Rondo to Kings or Rockets trade ideas

[chambers]

Having room/money to spend is somethimg but it also might mean little to nothing in the end. Look at laker this past offseason. Do you see any big names signing with them?

Rondo is also not a guy that is going have other key players lineup to play for the celts.

That's not true. Dwight Howard said the point guard he'd like to play with the most is Rajon Rondo. Kobe Bryant said he would love to play on the same team as Rondo. Kevin Garnett said he's the best team mate anyone could ask for. Lebron called him one of the best players in the NBA.
Rondo's got a reputation as being a fierce competitor and an incredible basketball player and team mate- that's what playing with hall of famers and being an All Star point guard will do for your reputation.

The Lakers team sucks, and their cap situation sucks- free agents chose teams with a better short term outlook over the Lakers.

In your other post you said Rudy Gay turned down playing for a contender to play for Sacramento? Rudy Gay opted in to a $19 million dollar contract. He would never get close to that money as a free agent- that's why he's still playing for the Kings lol.

I'm not sure if Rondo is part of Danny's future plans, and I can completely understand if he's not part of the plans given his age and the rest of our roster. I agree that he's not going to hold much trade value and it's probably going to decrease as the season goes by because teams will have less guaranteed time with him on the books before he's a free agent.

I'll just remind everyone again that Ben McLemore shot 42% from three point range in college over 37 games at 4.7 attempts a game. That's a phenomenal number. Stauskas is considered one of the best college shooters of all time and he shot 44% over 39 games at 4.7 attempts a game.
In the NBA McLemore shot 42% from 10-16 feet.
To write him off as a 'bust' after an unpredictable rookie season on a terribly managed, unorganized team like the Kings is not fair.

I would rather get McLemore and a pick for Rondo rather than nothing if he's going walk anyway...hopefully he informs Danny what his plan is soon.

Oh and why are people calling James Young a shooting guard? He's a small forward that can play the SG. Danny Ainge stated this on the day after the draft. He was drafted to replace Jeff Green when he leaves.

[BballTim]

Having room/money to spend is somethimg but it also might mean little to nothing in the end. Look at laker this past offseason. Do you see any big names signing with them?

Rondo is also not a guy that is going have other key players lineup to play for the celts.

That's not true. Dwight Howard said the point guard he'd like to play with the most is Rajon Rondo. Kobe Bryant said he would love to play on the same team as Rondo. Kevin Garnett said he's the best team mate anyone could ask for. Lebron called him one of the best players in the NBA.

  Don't forget about Melo, or Kevin Love for that matter.

[Future Celtics Owner]

Having room/money to spend is somethimg but it also might mean little to nothing in the end. Look at laker this past offseason. Do you see any big names signing with them?

Rondo is also not a guy that is going have other key players lineup to play for the celts.

That's not true. Dwight Howard said the point guard he'd like to play with the most is Rajon Rondo. Kobe Bryant said he would love to play on the same team as Rondo. Kevin Garnett said he's the best team mate anyone could ask for. Lebron called him one of the best players in the NBA.
Rondo's got a reputation as being a fierce competitor and an incredible basketball player and team mate- that's what playing with hall of famers and being an All Star point guard will do for your reputation.

The Lakers team sucks, and their cap situation sucks- free agents chose teams with a better short term outlook over the Lakers.

In your other post you said Rudy Gay turned down playing for a contender to play for Sacramento? Rudy Gay opted in to a $19 million dollar contract. He would never get close to that money as a free agent- that's why he's still playing for the Kings lol.

I'm not sure if Rondo is part of Danny's future plans, and I can completely understand if he's not part of the plans given his age and the rest of our roster. I agree that he's not going to hold much trade value and it's probably going to decrease as the season goes by because teams will have less guaranteed time with him on the books before he's a free agent.

I'll just remind everyone again that Ben McLemore shot 42% from three point range in college over 37 games at 4.7 attempts a game. That's a phenomenal number. Stauskas is considered one of the best college shooters of all time and he shot 44% over 39 games at 4.7 attempts a game.
In the NBA McLemore shot 42% from 10-16 feet.
To write him off as a 'bust' after an unpredictable rookie season on a terribly managed, unorganized team like the Kings is not fair.

