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Re: So is Ainge going to possibly try to go after Greg Monroe?
« Reply #60 on: July 24, 2014, 09:56:49 PM »

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I don't think Danny will want to pay Monroe anywhere what he thinks he is worth

I  I think DA won't waste a lot of time chasing him......when a better center may be had for similar dollars in the future.

Not that DA would not pick him up if the price is right , just not seeing Monroe selling himself for a bargain.

Re: So is Ainge going to possibly try to go after Greg Monroe?
« Reply #61 on: July 24, 2014, 10:11:25 PM »

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This board has a tendency to grossly overestimate Rondo's ability to get the most out of other players. It seems like with every prospective big man, someone inevitably pulls out the "Rondo will massively help their game" card. It hasn't happened and it won't happen. Rondo is one of the finest passing PGs in the league but his assist rate isn't that much greater than everyone else in the league. He's about 2-3 assist better per game than a guy like Jameer Nelson or other decent (but not great) PGs. He's not Magic Johnson averaging 16 assists per game. So for a guy like Jordan or Greg Monroe, they might, if they're lucky, get one more bucket per game from the assistance of Rondo. Rajon isn't turning anyone into a scoring machine.

I'd argue he really helped Shaq play well the end of his career, made Semih Erden look like an NBA center, and helped Chris Wilcox shoot like 70% from the field.  He probably helped fringe players like Ruan Hollins and Greg Steisma look a little better than they actually are.
Magic never averaged more than 13 a game  ???

You seem to be contradicting yourself with your second paragraph too.

Re: So is Ainge going to possibly try to go after Greg Monroe?
« Reply #62 on: July 25, 2014, 12:13:13 AM »

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Re: So is Ainge going to possibly try to go after Greg Monroe?
« Reply #63 on: July 25, 2014, 12:42:36 AM »

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I don't understand signing Avery Bradley for $8 million a year, instead of going after Monroe.

Maybe Detroit just didn't want to trade him.

Re: So is Ainge going to possibly try to go after Greg Monroe?
« Reply #64 on: July 25, 2014, 12:51:23 AM »

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I don't understand signing Avery Bradley for $8 million a year, instead of going after Monroe.

Maybe Detroit just didn't want to trade him.
First, Monroe is not under contract. And second, he wanted just about twice that in terms of salary.
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Re: So is Ainge going to possibly try to go after Greg Monroe?
« Reply #65 on: July 25, 2014, 01:09:22 AM »

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I don't understand signing Avery Bradley for $8 million a year, instead of going after Monroe.

Maybe Detroit just didn't want to trade him.
First, Monroe is not under contract. And second, he wanted just about twice that in terms of salary.

Monroe is a free agent?

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Re: So is Ainge going to possibly try to go after Greg Monroe?
« Reply #66 on: July 25, 2014, 01:14:41 AM »

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I don't understand signing Avery Bradley for $8 million a year, instead of going after Monroe.

Maybe Detroit just didn't want to trade him.
First, Monroe is not under contract. And second, he wanted just about twice that in terms of salary.

Monroe is a free agent?

RFA so the Pistons can match anything...I think.

Hope I'm right.

Re: So is Ainge going to possibly try to go after Greg Monroe?
« Reply #67 on: July 25, 2014, 01:20:32 AM »

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Re: So is Ainge going to possibly try to go after Greg Monroe?
« Reply #68 on: July 25, 2014, 01:21:05 AM »

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I don't understand signing Avery Bradley for $8 million a year, instead of going after Monroe.

Maybe Detroit just didn't want to trade him.
First, Monroe is not under contract. And second, he wanted just about twice that in terms of salary.

Neither of those statements has anything to do with what I said.

Re: So is Ainge going to possibly try to go after Greg Monroe?
« Reply #69 on: July 25, 2014, 04:58:13 AM »

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I don't understand signing Avery Bradley for $8 million a year, instead of going after Monroe.

Maybe Detroit just didn't want to trade him.
First, Monroe is not under contract. And second, he wanted just about twice that in terms of salary.

Neither of those statements has anything to do with what I said.

In a way yes.

Not under contract means that your premise of "instead of going after Monroe" is flawed as in, still a possibility (or that he wasn't pursued if there was interest).

