Pacers reportedly offered Hibbert and Copeland for Dragic

[hpantazo]

It's from a Slovenian news site, which reportedly says Hibbert and Copeland and cash was offered for Dragic, but the Suns turned it down.

http://www.ekipa24.si/clanek/kosarka/reprezentancna-kosarka/53e48ab0dbdbd/dragic

If Hibbert and Copeland are available for Dragic, I assume we can get that package and maybe a bit more for Rondo if we want to.

[lon3lytoaster]

We don't want to.

[hpantazo]

We don't want to.

So now you speak for all celtics fans and/or management?

[mgent]

The Suns turned it down or the Suns fell down laughing?

[Vox_Populi]

Pretty amazing Hibbert’s value has depreciated so much. He's still a team changing defender.

[mgent]

Pretty amazing Hibbert’s value has depreciated so much. He's still a team changing defender.

Yeah, like how his pick and roll defense changed his team from 1st in the East to ECF losers.  He's a good post defender, but his speed killed the Pacers in that series.  Every time Miami called a screen and Hibbert showed on the ball-handler, it was a 5 on 4 with Hibbert sprinting to catch up.  It probably got them 50 open corner 3s with nobody even running out to contest, as well as plenty of LeBron posters on David West.

After how Hibbert played in the playoffs, he's 100% untradable given the value that IND would need/want in return.

[moiso]

Hibbert doesn't really seem like a Sun, does he?

I like Dragic a lot.  It would be an interesting trade for Indiana.

Indiana doesn't really have anything I'm interested in if they want Rondo, now that Stevenson left.

[gpap]

I think Hibbert and Copeland would be a pretty good return for Rondo.

[lon3lytoaster]

We don't want to.

So now you speak for all celtics fans and/or management?

The smart ones.

[Skywalker2.0]

I think Hibbert and Copeland would be a pretty good return for Rondo.

I don't want to trade our team leader and best player for anything less than a great assortment of young players with potential, other star, or high draft picks. I don't think Hibbert is in any of those categories.   

[Vox_Populi]

Pretty amazing Hibbert’s value has depreciated so much. He's still a team changing defender.

Yeah, like how his pick and roll defense changed his team from 1st in the East to ECF losers.  He's a good post defender, but his speed killed the Pacers in that series.  Every time Miami called a screen and Hibbert showed on the ball-handler, it was a 5 on 4 with Hibbert sprinting to catch up.  It probably got them 50 open corner 3s with nobody even running out to contest, as well as plenty of LeBron posters on David West.

After how Hibbert played in the playoffs, he's 100% untradable given the value that IND would need/want in return.

Indiana were the number one ranked pick and roll defense in the league. The basis of their pick and roll defense is for the center to neither hedge hard, like Miami, nor drop too deep, San Antonio style. In 2013, Miami played more of Haslem than Lewis or Battier, so Hibbert's lack of mobility wasn't as big a issue. Spoelstra changed his offensive scheme to increase his spacing i.e. Lewis started, Vogel didn't change his defense to increase his rotation speed. Indiana don't ever go small and when Miami's shooters are hitting 3s, you can't win unless you speed up. There's a reason why the Spurs don't play Duncan and Splitter against Miami, they get lit up.

Not sure why you're pinning this on Hibbert. He was asked to operate in a way outside his comfort zone.

[nostar]

Two things

First I agree about Hibbert, he's still a very good center in this league. One bad playoff run doesn't mean a bad player. He seriously needs to learn how to rebound though.

Second, this trade is bunk. The money is so far off it's ridiculous and in this case it would likely take a 3rd team because the Suns have so many small $ contracts. The highest contract they team has is Dragic at $7.5M. The salaries are still over $10.5M apart. Something like a sign and trade of Bledsoe would make more sense. Giving Bledsoe a max deal at $15M and trading him to the Pacers for Hibbert would actually be good return for PHX on a guy who is disgruntled. All things being equal you never trade big for little but in this case it might work out. Indiana needs a rebuilding year and PHX has too many point guards.

[hpantazo]

We don't want to.

So now you speak for all celtics fans and/or management?

The smart ones.

that is debatable

[JBcat]

The most I would offer for Hibbert is Bass, Green, and a pick.  If not I move on.

[gpap]

The most I would offer for Hibbert is Bass, Green, and a pick.  If not I move on.

Considering their current value, I think right about now Bass/Green/and a pick probably nets you a round trip ticket to nowhere with a stop at a dead end street of your choice.