I would rather get McLemore and a pick for Rondo rather than nothing if he's going walk anyway...hopefully he informs Danny what his plan is soon.

Oh and why are people calling James Young a shooting guard? He's a small forward that can play the SG. Danny Ainge stated this on the day after the draft. He was drafted to replace Jeff Green when he leaves.

Oh and why are people calling James Young a shooting guard? He's a small forward that can play the SG. Danny Ainge stated this on the day after the draft. He was drafted to replace Jeff Green when he leaves.

He's played pg and sg his whole life except some at KU. He's been asked this question and he says he feels more comfortable at 2. It's also well known that he struggles against longer players, but I think everyone does. Anyway we will see. I just want him playing the position he will thrive at both defensively and offensively. I can see James Young's length being a great help to him on defense especially at sg where he is just so much longer than the others.

But he can play both.

[Future Celtics Owner]

Another thread regarding a Rondo rumor is up and i think there is a decent chance a trade is made before the start of the season. The reasons

1. Rondo + current lineup don't mix.  The current lineup is being built with what Stevens perfers out on the floor/strategy.  If Doc was here,  Rondo would likely be here for the long term

That's just your personal POV, not a fact, regarding whether he fits.  he's a highly skilled player that will do just fine in whatever system Stevens employs.  If Stevens is a smart coach, he'll employ a system that suits the talent he has on the team.

2.  Rondo wants max/long term contract after this season but Ainge likely won't give him that. Chances of him playing like playoff Rondo for most part of the regular season is unlikely 1. Coming back from his injury and will never be 110 percent again 2. His age 3. Again not mixing well with this current lineup  and 4. We have Marcus Smart

every player wants the max.  it's another to get the max.  Rondo will get less than the max deal after this season. 
out of your 4 'reasons', only one may be legitimate and that is whether or not he's fully recovered from the injury.  the rest is BS.  he's in his 20's -- not old.  the mixing thing is just something you're making up to justify your desire to trade him.  Smart is an unproven rookie that doesn't shoot well and is not the passer/rebounder Rondo is.  Not sure why that would impact Rondo's play.

3. Rondo's value can't much better by the trade deadline. On the flipside guys like Mclemore's value could rise significantly

Rondo's value can only go up.  His current value is low because other GMs want to see him play to see if he's recovered.  if he hasn't (worst case), his trade value is what it is now.  if he's improved (which I suspect is the case), he's much more valuable to us and everyone looking to get him. 
Mclemore has nowhere to go but up.  he stunk last year.  we also have a volume of SGs right now and Mclemore would be behind all of them on the depth chart.  don't need him.

Other thoughts
1. Celtics/Kings trade rumors last season. But Sac was hesitant to give up Mclemore and Rondo would not agree to an extension. Kings with drafting Stauskus can now trade Mclemore.

of course they'd trade Mclemore, he stunk last year.  still don't want him.  the rumors are irrelevant to the discussion by the way.

2. Rumor on trade night was the Celtics and Kings had a deal which was the 6th pick for Mclemore. But nothing happened and imo its bc Smart was still available by the 6th pick. 

unsubstantiated rumor.  C's would have been idiots to make that deal.  In fact, I believe the rumor was #6 for Mclemore and #8.  Mclemore was not worth the #6 by himself.  not by a longshot.

3.  Cousins a few months ago stated he thinks Rondo is the best passing pg in the league.  He has probably been pushing the GM to get Rondo all offseason. 

many players feel Rondo is the best passer.  the fact he's not a shoot-first PG is what a lot of players like because he'll pass them the ball so they can shoot.  better chance of Cousins coming to Boston as a FA to play with Rondo than the other way around.

4. Rudy Gay gave up a chance at becoming a FA and signing with a contending team. He must of been told or promised something that made him stay. 

wild speculation on your part that he was told that information and even wilder that it somehow involves a Rondo trade.  Also, Gay isn't going to make anyone a contender. 

Trade idea
To Kings: Rondo, Babb, Johnson
To Celtics: Mclemore, Trade exception (7 million), Moreland, 2 1sts, Terry  (traded or waived)

Potential lineup
C - Zeller/ Moreland
PF - Sullinger/KO
SF - Green/Turner
SG - AB/Mclemore
PG - Smart/Pressey

That team will suck in perpetuity until the C's land a top pick that's a franchise changer since they'll always be a lottery team with that 'talent'.  also, there's no one on that roster that would draw a top FA to sign in Boston not to mention a top FA couldn't turn that group into contender.

