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Wizards = chances of treadmill to mediocrity = 85%

Paying Gortat big money was a mistake. Going after a 36 year old Pierce was a mistake. Wall already on big money. Beal due a big extension in near future. Odds are they are going to pay Nene new contract which will put them over the top and doom them to a treadmill status.

Lack of a long term plan in Washington.

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Wizards = chances of treadmill to mediocrity = 85%

Paying Gortat big money was a mistake. Going after a 36 year old Pierce was a mistake. Wall already on big money. Beal due a big extension in near future. Odds are they are going to pay Nene new contract which will put them over the top and doom them to a treadmill status.

Lack of a long term plan in Washington.

 I actually like moves the Wizards have made.  They are really banking on the maturation and improvement by 20 year old Beal and 23 year old Wall.  Otto Porter might also come around. Surrounding these young guys with veterans will not only help them win now, but help them learn the game and develop as well.

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Wizards = chances of treadmill to mediocrity = 85%

Paying Gortat big money was a mistake. Going after a 36 year old Pierce was a mistake. Wall already on big money. Beal due a big extension in near future. Odds are they are going to pay Nene new contract which will put them over the top and doom them to a treadmill status.

Lack of a long term plan in Washington.

 I actually like moves the Wizards have made.  They are really banking on the maturation and improvement by 20 year old Beal and 23 year old Wall.  Otto Porter might also come around. Surrounding these young guys with veterans will not only help them win now, but help them learn the game and develop as well.

Agreed -- they've essentially gone the Portland route by proving to Wall and Beal that they're not afraid, or too inept, to put a playoff team around them (remember when LaMarcus was sitting with one foot out the door?). Teams are terrified of being Kevin Love'd by their precocious superstars.
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Wizards = chances of treadmill to mediocrity = 85%

Paying Gortat big money was a mistake. Going after a 36 year old Pierce was a mistake. Wall already on big money. Beal due a big extension in near future. Odds are they are going to pay Nene new contract which will put them over the top and doom them to a treadmill status.

Lack of a long term plan in Washington.

 I actually like moves the Wizards have made.  They are really banking on the maturation and improvement by 20 year old Beal and 23 year old Wall.  Otto Porter might also come around. Surrounding these young guys with veterans will not only help them win now, but help them learn the game and develop as well.

Agreed -- they've essentially gone the Portland route by proving to Wall and Beal that they're not afraid, or too inept, to put a playoff team around them (remember when LaMarcus was sitting with one foot out the door?). Teams are terrified of being Kevin Love'd by their precocious superstars.

Washington are just postponing that from happening. Not stopping it.

Like Denver with Melo or Orlando with Dwight. Setting their teams up to be very good but not quite good enough + facing a rebuilding process right when young stars hit their peak years.

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I actually think Washington could be a real contender depending on how Wall and Beal develop.  They aren't ever going to be one of those consistent contenders like San Antonio, Miami and Boston, etc., but I could certainly see them in the Orlando (with Dwight) mold, which is a lot different than Atlanta has been.
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Wizards = chances of treadmill to mediocrity = 85%

Paying Gortat big money was a mistake. Going after a 36 year old Pierce was a mistake. Wall already on big money. Beal due a big extension in near future. Odds are they are going to pay Nene new contract which will put them over the top and doom them to a treadmill status.

Lack of a long term plan in Washington.

 I actually like moves the Wizards have made.  They are really banking on the maturation and improvement by 20 year old Beal and 23 year old Wall.  Otto Porter might also come around. Surrounding these young guys with veterans will not only help them win now, but help them learn the game and develop as well.

Agreed -- they've essentially gone the Portland route by proving to Wall and Beal that they're not afraid, or too inept, to put a playoff team around them (remember when LaMarcus was sitting with one foot out the door?). Teams are terrified of being Kevin Love'd by their precocious superstars.

Washington are just postponing that from happening. Not stopping it.

Like Denver with Melo or Orlando with Dwight. Setting their teams up to be very good but not quite good enough + facing a rebuilding process right when young stars hit their peak years.

Sure, but the CBA is designed to keep a team's best player in place, by virtue of the sheer amount of money that the home team can offer vs. outside contracts. It takes a special set of screwed up circumstances (see: Dwight + Los Angeles or Love + Minny) to make a star player ditch their alma mater, as it were.

Who knows what that situation will look like post-2017, but as of now, the Wizards would most likely have to completely implode for them to lose Wall + Beal.
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I disagree with much of the OP...

