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Re: if the Celtics had Aldridge how far could the team go?
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2014, 12:20:58 PM »

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Chambers how many stars do you need ?

Look at the spurs. They dont even have a top 10 player in their roster anymore and still won last season. You dont always need to create a lebron, wade, bosh like team to be the best

While they might not have a top ten player on their roster individually, the Spurs have had over a decade of three sure fire Hall of Famers (including one of the best power forwards to ever hit the NBA) playing together in the same system under the same coach, which essentially amounts to the same thing.

Again the pt is , ind they are not top 10 players(anymore).  Having three big names as a min requirement to have a chance at a ring is overrated.

Btw not sure if ginobelli will make the HOF . Just like its not in the bag that horry will

Re: if the Celtics had Aldridge how far could the team go?
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2014, 12:22:32 PM »

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Chambers how many stars do you need ?

Look at the spurs. They dont even have a top 10 player in their roster anymore and still won last season. You dont always need to create a lebron, wade, bosh like team to be the best

Well actually Tony Parker was All NBA second team this season. That means he was voted as one of the 10 best players in the league. Duncan was All NBA first team in 2013. He's made the All NBA team fourteen times. He was a top 10-15 player this season.
So they have a top 10 player (Parker), another top 15 player (Duncan) and they also have arguably the world's greatest basketball mind as their coach. (Popp)
 So you can use them as an example if you want, but their model for success is even harder to  duplicate because you need 10 years of luck. You can start off by having a number 1 pick in Duncan and getting lucky enough to have him become one of the greatest players of all time who's still basically putting up 20 points and 10 rebounds per game at age 38.
If only it were that easy!
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

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Re: if the Celtics had Aldridge how far could the team go?
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2014, 12:27:53 PM »

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Chambers how many stars do you need ?

Look at the spurs. They dont even have a top 10 player in their roster anymore and still won last season. You dont always need to create a lebron, wade, bosh like team to be the best

Well actually Tony Parker was All NBA second team this season. That means he was voted as one of the 10 best players in the league. Duncan was All NBA first team in 2013. He's made the All NBA team fourteen times. He was a top 10-15 player this season.
So they have a top 10 player (Parker), another top 15 player (Duncan) and they also have arguably the world's greatest basketball mind as their coach. (Popp)
 So you can use them as an example if you want, but their model for success is even harder to  duplicate because you need 10 years of luck. You can start off by having a number 1 pick in Duncan and getting lucky enough to have him become one of the greatest players of all time who's still basically putting up 20 points and 10 rebounds per game at age 38.
If only it were that easy!

If duncan played for the 76ers or bucks last season would those teams even make the playoffs? Or have a much better record

While effective duncan is old. He cant play the whole game anymore. The spurs system is on par vs gino, parker, duncan ind effectiveness. 

Re: if the Celtics had Aldridge how far could the team go?
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2014, 12:28:18 PM »

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Chambers how many stars do you need ?

Look at the spurs. They dont even have a top 10 player in their roster anymore and still won last season. You dont always need to create a lebron, wade, bosh like team to be the best

While they might not have a top ten player on their roster individually, the Spurs have had over a decade of three sure fire Hall of Famers (including one of the best power forwards to ever hit the NBA) playing together in the same system under the same coach, which essentially amounts to the same thing.

Again the pt is , ind they are not top 10 players(anymore).  Having three big names as a min requirement to have a chance at a ring is overrated.

Btw not sure if ginobelli will make the HOF . Just like its not in the bag that horry will

No that's not the point.
They do have a top 10 player- Tony Parker. Some people would say Duncan is still a top 10 player too, he's still 100% a top 15 (maybe 20) NBA player.

But that's not the point. The point is it took them over 10 years to build that kind of team around the luck of a number one pick, who never had a career ending injury, while they had the best coach in the world, while they got the second best point guard in the NBA and another probably hall of fame player in Ginobli.

You're acting like we should just go out and copy the Spurs model or the Pistons like it's easy to do. The fact is none of them are easy to to and it's even harder to do without multiple top 10 players or players who have been top 5 or 10 very recently to winning their championship.

"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: if the Celtics had Aldridge how far could the team go?
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2014, 12:33:07 PM »

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My pt is not to copy the spurs system. Its to created your own plus develop /add good players to have a chance to win. Or vice versa(build a team through a durant). But u dont need to "miami heat" it and require 3 big all star names to even have a wink of a chance to win a ring.

