Whats Stopping us from having a season like last years Phoenix Suns

[CelticsFanFromNYC]

ESPN ranked the Phoenix Suns 29th in the overall power rankings last year.  With that being said, they came barely short to a playoff run in the talented Western Conference.

I understand they had.Dragic & Bledsoe in the back court and Gerald as Mr. Athleticism but they didnt play with a defensive shot blocking center which everyone on the forums is craving for.
Rondo couldn't play a back to back in half the season we had him and people assume we might win a few more games? Anyone thought maybe KO's 2nd half of the season was better because Rondo was on the floor? ANYONE? I believe Sullinger can bang wit Plumlee easily as there numbers show similarities. and I honestly believe we have more depth then  Suns this time around. Even this year with their I.T. Addition (Thorton bust for 20+ any given night by the way)


Rondo/Dragic -I got rondo on this one
Bradley/Bledsoe -Of course Bledsoe
Green/Green or Tucker - I'd stick with Jeff
Olynyk/Morris - IDC what you guys say im sticking with KO
Sully/Plumlee - I'd give it a tie

SO.. with one more year of team chemnistry our new additions. Whats stopping us from doing the same???

[D.o.s.]

I don't think we'll be 23 wins better than we were last year. Do you?

[CelticsFanFromNYC]

IF I'd had to bet my house? NO .. BUT! Atlanta took the 8th seed with 38 wins. is 13 realistic to you?

[CelticsFanFromNYC]

I don't think we'll be 23 wins better than we were last year. Do you?

IF I'd had to bet my house? NO .. BUT! Atlanta took the 8th seed with 38 wins. is 13 realistic to you?

[MBunge]

I don't think we'll be 23 wins better than we were last year. Do you?

ESPN, and pretty much everybody else, didn't think the Suns were going to be that good last year.  That's kind of the point.

Take last year's Celtics.  This year....

Rondo will be better.
Sully and KO should be better.
Zeller, Anthony and Faverani is better than what we had last year at center.
Smart will be better than Pressey.
Turner will be better than Wallace.

Will any of that show up in a better record?  Who knows.

Mike

[nickagneta]

Talent. Specifically shooting talent but also the blend of talent. Its not going to happen.

[CelticsFanFromNYC]

I don't think we'll be 23 wins better than we were last year. Do you?

ESPN, and pretty much everybody else, didn't think the Suns were going to be that good last year.  That's kind of the point.

Take last year's Celtics.  This year....

Rondo will be better.
Sully and KO should be better.
Zeller, Anthony and Faverani is better than what we had last year at center.
Smart will be better than Pressey.
Turner will be better than Wallace.

Will any of that show up in a better record?  Who knows.

Mike

I feel Rondo alone  is easily a 10-win hike. See Hornets win differential the year without Chris Paul. I don't understand how the new cast cant push another 5 to 7 games which clearly makes us runners for the 8th seed if the playoff teams recordsarey anything close to last year

[CelticsFanFromNYC]

Talent. Specifically shooting talent but also the blend of talent. Its not going to happen.

This is very understandable but how many shooters did Suns REALLY have other than bledsoe and Dragic? Bradley, KO, Green, Thorton (thorton is PJ tucker without penetration) comes pretty [dang] close

[CelticsFanFromNYC]

but also the blend of talent. Its not going to happen.

Rondo,(Thorton or Brdaley),Green,KO,( Zeller OR sully)

IS that lineup at durations of the game not enough shooting and DECENT DEFENSE?

[Kevin OConnor]

Green/Green or Tucker - I'd stick with Jeff
Olynyk/Morris - IDC what you guys say im sticking with KO
Sully/Plumlee - I'd give it a tie

That's your problem. And Frye was their starter at PF, not Morris. And Frye is significantly better than KO. Plumlee is a great defensive player. Tucker is better than Jeff Green for his defense, hustle, and rebounding. Green brings better scoring, but you don't need that when Bledsoe, Frye, Dragic are your top 3 guys.

