Fine I'll give into the Giannis hype. He's the next Pippin, and will lead the Bucks to multiple NBA titles. Danny once again screwed up a draft, will someone please fire him and trade Rondo while you're at it.
You're missing the point.
No one's saying Giannis is going to be Durant, but he has the most potential to be Durant.
Olynyk was a good, solid pick at #12 and he had (in my opinion) a good, solid first year for a 13th pick.
Ainge can't be criticized for not taking a 17/18 year old kid without much exposure and Olynyk was a solid pick. 99% of the replies to this thread agree that Olynyk was a good to very good pick at 13.
Had Danny gambled on Giannis though, the future of this Celtics team would be looking very interesting with a potential franchise player galloping up and down the court with Marcus Smart, rather than a safer, *fingers crossed* Ryan Anderson type prospect.
I think it would be common sense to say that the Timberwolves would have thought much longer and much harder about a potential Celtics trade package that included Jarred Sullinger and Giannis vs a Kelly Olynyk package. Fair to say?
No that's not fair to say. Flip wanted KO. Everyone knows that is who Flip liked on the Celtics if anybody at all. Flip, in the end, had his eyes on a top 3 pick as the main center piece. GA wouldn't have changed that.
And this thread (not speaking specifically to you here chambers) reminds me of the whole "grass is greener on the other side" theory. Somehow it is ok for people to say GA has Durant potential even though his shot will never be anywhere close to as good, but on the other side it is laughable to compare KO to Dirk at all even though their skill sets are similar regardless of athleticism (not like Dirk was earth shattering in this category either anyway). Weird hypocrisy/contradictions in this thread.
I see where you're coming from. I'm not sure if Flip wanted KO, but if he wanted a top 3 pick as you said yourself, Giannis is considered much closer to top 3 pick value than Kelly Olynyk.
Do you agree if the draft were done again that Giannis would go ahead of Olynyk? If so, why is that? Why does Giannis go to the top 3 and Olynyk stays where he was picked or moves up or down slightly?
It's not a hypocrisy, it's a truthful statement that Giannis is considered to have franchise player potential (which may or may not be unlocked), Kelly Olynyk does not.
It's not fair to criticize Ainge for taking Olynyk over Giannis though, not by an reasonable extent.
What would you put the odds of GA becoming a franchise player at? 1 in 2? 1 in 5? 1 in 100?
1 in 50?
Whatever it is, it's more than Olynyk.
Here's the catch...
Do you take Olynyk turning into Ryan Anderson 1 in 20 or Giannis becoming a top 10 NBA player at 1 in 50?
I don't know why you keep bringing up Ryan Anderson, though. Ryan Anderson in his career takes 50+% of his FGA from 3PT land. One of his seasons 65% of his FGA came from 3PT land. That's crazy stuff (good or bad, you be the judge). This is not Kelly Olynyk's game and is the reason why comparing him to Dirk is a much better comparison than Anderson even if you may think it is crazy to say. We aren't talking about level of performance here. I'm just talking about style, and Kelly Olynyk and Ryan Anderson are no where near each other in style. Ryan Anderson is basically non-existent from 3-23 feet for most of his career. He's finally stepped in and started taking more shots from 16-23 feet, but he's very limited. Olynyk has already shown more diversity and willingness to play all around the floor than Anderson ever has.
Olynyk will never be the kind of guy to shoot over 50% of his attempts from 3PT land. He's always going to be the kind of guy who steps out to the 3PT line occasionally (20-25% 3PAr) who tries to mix it up in-between. He is already a more versatile scorer than Ryan Anderson. He's equal or better at rebounding. Kelly's already a better passer. I doubt Olynyk is worse on defense right now either. If we are talking about Kelly becoming the level of player Ryan Anderson is? Honestly I'm not worried about that. You are completely selling Olynyk short by giving him a 1/20 chance of matching Ryan Anderson who is completely one dimensional. Olynyk is far more multi-skilled already.
Olynyk took 40% of his FGA at the rim and had a 65% FG in that area. Anderson in his rookie year also took 40% of his FGA at the rim but had a 43% FG there. The guy had to substantially drop his at rim FGA over the course of his career to bring up his FG% there because his finishing ability is not that great. I mean even this past season Anderson took 20% of his FGA at the rim but only finished at a 53% rate. That is really below average for a big man in that area. That's why he falls back all the way to the 3PT line while Olynyk can mix it up anywhere on the court.
Even if Olynyk never reaches 20 PPG like Anderson did this past season, I'd still prefer Olynyk on my team because he scores in more ways and does more than just score in general.
Ryan Anderson is irrelevant, people are using him (or at least I did) as an example of a solid starting/rotation NBA big man with mediocre/average athleticism and decent IQ who can shoot- something which Kelly Olynyk projects to be if all goes well.
A player who's ceiling will probably never be an All Star but could surprise us and could be well worth his position taken in the draft.
Anyway I don't care that we took Olynyk and I don't think he's a bust- I've defended him.... so leave me out of it lol.
I just pointed out the fact that if the draft were done again, the consensus is that Giannis goes top 3 (or higher than Olynyk). Giannis ain't no stiff, so don't burn Giannis at the sake of defending Olynyk because it taints so otherwise reasonable argument about how good Olynyk is/could be.
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