Gortat does not have the miles on him that other big men do at his age thanks to his time behind Howard in Orlando. He excels with passing point guards and he will continue to be a 14-10-1.5 force in the middle for them.

Nene is under contract for two more seasons - they are in no rush to reward him with a new one.

Pierce is a solid veteran on a short term contract when they didn't have any other options. Plus it gives them flexibility to chase Durant in two years which is a rumor that has been picking up steam. If KD can't win one in OKC in the next two years, he could look for a new opportunity and DC is reportedly high on his list thanks to his local ties and the promising play of Wall and Beal.

Wall is one of the Top PGs in the game and is only 23 years old. With his maturity, experience, leadership, and talent level around him all growing - not sure why you'd expect DC to suffer. I think they are only going to get better.

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the good thing about this team is if gortat can't play good, nene blair humphries seraphin can all play C
and pierce can step-up to PF
yes bulls can play noah 40minutes a game, but wizards got a fresh bench players bigman who can play and contribute right away

i'm just not so high on porter and rice jr. at this moment, but maybe after they learned on pierce
webster would be fine but if they add a shawn marion player, bench would probably add another scorers to lead the 2nd unit, marion or pierce

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Wizards = chances of treadmill to mediocrity = 85%

Paying Gortat big money was a mistake. Going after a 36 year old Pierce was a mistake. Wall already on big money. Beal due a big extension in near future. Odds are they are going to pay Nene new contract which will put them over the top and doom them to a treadmill status.

Lack of a long term plan in Washington.

 I actually like moves the Wizards have made.  They are really banking on the maturation and improvement by 20 year old Beal and 23 year old Wall.  Otto Porter might also come around. Surrounding these young guys with veterans will not only help them win now, but help them learn the game and develop as well.

Agreed -- they've essentially gone the Portland route by proving to Wall and Beal that they're not afraid, or too inept, to put a playoff team around them (remember when LaMarcus was sitting with one foot out the door?). Teams are terrified of being Kevin Love'd by their precocious superstars.

Washington are just postponing that from happening. Not stopping it.

Like Denver with Melo or Orlando with Dwight. Setting their teams up to be very good but not quite good enough + facing a rebuilding process right when young stars hit their peak years.

Sure, but the CBA is designed to keep a team's best player in place, by virtue of the sheer amount of money that the home team can offer vs. outside contracts. It takes a special set of screwed up circumstances (see: Dwight + Los Angeles or Love + Minny) to make a star player ditch their alma mater, as it were.

Who knows what that situation will look like post-2017, but as of now, the Wizards would most likely have to completely implode for them to lose Wall + Beal.

Chris Paul and New Orleans is another one.

These are not special circumstances. These are regular situations that will continue to happen over and over again.

A team is either competing for Championships when star is in his prime or a team is not and is in danger of losing star player. Just like Orlando with Dwight, Denver with Melo and New Orleans with CP3.

Nene is 31 years old.
Gortat is 30 years old, locked up long term and I do not think he'll age well.
Pierce is 36 years old.

When Beal and Wall are in their prime, 3-5 years from now, where is the help coming from?

Washington trying to run before it's their time to run and they are setting themselves up to have major problems down the line.

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Paul and New Orleans was under the old CBA, though. So was Denver and Anthony ;)

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Wizards = chances of treadmill to mediocrity = 85%

Paying Gortat big money was a mistake. Going after a 36 year old Pierce was a mistake. Wall already on big money. Beal due a big extension in near future. Odds are they are going to pay Nene new contract which will put them over the top and doom them to a treadmill status.

Lack of a long term plan in Washington.

 I actually like moves the Wizards have made.  They are really banking on the maturation and improvement by 20 year old Beal and 23 year old Wall.  Otto Porter might also come around. Surrounding these young guys with veterans will not only help them win now, but help them learn the game and develop as well.

Agreed -- they've essentially gone the Portland route by proving to Wall and Beal that they're not afraid, or too inept, to put a playoff team around them (remember when LaMarcus was sitting with one foot out the door?). Teams are terrified of being Kevin Love'd by their precocious superstars.

Washington are just postponing that from happening. Not stopping it.

Like Denver with Melo or Orlando with Dwight. Setting their teams up to be very good but not quite good enough + facing a rebuilding process right when young stars hit their peak years.

Sure, but the CBA is designed to keep a team's best player in place, by virtue of the sheer amount of money that the home team can offer vs. outside contracts. It takes a special set of screwed up circumstances (see: Dwight + Los Angeles or Love + Minny) to make a star player ditch their alma mater, as it were.

