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Re: GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2014 Constitutional Convention
« Reply #90 on: September 18, 2014, 12:04:25 PM »

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I just had a thought (I know I'm late)

But I propose that the votes cast for veto against a trade are a public vote in a thread,  where after discussion someone can change their vote as long as it is before the trade review period is over.

Fly by anonymous vetoing causes a lot of arguments.

I think public veto votes would have a chilling effect on people's willingness to veto, and when veto votes did happen it would lead to even more arguments than anonymous vetoing ("Owner X only vetoed me because <insert years-old drama here>!"), and increase the chance of retaliatory vetoing later on ("you vetoed my deal, so I'm vetoing yours").

I think owners should be allowed to veto anonymously if they want, and we've had so few vetoes that it's not like the current process is being abused.

Re: GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2014 Constitutional Convention
« Reply #91 on: September 18, 2014, 12:49:36 PM »

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I have to agree. I don't see how that would make the league a more harmonious or easier-to-do-business type place

Re: GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2014 Constitutional Convention
« Reply #92 on: September 18, 2014, 02:05:33 PM »

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I vote no on Amendment 5.


How you vote is your choice, of course, Eja, but I'm curious why you're for a 6-week moratorium on new GMs making trades in the points league but against it in this league? It can't be b/c the one proposed here is 8-weeks instead of 6 can it?


I don't mind at all like a 6 week moratorium on new guy trading, but I think they should probably get the opportunity to draft who they want
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Re: GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2014 Constitutional Convention
« Reply #93 on: September 18, 2014, 05:22:36 PM »

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I vote no on Amendment 5.


How you vote is your choice, of course, Eja, but I'm curious why you're for a 6-week moratorium on new GMs making trades in the points league but against it in this league? It can't be b/c the one proposed here is 8-weeks instead of 6 can it?


I don't mind at all like a 6 week moratorium on new guy trading, but I think they should probably get the opportunity to draft who they want
No that's not it. I think that is only a minor difference. I thought about it and I am definitely not saying I would never vote for it. Maybe in the future I would. However I just haven't seen a problem with that in this league. Maybe that's only because I've only been here one year, but I didn't see anyone last year asking for this in this league and I know how important it is to you to not really compare leagues, and I also definitely agree with the "stamp on team" theory.
Further I was slightly surprised that the amendment seemed to have some minor changes where it was both a top 50 guy and a top 50 offensive guy, whereas originally it was only a top 50 overall guy and then there was a difference between the amendment in this thread saying it was just 2 months overall vs two months of both a top 50 guy and a first round pick in the poll. I just wasn't feeling tons of confidence in this one.
Maybe if I was taught a tad bit of the history of the league of when this happened before and caused problems I would change my vote. My understanding was that in the past the big problem in this league had actually been vetoes more than other things, but there wasn't a lot done about that, except that I did vote for the 2 day review period.
Further as long as we're discussing the other league, when I suggested the 6 week moratorium in the other league nobody supported it, and in fact the only comment was someone shooting it down to say 6 weeks is ridiculously long, and that league is actually the league that had the problem, so I wasn't so sure there'd even be support for any change.
I am guessing byennie will raise that issue in that league as soon as he has 4 more GMs, and if he does it will be interesting to see how it goes.

Re: GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2014 Constitutional Convention
« Reply #94 on: September 19, 2014, 09:30:00 AM »

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Wanted to thank the 13-14 GMs that have already voted!!! Take that ... uh,... apathy!!

Just a reminder please just vote in the poll and don't post in the thread -- unless you have a question.
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Re: GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2014 Constitutional Convention
« Reply #95 on: September 19, 2014, 03:18:17 PM »

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Looks like two amendments have passed so far.

Re: GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2014 Constitutional Convention
« Reply #96 on: September 22, 2014, 09:31:37 AM »

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Amendments 1 and 2 passed

Amendments 3, 4, 5 and 6 failed.

Looks like we had 15 GMs voting and at least 3 GMs posting in the thread despite instructions to the contrary (though I know that if you use the Yahoo! fantasy app for the Iphone you have no way of voting in the polls).

I'll update the constitution later today.


These amendments have been proposed, discussed and seconded and will therefore be voted on from Sep. 18-21 on the Yahoo! league site.

additions in bold italic red
deletions are bold and struckthrough




Constitutional Amendment #1
Games Played Audit For Non-Playoff Teams (new article)
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Article 7. At the end of the season the commissioner will conduct an Games Played Audit of the 12 non-playoff teams. For each player with either an O-Rank or Season (total) Rank of 100 or better which misses more than 20 games that he plays in real life (i.e. Basketball Reference "games played" minus Y! Team Log "GP" > 20 games) that team shall be penalized 5 post-lottery draft spots. GMs may appeal this penalty to the league. Reversal requires an majority vote (i.e. 11 votes).

Proposed by Gainesville Celtic, seconded by Hpantazo
-- Amended to (a) O-Rank/Rank of 100 (instead of 150) and (b) added appeal provision






Constitutional Amendment #2
Maximum number of NA and Overseas Players (new articles)

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Article 19. Begining with the first day of the NBA season, each team may have a maximum of 2 players total listed as NA in the Y! system and/or overseas players as described in #18 above.

Article 20. There is no limit on the number of injured players a team may have on its 16-man roster.