And Danny also wants to see what the Rockets (lineup worse than last season) can offer.  Prob the best offer he can get is something like. 

To Rockets: Rondo, Babb, Johnson
To Celtics: Jones, Beverly, Trade exception (8.5m),  2 1sts

Lineup
C- Zeller/KO
PF - Sully/Jones
SF - Green/Turner
SG - AB/Smart/Turner
PG - Beverley/Smart/Pressey

another horrid trade and C's again live in the lottery until they luck into a franchise changer.

If Danny has made up his mind to trade Rondo and has these two offers on the table, which one would you take?

I'd take neither knowing that I can offer more than anyone else for Rondo's services after the season and if I find the price too high, I can work out a S&T that would be better than either of these piles of garbage. 

I also know that Rondo's not signing an extension now is the smart thing for him to do financially because he can get that extra year for more money.  that's what all the smart players do under the current CBA.  Does not mean he's leaving town whatsoever.

A lot of people are overlooking this player, which I can somewhat understand, but do not agree with......James Young, you know the guy we just drafted, well he plays sg (yes he's more of a sg than sf but he has the length for both). Anyways I truly do not believe that Mclemore is better than James Young. James was a true freshman while Benny redshirted . Also James put up almost the same numbers on a far better and more competitive team.

I just don't see the reason for trading Rondo to get Mclemore. At this point I do not believe anything except a 3-4-5 team trade is best for us if we deal Rondo.

Like so many have said, these trades just are not cutting it. Mclemore/ Stauskus are prospects but they are not the prospects we need right now. We need prospects at center and one for sf. Teams are not just handing out Gainis's and Drummond's, so we have to take a risk:
(I would be happy with 2 of these 3)
Bismac Biyumbo
Rudy Gobert
Bruno Caboclo(7'7'' wingspan)(watch him play in SL and then comment)

People might think thats cray but I think its a hell of a lot better than getting Mclemore plus picks and filler. Even if we need to include others, with those 3 at least it would make a dif on our roster. I couldn't fault Ainge for trying.

Marcus Smart
James Young
Bruno Caboclo
Karl Towns Jr
Rudy Gobert/Bismac Biyombo
(edit:I;m not saying this will be our starting lineup right away)
With this team we could have the #1 defense in the league.  That team would be very well balanced between defense and offense. It would be impossible for other teams to get easy buckets down low and with having Biz and Gobert at center, we could have 2 guys that average 2+ blocks a game on the same team; and thats not counting Karl Towns and Bruno.

I have to admit this is a dream for me.  This has to be the longest team is history.

I wouldn't trade Rondo for any of those 3.  one's been around a few years and is still a project at best.  One is falling behind in the Utah rotation and the other one is rookie who's at best a several-year project before he becomes even a back-up quality center.

keep Rondo.  we'll still stink next year but figure to have a high pick and can get a much better bigman prospect in next year's draft.  We'll end up shedding Bass, Anthony, Green (fully expect him to opt out) and Fav if he doesn't cut it this year.  C's will be in a much better situation with prospects, picks and Wallace will now be an expiring deal that can be used as trade filler in a deal for a very good player.

The one you say has been around a few years is Biz. He's still just 21. In 13min he averaged 1.1 blocks and 4.75 rebounds

The other is you said is falling behind in Utah rotation. Thats Gobert he added some muscle since off season and had a good showing at SL. But you could still be right about him falling behind the rotation.

And Bruno Caboclo is not a center. He is a Gainnis type that plays sf/pf and is 6'9'' and has a 7'7'' wingspan......watch his summer league games and see for yourself if he is 2 years from being 2 years away.

I can see where your coming from. Last year when the sac trade was being discussed many people here were against this:
Rondo, Wallace
4
Mclemore,Isiah Thomas, 1st round pick, and fillers

I thought that was a very good trade and extremely fair. But many people on here thought it wasn't "enough" for our Rondo. Well, if danny did that trade now those same ppl would be calling him a genius imo.