It is a way to do it but not the only way

Re: if the Celtics had Aldridge how far could the team go?
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2014, 01:12:33 PM »

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Chambers how many stars do you need ?

Look at the spurs. They dont even have a top 10 player in their roster anymore and still won last season. You dont always need to create a lebron, wade, bosh like team to be the best

While they might not have a top ten player on their roster individually, the Spurs have had over a decade of three sure fire Hall of Famers (including one of the best power forwards to ever hit the NBA) playing together in the same system under the same coach, which essentially amounts to the same thing.

Again the pt is , ind they are not top 10 players(anymore).  Having three big names as a min requirement to have a chance at a ring is overrated.

Btw not sure if ginobelli will make the HOF . Just like its not in the bag that horry will

Ginobili is absolutely, 110 percent a lock for the Hall of Fame -- which is the "basketball hall of Fame," not the "NBA hall of fame."
At least a goldfish with a Lincoln Log on its back goin' across your floor to your sock drawer has a miraculous connotation to it.

Re: if the Celtics had Aldridge how far could the team go?
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2014, 01:15:09 PM »

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I think a team with Aldridge at center, a skilled PF alongside and Rondo at PG has the potential to be one of the top offensive teams in the league.

The Celtics perimeter defense is very strong. One of the best in the NBA. Aldridge wouldn't give them strong interior defense but he'd do enough alongside such a strong perimeter defense to give Boston a good defense (say 10-12th rank defense).

Re: if the Celtics had Aldridge how far could the team go?
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2014, 01:26:00 PM »

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Chambers how many stars do you need ?

Look at the spurs. They dont even have a top 10 player in their roster anymore and still won last season. You dont always need to create a lebron, wade, bosh like team to be the best

While they might not have a top ten player on their roster individually, the Spurs have had over a decade of three sure fire Hall of Famers (including one of the best power forwards to ever hit the NBA) playing together in the same system under the same coach, which essentially amounts to the same thing.

Again the pt is , ind they are not top 10 players(anymore).  Having three big names as a min requirement to have a chance at a ring is overrated.

Btw not sure if ginobelli will make the HOF . Just like its not in the bag that horry will

No that's not the point.
They do have a top 10 player- Tony Parker. Some people would say Duncan is still a top 10 player too, he's still 100% a top 15 (maybe 20) NBA player.

But that's not the point. The point is it took them over 10 years to build that kind of team around the luck of a number one pick, who never had a career ending injury, while they had the best coach in the world, while they got the second best point guard in the NBA and another probably hall of fame player in Ginobli.

You're acting like we should just go out and copy the Spurs model or the Pistons like it's easy to do. The fact is none of them are easy to to and it's even harder to do without multiple top 10 players or players who have been top 5 or 10 very recently to winning their championship.

If i am building a team for a 1 year run at a title, i am absolutely taking Parker and Duncan in the top 10. I certainly trust them more than steph Curry, Kevin love and other boarder top 10 guys.

Re: if the Celtics had Aldridge how far could the team go?
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2014, 01:28:26 PM »

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I think you'd still need one more piece but getting Aldridge would be a HUGE step in the right direction.

In the weak east, we would probably be a top 4 seed.

I am hoping Aldridge does hit free agency next summer and if so, at least we have a puncher's chance with our cap space.

Aldridge easily becomes our modern day "KG."

Aldridge is not the game changing defender that KG was. He is OK in that department. He is more like a second best star, like Paul Pierce.

Anyway i agree, they celtics would still be one more big piece away, as well as in need of more 3 point shooting.

Re: if the Celtics had Aldridge how far could the team go?
« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2014, 05:33:33 PM »

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I'm not making the same mistake I did a yr ago....play for the top pick....get Love.....then boom...Nada.  Whatever happens happens.  I'm tired of playing this losers game.

Its up to Danny and the owners to get a good team out there.  I have a little more patience... I've already paid the NBA Ticket DirecTV bill for this yr. 

Re: if the Celtics had Aldridge how far could the team go?
« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2014, 07:36:49 PM »

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A frontline of Aldrige/Sully (KO) would be very good offensively.
Coupled with very good perimeter defense I think that team would be top 4 in the East.