Proposed by Gainesville Celtic, seconded by THE Walker Wiggle
-- Revised to clarify injured players and provide time frame.






Constitutional Amendment #3
Two Day Trade Review Period Instead of One (revised article)

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21. In-season trades shall have a two day 1 day approval period, to allow league GMs to review and exercise veto, if necessary. One-third of league GMs exercising veto power (e.g., at least 7) are required to overturn any trade. (Validated by league vote, summer 2012.)

Proposed by THE Walker Wiggle, seconded by Gainesville Celtic





Constitutional Amendment #4
Waiver Order Based on Regular Season Finish (revised article)

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22. Waivers will be 1 day and will be by a continual rolling list that does not carry over from year to year. Waiver order is reset at the beginning of each season to the reverse order of the first round of the draft, with the league Finalists from the previous season owning the waiver priority #1 and #2, followed by the highest regular season winning percentage teams from the previous season (except those teams that have improved their draft position based on lottery results), etc.

Proposed by THE Walker Wiggle, seconded by Gainesville Celtic





Constitutional Amendment #5
New GM Trading Moratorium (new article)

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8. Upon joining or rejoining the league, new GMs must wait 2 months before trading either their own 1st round pick or any top 50 player (by O-Rank) on their roster.

Proposed by Gainesville Celtic, seconded by The Walker Wiggle



Constitutional Amendment #6
Offseason Moratorium and Expanding When Future 1st Rounders Can Be Traded (new and revised articles)

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II. Offseason & Rookie Draft

9. There is a league-wide moratorium from June 1 to September 1, during which no trades will be processed. The moratorium will be lifted once all 20 GMs have confirmed return, any vacancies are filled or September 1, whichever is later.

10. The league will hold a rookie draft each season shortly after the NBA's Rookie Draft in the 2nd half of September.

11. Draft order is determined by the following:

  • A lottery will be held to determine the draft order for all 12 non-playoff teams. Each team will get assigned to a corresponding team in the NBA Lottery (where the last place team is assigned to last place NBA team, the second to last to the 2nd to last NBA, and so on). Each of these teams will have the chance to move into the top 3 of the draft, based on the chances of the corresponding NBA teams. As with the NBA draft, picks 4-12 will be in reverse order of finish. Therefore, the worst pick the team with the worst record can finish with is pick #4.
  • Picks 13-18 will be in the reverse order of finish, where the team with the lower winning percentage gets the lower # pick.
  • The league winner automatically gets #20 pick in the draft, regardless of regular season finish, and league runner-up gets the #19 pick.
  • Second round picks will be slotted in the reverse order of regular season finish, regardless of lottery results or Finals appearance.
12. The rookie draft will be held in in the 2nd half of September on the CelticsBlog.com forums. Any GM unable to participate can send the commissioner or a proxy an ordered list of picks to choose from.

13. Teams have 10 minutes to make 1st round picks; 5 minutes to make 2nd round picks.

14. The time listed next to each pick in the draft thread's original post is the time the pick is due. Any GM who fails to post a selection by the deadline and who has not sent the commissioner a sufficient list of preferences will be assigned the highest remaining ranked draft pick based on the results of the actual NBA draft from earlier that summer.

15. Future draft picks may be traded on draft day, butno further than one year into the future. This is also true for trades made after the draft or during the regular season. Picks for the following year's draft may be traded beginning with the lifting of the moratorium as descirbed in Article 9 above.

16. The period from the Rookie Draft to the League Cut Down Date, usually roughly two weeks before the start of the regular season, is the only time that teams may carry more than 16 players.

Proposed by Hpantazo, seconded/reformated by Gainesville Celtic
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Re: GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2014 Constitutional Convention
« Reply #97 on: September 22, 2014, 09:34:39 AM »

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I'm curious what people didn't like in Amendment #6...  It was adding an official moratorium (instead of leaving up to the commish) and allowing future picks to be dealt 2 weeks before the draft.



FWIW since the length of the offseason is left now to the commish's discretion it's sitll going to be June 1 to Sep. 1
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Re: GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2014 Constitutional Convention
« Reply #98 on: September 22, 2014, 09:53:06 AM »

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Maybe they thought they were voting against moratoriums across the board?  Don't know, it didn't seem to make a lot of sense to me either since it loosened the ability to move future picks and kept everything else the same.

Re: GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2014 Constitutional Convention
« Reply #99 on: September 22, 2014, 02:52:16 PM »

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Maybe they thought they were voting against moratoriums across the board?  Don't know, it didn't seem to make a lot of sense to me either since it loosened the ability to move future picks and kept everything else the same.

I understood the amendment and voted against it, personally I preferred to pump the breaks on the trading of future picks, particularly given that Amendment #5 was headed for failure for lack of a league majority eleven votes.

I would've voted for codifying an official moratorium.

Re: GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2014 Constitutional Convention
« Reply #100 on: September 22, 2014, 02:53:28 PM »

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Maybe they thought they were voting against moratoriums across the board?  Don't know, it didn't seem to make a lot of sense to me either since it loosened the ability to move future picks and kept everything else the same.

I understood the amendment and voted against it, personally I preferred to pump the breaks on the trading of future picks, particularly given that Amendment #5 was headed for failure for lack of a league majority eleven votes.

Thanks Wiggle. I share the sentiment on pumping the brakes....
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