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Re: Kelly Olynyk is a Bust!! Where is all the hype coming from??
« Reply #60 on: September 15, 2014, 03:29:29 PM »

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Many people on here seems to think KO is one of the best young prospects our team have, and some even made the ridicules comparison with Dirk Nowitzki.  To me this player hasn't showed any any part of his game that stood out to me, while having many glaring weaknesses on defense and rebounding.  3pt shot is what many considers to be his best attribute but he shot 35% while making only .6 per game.  Can someone please help me understand the hype and how KO is different from a below average player like Andrea Bargnani?

Way, way, WAY too early to be making this statement. He's ready to go this year. His game takes time. Bargs played in Europe so he played with the big boys before coming here. Oly played against little kids.

Olynyk will lead the Celtics in scoring this year. Believe in that, and believe in the shield.
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Re: Kelly Olynyk is a Bust!! Where is all the hype coming from??
« Reply #61 on: September 15, 2014, 03:30:26 PM »

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What if he's a better-shooting version of Boris Diaw?  Think about it - both guys are defensive liabilities, can play inside and out (although that's not Diaw's strength), and, perhaps most importantly, they're both great passers.  Wasn't Diaw also a guard when he was younger?  I thought that I heard that somewhere.

Olynyk's height can't be underestimated.  It pushes his potential to a higher point.  Having those skills already at 7 feet is a big positive.

He reminds me of Vlade, but with range and a bit more scoring.  That's my hope at least as he keeps going.  High level passing out of a big is great in any package, but with a guy that can shoot too, it really starts opening up the floor.  In my opinion there is plenty to be optimistic about.

If he turned into Vlade, that would be awesome, but didn't Divac play in the post as well as out on the perimeter?  KO has better range, but Vlade could block shots, and was quite nimble iirc.  I'm not saying that it can't happen, but Olynyk isn't exactly a force defensively.  Of course, neither was Vlade, but you get my point, right?

It's a better comparison than Boris Diaw.
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Re: Kelly Olynyk is a Bust!! Where is all the hype coming from??
« Reply #62 on: September 15, 2014, 04:04:36 PM »

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What if he's a better-shooting version of Boris Diaw?  Think about it - both guys are defensive liabilities, can play inside and out (although that's not Diaw's strength), and, perhaps most importantly, they're both great passers.  Wasn't Diaw also a guard when he was younger?  I thought that I heard that somewhere.

Olynyk's height can't be underestimated.  It pushes his potential to a higher point.  Having those skills already at 7 feet is a big positive.

He reminds me of Vlade, but with range and a bit more scoring.  That's my hope at least as he keeps going.  High level passing out of a big is great in any package, but with a guy that can shoot too, it really starts opening up the floor.  In my opinion there is plenty to be optimistic about.

If he turned into Vlade, that would be awesome, but didn't Divac play in the post as well as out on the perimeter?  KO has better range, but Vlade could block shots, and was quite nimble iirc.  I'm not saying that it can't happen, but Olynyk isn't exactly a force defensively.  Of course, neither was Vlade, but you get my point, right?

It's a better comparison than Boris Diaw.
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Re: Kelly Olynyk is a Bust!! Where is all the hype coming from??
« Reply #63 on: September 15, 2014, 04:17:29 PM »

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Fair point, but no one has ever seriously maintained the idea, however fleeting, that a team could get away with having KO at the one.
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« Reply #64 on: September 15, 2014, 04:19:44 PM »

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KO is a pretty big bust and another blemish on Ainge's drafting record. How do you pass up on the future Superstar like the Greek Freak? How?! Then he follows that up with Marcus Banks 2.0 and James Young who will play in the D-League for two years and then head overseas to have a decent career coming off the bench in Israel.

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« Reply #65 on: September 15, 2014, 04:22:56 PM »

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KO is a pretty big bust and another blemish on Ainge's drafting record. How do you pass up on the future Superstar like the Greek Freak? How?! Then he follows that up with Marcus Banks 2.0 and James Young who will play in the D-League for two years and then head overseas to have a decent career coming off the bench in Israel.

There is no evidence that GA is going to be a superstar. None.
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« Reply #66 on: September 15, 2014, 04:24:10 PM »

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KO is a pretty big bust and another blemish on Ainge's drafting record. How do you pass up on the future Superstar like the Greek Freak? How?! Then he follows that up with Marcus Banks 2.0 and James Young who will play in the D-League for two years and then head overseas to have a decent career coming off the bench in Israel.

There is no evidence that GA is going to be a superstar. None.

He's more likely to be a bust if anything.....

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« Reply #67 on: September 15, 2014, 04:26:13 PM »

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KO is a pretty big bust and another blemish on Ainge's drafting record. How do you pass up on the future Superstar like the Greek Freak? How?! Then he follows that up with Marcus Banks 2.0 and James Young who will play in the D-League for two years and then head overseas to have a decent career coming off the bench in Israel.

"This relatively unknown quantity is really awful. But this relatively unknown quantity, although statistically worse than quantity A, is definitely going to be much better. I just feel it. Wait, you feel something different? You're wrong."

If anything, we can always trade the Olynyk to the Hawks.

