bruno Caboclo and a first.(only if Danny sees something, and TOR would be partial to KO because his ties with the team...imo)
Then we trade Rondo to HOU for 3-4 future picks and a very large TPE...the picks will be the pelicans protected first this coming year and the rest will be picks a few years down the road......or we do rr and Green for Paul George and fillers(if they want)

Marcus Smart
James Young
Bruno Caboblo(7'7'' wingspan...so you know he's good)lol
Karl Towns
Rudy Gobert

Also if this team can attract Anthony Davis we will have the money to throw at him with players his own age to start a dynasty.


LOL I am somewhat serious about all this. I would love to watch this team develop and have the extreme cap space to fill spots.....AND AT LEAST ITS A DIRECTION


Re: Gobert for James Young + future first
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2014, 09:15:25 PM »

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Yes, I'd do this in 5 seconds for the Clippers pick+Young.
Would Ainge? 100% because that size and length and co-ordination is pretty special.
I doubt the Jazz do it though. Would you give up a young, cost controlled monster with all that potential?... considering Enes Kanter hasn't panned out too well.

James Young projects as a poor mans Marvin Williams/Jeff Green with better 3 point shooting. He's  going to be a James Posey type player if we are lucky and he learns how to defend.

Lots of C's fans seem to think he'll be like Nic Batum or something. I seriously doubt it.
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Re: Gobert for James Young + future first
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2014, 09:40:56 PM »

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Yes, I'd do this in 5 seconds for the Clippers pick+Young.
Would Ainge? 100% because that size and length and co-ordination is pretty special.
I doubt the Jazz do it though. Would you give up a young, cost controlled monster with all that potential?... considering Enes Kanter hasn't panned out too well.

James Young projects as a poor mans Marvin Williams/Jeff Green with better 3 point shooting. He's  going to be a James Posey type player if we are lucky and he learns how to defend.

Lots of C's fans seem to think he'll be like Nic Batum or something. I seriously doubt it.

I don't see how Young could be projected for anything right now. I believe he's the second youngest pick of the draft, will have just turned 19 this summer. One year in college, where he did play pretty well, some people say he was the best player for Kentucky in the Tourney. A lot of people say if he didn't get into the car accident during work outs he may have gone around the 10th pick. While size is nice, having aggressive shooting wings.  Gobert looks good, but like Young he has a way to go before we know if the kid can actually play or not. We'll see once he gets the attention of the other bigs in the game and they decide to give him some respect and play legit D on him.

There has been a lot of guys who looked bad, but ended up being good and other that have looked good but ended up being bad. They are both young and it's still WAY up in the air.

Plus next draft has some good BIG talent, why not keep a wing and a pick and swing for one of those instead.

Re: Gobert for James Young + future first
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2014, 10:32:37 PM »

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I'd rather see Young play a bit before trading him. Seems too premature.

Re: Gobert for James Young + future first
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2014, 11:06:19 PM »

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Yes, I'd do this in 5 seconds for the Clippers pick+Young.
Would Ainge? 100% because that size and length and co-ordination is pretty special.
I doubt the Jazz do it though. Would you give up a young, cost controlled monster with all that potential?... considering Enes Kanter hasn't panned out too well.

James Young projects as a poor mans Marvin Williams/Jeff Green with better 3 point shooting. He's  going to be a James Posey type player if we are lucky and he learns how to defend.

Lots of C's fans seem to think he'll be like Nic Batum or something. I seriously doubt it.

I don't see how Young could be projected for anything right now. I believe he's the second youngest pick of the draft, will have just turned 19 this summer. One year in college, where he did play pretty well, some people say he was the best player for Kentucky in the Tourney. A lot of people say if he didn't get into the car accident during work outs he may have gone around the 10th pick. While size is nice, having aggressive shooting wings.  Gobert looks good, but like Young he has a way to go before we know if the kid can actually play or not. We'll see once he gets the attention of the other bigs in the game and they decide to give him some respect and play legit D on him.

