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Offline LooseCannon

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With Paul George's injury, it's possible David West will have declined by the time George is fully recovered.

Indiana trades David West and Roy Hibbert.
Boston sends back Jared Sullinger, Tyler Zeller, Marcus Thornton, Keith Bogans, and whoever else is needed to match salary.  Probably also draft considerations.  A sign-and-trade for Evan Turner might also get worked into this.

The Pacers start Zeller/Mahinmi, Sullinger, Solomon Hill, Thornton, and George Hill and get a high draft pick to go with a returning Paul George in 2015-2016, while also hopefully developing some of those young players.  They get to waive Bogans and get further from luxury tax territory.

The Celtics start Hibbert, West, Green, Bradley, Rondo, with a bench that includes Olynyk, Smart, and Turner.  It looks like a likely playoff team to me and one that might convince Rondo to stick around.  If the frontcourt upgrade can get the team to flirt with being a top five defense, the Celtics could be a darkhorse title contender.

This feels like a trade idea that the Celtics should love if they don't have to give up a pick and an idea that the Pacers should love if they get three firsts (or two good firsts) out of it.  Is there room for a compromise somewhere in the middle?
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Re: Idea: Sully/Zeller to Indy for West/Hibbert, Rondo and George not involved
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This would lead us to mediocrity, I would rather have the picks than Hibbert and West and getting bounced out of the second round and doomed to higher picks ever year.  With West we'd have a one to two year window, and he already spurned us.   Hibbert is damaged goods.   

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Without knowing all the pieces can't really judge the trade.  Is it Philly, Clipper, Celt or Brooklyn picks?

Hibbert, West, Green, AB, Rondo. Bench of Smart, Young, Turner, Bass, Olynyk. Absolutely works for me as a dark horse team.

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Without knowing all the pieces can't really judge the trade.  Is it Philly, Clipper, Celt or Brooklyn picks?

I'm offering a framework for a deal and suggesting that we have a conversation about what sort of draft considerations can be included that would make this an acceptable trade for both sides.
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This feels like a trade idea that the Celtics should love if they don't have to give up a pick and an idea that the Pacers should love if they get three firsts (or two good firsts) out of it.  Is there room for a compromise somewhere in the middle?

I agree with your first sentence, although I'm less Bullish on Indiana's enthusiasm, but I don't believe there's an acceptable compromise.
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Without knowing all the pieces can't really judge the trade.  Is it Philly, Clipper, Celt or Brooklyn picks?

I'm offering a framework for a deal and suggesting that we have a conversation about what sort of draft considerations can be included that would make this an acceptable trade for both sides.

Well of course part 1 for Pacers is Hibbert wants out. Without that I don't see them moving Hibbert.

Second part is Wallace going is easiest way to match salaries if West is being moved but cost another 1st for C's.

Maybe
Boston sends Bogans, Wallace, Sully, Zeller, Thornton both Brooklyn first and Philly 1st*.

For West and Hibbert.

 Kind of a high price but C's are dumping Wallace.

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This feels like a trade idea that the Celtics should love if they don't have to give up a pick and an idea that the Pacers should love if they get three firsts (or two good firsts) out of it.  Is there room for a compromise somewhere in the middle?

I agree with your first sentence, although I'm less Bullish on Indiana's enthusiasm, but I don't believe there's an acceptable compromise.

Indiana's enthusiasm is really dependent on how much they think West will have left in the tank by the time Paul George is 100%.
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Loose, +1 for the premise of the thread.

With George out at least this year and Indiana all-in with West and his brief 2-3 year window, Bird either has to let West go, tank and build for when George gets back or add pieces to compete now with West.

One thing to consider is that David West is the heart and soul of that team with his toughness and experience. If they dump West now after having dumped Granger last year, that locker-room, which was fragile last year because of the personalities and the alleged George/Hibbert fiancee thing, could be damaged for years, especially if Hibbert stays, which is why i like your trade idea. Hibbert and West go together, and they build for a George-centric future. We compete now and they compete later.

The other option, competing in West's brief window, is more problematic. Pacers need scoring on the wing and some star infusion. The main problem is that aside from the core of West/Hibbert/George, they have little to trade to acquire those valuable commodities.

If they want to compete now in West's window, all they really have to trade to get those assets is Paul George, and everyone says that he is untouchable. If so, they cant legitimately compete now.

However, if they, in the highly unlikely scenario, decide to trade George (compound fracture in two places takes a LONG time to heel, never mind the muscle issues associated with it), Bird may consider Rondo (star pg), Thornton (desperately needed scoring from the wing) and Green for George and Hill.

What a defensive team that would be with Rondo/Green/West/ Hibbert.

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This feels like a trade idea that the Celtics should love if they don't have to give up a pick and an idea that the Pacers should love if they get three firsts (or two good firsts) out of it.  Is there room for a compromise somewhere in the middle?

I agree with your first sentence, although I'm less Bullish on Indiana's enthusiasm, but I don't believe there's an acceptable compromise.

Indiana's enthusiasm is really dependent on how much they think West will have left in the tank by the time Paul George is 100%.

It certainly depends on more than that.