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Korver indeed loves to move. He traveled at least six feet in the second preceding the release of 61 percent of his catch-and-shoot 3s, the fifth-largest share of “moving” shots among the top 30 players in overall 3-point attempts, per data from Spor**** tracking cameras provided exclusively to Grantland. He nailed 44.6 percent of those “moving” 3s, also fifth-best among those 30 guys.

Here’s the killer number: Korver shot 58 percent on “stationary 3s,” classified as any 3-point try on which he moved less than six feet in the final second before launch. That blew away the rest of those 30 players; Kyle Lowry ranked second, at 53 percent. A “stationary” Korver triple was worth about 1.75 points, making it only slightly less valuable than a layup.

That is insane. That is why defenses react to any Korver movement with sheer terror, and Budenholzer uses that terror against opponents in crunch time. Shelvin Mack nailed an easy floater on this out-of-bounds play in overtime against Cleveland after all five defenders, including Mack’s, tuned in to the Korver show.

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The gurus at Stats LLC, the company behind the Spor**** cameras, have developed two previously unreleased metrics designed to measure the amount of attention an offensive player gets from defenders when he doesn’t have the ball.

The first, dubbed “gravity score,” measures how often defenders are really guarding a particular player away from the ball. Korver had the fourth-highest score, behind only Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, and Paul George. The second — “distraction score” — is a related attempt to measure how often a player’s defender strays away from him to patrol the on-ball action. Korver had the lowest such score in the league.

“I underestimated how much attention he gets from defenses,” Budenholzer says. Korver is almost an offense unto himself. “You don’t appreciate it until you see it every day.”

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“Wing players have to move more in today’s game,” says Clifford, the Hornets coach. “And if you watch the film, he’s always aware.”

Korver’s biggest weakness is probably that he helps too much, straying into the paint to snuff out a threat that isn’t so serious. “It’s similar to how he can’t stand still on offense,” Budenholzer says. “He just wants to be involved and help his teammates, and sometimes he over-helps.”

He’ll never be the kind of long-armed, explosive athlete who can work as a shutdown wing defender; there’s a reason Jarrett Jack is able to sink that triple over him in the above clip. But he’s worked hard to clean up his individual defense, with quick and precise footwork that can contain superior one-on-one players.

I think Kyle Korver is a great team defender, and the eye test from the videos I've watched of him prove that in my mind. He isn't the most athletic or strongest defender, but he knows how to defend based on instincts.

Shooting 3's have become the norm. Great teams shoot 3's, and great teams also make it further depending on the percentage of the 3's made. Kyle Korver has an career average 42.5% 3pt shooting, which is pretty insane.

On any contending team, Kyle Korver would be the perfect player to have.

Quotes are linked to Zach Lowe's Kyle Korver: An Offense Unto Himself.

http://grantland.com/features/kyle-korver-nba-atlanta-hawks/

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Re: Is Kyle Korver is one of the most underrated players in the league
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Korver though, like Ryan Anderson (who could easily have the same article written about him), needs the right system. The offense can't be predicated on Korver's contributions, Korver's contributions need to compliment the offense.

If Korver is the highest scoring player on your team, bad news bears.

But if he's the 3rd (maybe 2nd), it all of a sudden makes your first, second, and fourth options' jobs much easier. More open lanes, more ball movement, more penetration.


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He has a 64 overall rating and never gets drafted by the computer in NBA 2k14, so he's definitely the most underrated player in the video game version of the NBA.

But yeah, Korver is great.  You can put him in the starting lineup of any team in the league and he'd fit.  Any team could use him.  He'll probably knock around the league another 5 years, at least, if not longer.  He's the best in the league at what he does.

None of that means he isn't a role player through and through.  But he fills a vital role, regardless of the team's system, and he performs that role better than anyone.
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Would you say he's the new Ray Allen?

Or maybe a slightly better defensive version... but less skilled at creating his own shot?
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Would you say he's the new Ray Allen?

Or maybe a slightly better defensive version... but less skilled at creating his own shot?

I guess I'm leaning towards the second. I think Korver in the Hawks system, and from watching this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaA69n4OxwI

You can tell hes a great moving/catching and shooting type of player. Put someone like that next to Durant, and hes gonna be a monster.
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Would you say he's the new Ray Allen?

Or maybe a slightly better defensive version... but less skilled at creating his own shot?

I guess I'm leaning towards the second. I think Korver in the Hawks system, and from watching this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaA69n4OxwI

You can tell hes a great moving/catching and shooting type of player. Put someone like that next to Durant, and hes gonna be a monster.

Korver/Durant/Ibaka would be scarily close to the big three (RA/PP/KG, of course)
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Would you say he's the new Ray Allen?

Or maybe a slightly better defensive version... but less skilled at creating his own shot?
Korver is the Ray Allen of the last few years.  Definitely not a young Ray Allen.

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Would you say he's the new Ray Allen?

Or maybe a slightly better defensive version... but less skilled at creating his own shot?
Prime Ray Allen was waaaay better than Kyle Korver.

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I would say he's underrated.

But judging from the posts in this thread you guys are overrating the hell out of him. Woulda thought he was the second coming
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I would say he's underrated.

But judging from the posts in this thread you guys are overrating the hell out of him. Woulda thought he was the second coming

I just think he is vastly undervalued. He's not going to be a star on his own - but he is the perfect shooting/defensive 3rd option for a championship team.
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Would you say he's the new Ray Allen?

Or maybe a slightly better defensive version... but less skilled at creating his own shot?

WHAT!? :o  No, absolutely not.  Ashton Kutcher's lookalike is terrible defensively.  Don't you remember when he was in Chicago?  His was the match up in addition to Boozer, that every team keyed in on, and rightfully so.  The guy can't guard a brick, nor can he dribble or pass, especially not at the Ray Allen level. 

Good grief, people. 

 

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Would you say he's the new Ray Allen?

Or maybe a slightly better defensive version... but less skilled at creating his own shot?

I guess I'm leaning towards the second. I think Korver in the Hawks system, and from watching this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaA69n4OxwI

Two things slightly off-topic.

1) Some of those Atlanta crowds are straight up pitiful.  That franchise gets no support.

2) It's crazy that Korver has already been in the league 10+ years.  in that grantland article they mention he was draft right after the Nets last finals appearance.  How has that been that long ago?  Man I'm getting old.

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Today's version of Ray Allen?  Seriously?!?

Ray Allen was was one of the top scorers in the league for years.  He averaged close to 25 PPG in his prime 'just before he came to Boston).  The guy was a beast.   It would be more realistic to say that Stephen Curry is today's version of Ray...only a shorter, better passing version

Also in his prime Ray was a hell of an athlete and a pretty decent defender.

The ONLY thing Allen and Korver have in common is their ability as pure shooters - in every other regard that are completely different players.

If I had to compare Korver to a past player id say maybe a (much) taller version of Steve Kerr.

Honestly,  Korver never would (and never will)  be able to average 20 PPG in the NBA.  He's a top notch role player,  but that's all.   I'd still like to have him on the team though.

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I see him as a specialist.  He is a great three point shooter.   I think he ought to be what McDermott is trying to aspire to be as a player.