Who knows what that situation will look like post-2017, but as of now, the Wizards would most likely have to completely implode for them to lose Wall + Beal.

Chris Paul and New Orleans is another one.

These are not special circumstances. These are regular situations that will continue to happen over and over again.

A team is either competing for Championships when star is in his prime or a team is not and is in danger of losing star player. Just like Orlando with Dwight, Denver with Melo and New Orleans with CP3.

Nene is 31 years old.
Gortat is 30 years old, locked up long term and I do not think he'll age well.
Pierce is 36 years old.

When Beal and Wall are in their prime, 3-5 years from now, where is the help coming from?

Washington trying to run before it's their time to run and they are setting themselves up to have major problems down the line.
Where is the help coming from on any young team?  Same place it comes from for everyone.  Maybe Porter and Rice develop.  Maybe they pick up an Ibaka/Tony Parker type player in the 20's.  Maybe they get a nice free agent or a solid trade.  Who knows.  And what if for the next 3-5 years they are a real contender, is that not a good thing? 
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Gortat does not have the miles on him that other big men do at his age thanks to his time behind Howard in Orlando. He excels with passing point guards and he will continue to be a 14-10-1.5 force in the middle for them.

Which centers do worse with passing point guards?
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wow! slow news day I guess.

can't believe this is a topic as it's way too early to say which way this team is heading. when they just came off a break out season.

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Haven't you heard? They hired Durant's high school coach and apparently Wall has been talking to him a lot during the summer. And will get further chance to do so at the USA Camp. KD's going home.  :)

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Wizards = chances of treadmill to mediocrity = 85%

Paying Gortat big money was a mistake. Going after a 36 year old Pierce was a mistake. Wall already on big money. Beal due a big extension in near future. Odds are they are going to pay Nene new contract which will put them over the top and doom them to a treadmill status.

Lack of a long term plan in Washington.

 I actually like moves the Wizards have made.  They are really banking on the maturation and improvement by 20 year old Beal and 23 year old Wall.  Otto Porter might also come around. Surrounding these young guys with veterans will not only help them win now, but help them learn the game and develop as well.

Agreed -- they've essentially gone the Portland route by proving to Wall and Beal that they're not afraid, or too inept, to put a playoff team around them (remember when LaMarcus was sitting with one foot out the door?). Teams are terrified of being Kevin Love'd by their precocious superstars.

Washington are just postponing that from happening. Not stopping it.

Like Denver with Melo or Orlando with Dwight. Setting their teams up to be very good but not quite good enough + facing a rebuilding process right when young stars hit their peak years.

Sure, but the CBA is designed to keep a team's best player in place, by virtue of the sheer amount of money that the home team can offer vs. outside contracts. It takes a special set of screwed up circumstances (see: Dwight + Los Angeles or Love + Minny) to make a star player ditch their alma mater, as it were.

Who knows what that situation will look like post-2017, but as of now, the Wizards would most likely have to completely implode for them to lose Wall + Beal.

Chris Paul and New Orleans is another one.

These are not special circumstances. These are regular situations that will continue to happen over and over again.

A team is either competing for Championships when star is in his prime or a team is not and is in danger of losing star player. Just like Orlando with Dwight, Denver with Melo and New Orleans with CP3.

Nene is 31 years old.
Gortat is 30 years old, locked up long term and I do not think he'll age well.
Pierce is 36 years old.

When Beal and Wall are in their prime, 3-5 years from now, where is the help coming from?

Washington trying to run before it's their time to run and they are setting themselves up to have major problems down the line.
Trades.  In order for any team to go from the bottom to a championship they need some sort of trade(s) that falls into their lap.  At least currently they're in a position for that to happen, and their players are too happy to want to leave first.  What did you expect them to do, starve the roster outside of Wall and Beal and try to sign a max FA with cap space?  How many teams really win championships like that (without LeBron collusion)?

I'm with GreenWarrior ^, Washington just came off a break out season and played wonderfully in the playoffs.  Were you making threads like this about the Spurs and how silly they were to give money to Duncan and Manu when Parker was entering his prime?  I have no clue how you can say Washington has no long-term plan Who, their plan is obviously to keep Wall and Beal around while they hopefully become better players and pick up playoff experience by playing with vets.  In the East, all it takes for CLE or IND to have one bad series and Washington could be going for a banner.  Regardless of the future how do you pass that up?
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