[snively]

Talent. Specifically shooting talent but also the blend of talent. Its not going to happen.

This is very understandable but how many shooters did Suns REALLY have other than bledsoe and Dragic? Bradley, KO, Green, Thorton (thorton is PJ tucker without penetration) comes pretty [dang] close

The Suns had a dangerous volume 3-point shooting big man in Channing Frye.  That and their guards could hit the 3 in pick and roll.  Those are two critical elements of their offensive success that we might not be able to replicate.

[CelticsFanFromNYC]

Green/Green or Tucker - I'd stick with Jeff
Olynyk/Morris - IDC what you guys say im sticking with KO
Sully/Plumlee - I'd give it a tie

That's your problem. And Frye was their starter at PF, not Morris. And Frye is significantly better than KO. Plumlee is a great defensive player. Tucker is better than Jeff Green for his defense, hustle, and rebounding. Green brings better scoring, but you don't need that when Bledsoe, Frye, Dragic are your top 3 guys.

I respect your opinion greatly but Frye wasn't much of a scorer last year. Maybe in spurts which I know from having him on my fantasy team.  Mason gets the Defense award I agree.  I'd still side with Green over tucker on defense. I respect the "hustle " differential though. so that being said. we were 13 games out of last years playoffs. With fresh Rondo is that not feasible? If we was in the west. NO WAY but were in the East. Im not saying its going to happen but whats really deminishing a strong possibility?

[CelticsFanFromNYC]

Talent. Specifically shooting talent but also the blend of talent. Its not going to happen.

This is very understandable but how many shooters did Suns REALLY have other than bledsoe and Dragic? Bradley, KO, Green, Thorton (thorton is PJ tucker without penetration) comes pretty [dang] close

The Suns had a dangerous volume 3-point shooting big man in Channing Frye.  That and their guards could hit the 3 in pick and roll.  Those are two critical elements of their offensive success that we might not be able to replicate.

I honestly did forget bout Frye I won't lie. Overall it makes sense what your saying. Thats why I created this thread asking

[snively]

Green/Green or Tucker - I'd stick with Jeff
Olynyk/Morris - IDC what you guys say im sticking with KO
Sully/Plumlee - I'd give it a tie

That's your problem. And Frye was their starter at PF, not Morris. And Frye is significantly better than KO. Plumlee is a great defensive player. Tucker is better than Jeff Green for his defense, hustle, and rebounding. Green brings better scoring, but you don't need that when Bledsoe, Frye, Dragic are your top 3 guys.

Actually, Frye was not one of their top 3 guys.  Gerald Green and Markieff Morris were both significantly higher scorers.  Frye's definitely a potent offensive role player for his floor spacing, but he's not a scorer, and his presence isn't what allowed Phoenix to go with a non-scorer like Tucker - it was the dual PGs plus the abundance of bench scorers.

And Jeff Green's a good defender too - just because Tucker defended him well doesn't mean that Tucker's the more valuable player.

[CelticsFanFromNYC]

Green/Green or Tucker - I'd stick with Jeff
Olynyk/Morris - IDC what you guys say im sticking with KO
Sully/Plumlee - I'd give it a tie

That's your problem. And Frye was their starter at PF, not Morris. And Frye is significantly better than KO. Plumlee is a great defensive player. Tucker is better than Jeff Green for his defense, hustle, and rebounding. Green brings better scoring, but you don't need that when Bledsoe, Frye, Dragic are your top 3 guys.

Actually, Frye was not one of their top 3 guys.  Gerald Green and Markieff Morris were both significantly higher scorers.  Frye's definitely a potent offensive role player for his floor spacing, but he's not a scorer, and his presence isn't what allowed Phoenix to go with a non-scorer like Tucker - it was the dual PGs plus the abundance of bench scorers.

And Jeff Green's a good defender too - just because Tucker defended him well doesn't mean that Tucker's the more valuable player.

I deff agree. Same time, I'm starting to realize  Frye is  a big difference maker alone with his spacing.  And I could honestly say KO doesnt have that presence yet. Hopefully he can this year