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« Reply #68 on: September 15, 2014, 04:33:00 PM »

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KO is a pretty big bust and another blemish on Ainge's drafting record. How do you pass up on the future Superstar like the Greek Freak? How?! Then he follows that up with Marcus Banks 2.0 and James Young who will play in the D-League for two years and then head overseas to have a decent career coming off the bench in Israel.

How many misguided statements can their be in one paragraph?

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« Reply #69 on: September 15, 2014, 04:59:36 PM »

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Not sure what basketball you watch where 7 footers have the skills in ball handling, passing, and shooting Olynyk has on the floor.

He has a ton of potential because he already has these skills few players his size have even two of.  Does he do them at elite levels yet?  Maybe not, but I think it's clear to see him getting there very soon.

His rebounding is certainly no worse than average, and as for defense, I think he can be solid.  I don't ever see him as a plus defender, but is Dirk?  He will have weaknesses in his game.  I really like him as a super versatile big on the offensive end.

Not as good as Dirk is a bust?  That's the measurement?

As to a Sully comparison, I think Sully would be head of Olynyk right now for me but not by too much because of Olynyk's height and also how valuable bigs with his type of skills are in the NBA right now.

His game needs more quickness on both ends. Experience could give him that, knowing where to be or get too....
Overall, he can contribute

Re: Kelly Olynyk is a Bust!! Where is all the hype coming from??
« Reply #70 on: September 15, 2014, 06:06:27 PM »

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What if he's a better-shooting version of Boris Diaw?  Think about it - both guys are defensive liabilities, can play inside and out (although that's not Diaw's strength), and, perhaps most importantly, they're both great passers.  Wasn't Diaw also a guard when he was younger?  I thought that I heard that somewhere.

Olynyk's height can't be underestimated.  It pushes his potential to a higher point.  Having those skills already at 7 feet is a big positive.

He reminds me of Vlade, but with range and a bit more scoring.  That's my hope at least as he keeps going.  High level passing out of a big is great in any package, but with a guy that can shoot too, it really starts opening up the floor.  In my opinion there is plenty to be optimistic about.
You need to question your analysis anytime you compare a mediocre young player to a great retired player and the only differences you mention is what the young player is better at. That makes no sense.

How do you compare them without talking about the post game? Is passing all you considered?

I figured you can do the math.  Give yourself more credit.

Vlade is one of my favorite players of all time and yes a HOFer.

He is the only player I've seen that Olynyk reminds me of.  The match isn't exact.  I don't see why anyone shouldn't be pretty optimistic about this player.  You can not be if you want but I will be.   I'm a fan.
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Re: Kelly Olynyk is a Bust!! Where is all the hype coming from??
« Reply #71 on: September 15, 2014, 06:53:39 PM »

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What if he's a better-shooting version of Boris Diaw?  Think about it - both guys are defensive liabilities, can play inside and out (although that's not Diaw's strength), and, perhaps most importantly, they're both great passers.  Wasn't Diaw also a guard when he was younger?  I thought that I heard that somewhere.

Olynyk's height can't be underestimated.  It pushes his potential to a higher point.  Having those skills already at 7 feet is a big positive.

He reminds me of Vlade, but with range and a bit more scoring.  That's my hope at least as he keeps going.  High level passing out of a big is great in any package, but with a guy that can shoot too, it really starts opening up the floor.  In my opinion there is plenty to be optimistic about.
You need to question your analysis anytime you compare a mediocre young player to a great retired player and the only differences you mention is what the young player is better at. That makes no sense.

How do you compare them without talking about the post game? Is passing all you considered?

I figured you can do the math.  Give yourself more credit.

Vlade is one of my favorite players of all time and yes a HOFer.

He is the only player I've seen that Olynyk reminds me of.  The match isn't exact.  I don't see why anyone shouldn't be pretty optimistic about this player.  You can not be if you want but I will be.   I'm a fan.
Well, if Olynyk is Vlade with more range and scoring, I guess the math makes Olynyk a sure-fire HOF player.

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« Reply #72 on: September 15, 2014, 07:16:00 PM »

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Many people on here seems to think KO is one of the best young prospects our team have, and some even made the ridicules comparison with Dirk Nowitzki.  To me this player hasn't showed any any part of his game that stood out to me, while having many glaring weaknesses on defense and rebounding.  3pt shot is what many considers to be his best attribute but he shot 35% while making only .6 per game.  Can someone please help me understand the hype and how KO is different from a below average player like Andrea Bargnani?

You clearly hevent watched him play late in the season,  nor looked at his stats.

His rebounding was actually excellent for the number of minuted he played (aveeaged around 9.5 Rebounds per 36), especially his offensive rebounding where he ranked near the top of the league on a per minute basis.

He also showed exceptional passing skills, a very nice the point shot, and an impressive ability to put the ball on the floor and drive to the basket. 

Those are rare skills for a 7 footer.

Is his defense poor? Yes.  Is his post game outstanding?  No.  Same can be said for similar style players like Kevin love and Dirk.

You meant to say three point shot, right?  Just checking.

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« Reply #73 on: September 15, 2014, 07:52:21 PM »

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« Reply #74 on: September 15, 2014, 09:45:31 PM »

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Well if Kelly O. really sucks why not trade him off. Im sure a lot of teams would really scoop him up instantly. We'll just be left shaking our collective heads when he becomes a productive player for other teams.
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