There has been a lot of guys who looked bad, but ended up being good and other that have looked good but ended up being bad. They are both young and it's still WAY up in the air.

Plus next draft has some good BIG talent, why not keep a wing and a pick and swing for one of those instead.

You're right that Young's age makes him somewhat of an unknown. His shooting is very good for his age and he should be able to drain it at NBA three point range.
I think having a James Posey type player would be an excellent pick at 18 with Young, but I also don't want people to start having hopes that he's going to be a Jeff Green replacement. His skillset is really limited and his defense is non existent.
Great size and length and great 3 point shot but without that 3 point shot he really doesn't stand out anywhere. Athletically he's average and at the moment I don't think it's fair to be expecting more out of James Young than someone like Pietrus or James Posey- and those two guys can shoot threes AND play defense.

Gobert with his size/length and play at the recent world championships would be an easy trade for Young+a late first rounder for me.
I'd also like to see Young play but if Utah called today and offered that deal I'd have Young in a Jazz uniform before I could hang up the phone.
I think that would be an easy decision for Ainge.
Just my opinion and everyone's got one :)
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Re: Gobert for James Young + future first
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2014, 11:24:39 PM »

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Gobert with his size/length and play at the recent world championships would be an easy trade for Young+a late first rounder for me.

You mean about 5 pts and 5 boards in 16 minutes a game?  That's worth the equivalent of two first round picks?  Is somebody offering 3 first rounders for Sully?

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Re: Gobert for James Young + future first
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2014, 12:09:59 AM »

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Yes, I'd do this in 5 seconds for the Clippers pick+Young.
Would Ainge? 100% because that size and length and co-ordination is pretty special.
I doubt the Jazz do it though. Would you give up a young, cost controlled monster with all that potential?... considering Enes Kanter hasn't panned out too well.

James Young projects as a poor mans Marvin Williams/Jeff Green with better 3 point shooting. He's  going to be a James Posey type player if we are lucky and he learns how to defend.

Lots of C's fans seem to think he'll be like Nic Batum or something. I seriously doubt it.

Batum?  No way.  Personally, I agree with Jalen Rose's comparison of Young to Morris Peterson.  Hopefully, he'll develop into much more than that, but he's not even 20 yet, is he?  Are there any Gobert highlights, btw?  I haven't seen him play.

Re: Gobert for James Young + future first
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2014, 12:47:52 AM »

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Gobert with his size/length and play at the recent world championships would be an easy trade for Young+a late first rounder for me.

You mean about 5 pts and 5 boards in 16 minutes a game?  That's worth the equivalent of two first round picks?  Is somebody offering 3 first rounders for Sully?

Mike

You forgot about the rim protection/defense part. As a rookie he posted 8.6 points and 13 rebounds per 36. He played 10 minutes a game in his rookie year and held his own in the world championships against Gasol- they won that game because of his rim protection.

The kid basically had *almost* no idea on either end when he came into the league a year ago, and the strides he's made on the defensive end are drool worthy.
Again, it's only 9.6 minutes a game, but...

He had a 7.4 block percentage in 2013-14, which would have easily led the league had he qualified (Anthony Davis and Ibaka held the top spot at 6.7). Gobert's 20.6 total rebounding percentage would have trailed only Andre Drummond (22.3), Jordan (21.6) and Andrew Bogut.

Gobert also graded out as a full-fledged rim protector, not a specialist shot-blocker. Opponents shot just 41.2 percent against him at the rim, via Spor**** player tracking data provided to NBA.com, putting him on a nearly identical level as two-time All-Star Roy Hibbert (41.1).

Gobert has size, length and agility. That's a package the NBA can work with.


James Young+ a pick around #25-30 for a cost controlled 7 foot 1 monster with the same max vertical reach as DeAndre Jordan, who's also shown serious improvement in his first NBA season, is very good value.

He's still a project and his offensive game is basically like DeAndre Jordans with a poor free throw percentage (although far better shooting form), but if we want an elite rim protector next to Sullinger this guy is worth gambling on.
Just my opinion.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.