As for how much Monroe's salary is going to be, well we couldn't afford him. NO CAP SPACE. The only way to actually go after him is in a sign-and-trade move, and having Avery Bradley on contract has nothing to do with going after Monroe or not.

So yeah, Avery Bradley vs. Greg Monroe situation you're creating is of no relevance.
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Re: So is Ainge going to possibly try to go after Greg Monroe?
« Reply #70 on: July 25, 2014, 05:54:08 AM »

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I'll bet Danny likes him but doesn't want to pay near max and I don't blame him.

Re: So is Ainge going to possibly try to go after Greg Monroe?
« Reply #71 on: July 25, 2014, 06:29:49 AM »

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This board has a tendency to grossly overestimate Rondo's ability to get the most out of other players. It seems like with every prospective big man, someone inevitably pulls out the "Rondo will massively help their game" card. It hasn't happened and it won't happen. Rondo is one of the finest passing PGs in the league but his assist rate isn't that much greater than everyone else in the league. He's about 2-3 assist better per game than a guy like Jameer Nelson or other decent (but not great) PGs. He's not Magic Johnson averaging 16 assists per game. So for a guy like Jordan or Greg Monroe, they might, if they're lucky, get one more bucket per game from the assistance of Rondo. Rajon isn't turning anyone into a scoring machine.

I'd argue he really helped Shaq play well the end of his career, made Semih Erden look like an NBA center, and helped Chris Wilcox shoot like 70% from the field.  He probably helped fringe players like Ruan Hollins and Greg Steisma look a little better than they actually are.
Magic never averaged more than 13 a game  ???

You seem to be contradicting yourself with your second paragraph too.

I didn't copy the quote correctly.  Lol That first paragraph was from someone else, and I was arguing against his point.

Re: So is Ainge going to possibly try to go after Greg Monroe?
« Reply #72 on: July 25, 2014, 10:15:04 AM »

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I don't understand signing Avery Bradley for $8 million a year, instead of going after Monroe.

Maybe Detroit just didn't want to trade him.
First, Monroe is not under contract. And second, he wanted just about twice that in terms of salary.

Neither of those statements has anything to do with what I said.

In a way yes.

Not under contract means that your premise of "instead of going after Monroe" is flawed as in, still a possibility (or that he wasn't pursued if there was interest).

As for how much Monroe's salary is going to be, well we couldn't afford him. NO CAP SPACE. The only way to actually go after him is in a sign-and-trade move, and having Avery Bradley on contract has nothing to do with going after Monroe or not.

So yeah, Avery Bradley vs. Greg Monroe situation you're creating is of no relevance.

Wrong.

I was talking about trading Rondo for Monroe last season and saving money going forward by not signing Bradley.

It's a question of where you put your money, not cap space. I never mentioned cap space.


Re: So is Ainge going to possibly try to go after Greg Monroe?
« Reply #73 on: July 25, 2014, 10:40:05 PM »

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I'm wondering if the plan is to throw a huge offer at DeAndre Jordan next offseason. Seems like a defensive difference maker, and Rondo can turn Boston into lob city with Deandre.

Chris Paul isn't a good enough PG to turn LAC into lob city with Deandre?  :)

  Sure. The Clips are lob city with Jordan, who had more dunks last year than our entire team did. He led the league in dunks, and Blake was 4th. It's worth pointing out, though, that (from hoopdata) on Paul's first 2 years with the Clips he had fewer assists at the rim per game than Rondo, who was playing with an aged KG and Bass, not Blake and Jordan. So, yeah, lob city with Rondo.

This board has a tendency to grossly overestimate Rondo's ability to get the most out of other players. It seems like with every prospective big man, someone inevitably pulls out the "Rondo will massively help their game" card. It hasn't happened and it won't happen.

  Big men who had the most efficient seasons of their careers with Rondo as pg include Wilcox, Shaq (they're first and 2nd in franchise history for single season fg%) and Krstic. Throw in Perk, who had his only double digit scoring season in 2010, finishing 2nd in the league in fg%.

Rondo is one of the finest passing PGs in the league but his assist rate isn't that much greater than everyone else in the league. He's about 2-3 assist better per game than a guy like Jameer Nelson or other decent (but not great) PGs.

  Rondo's assist rate over the last 4-5 seasons is about 50% higher than Jameer's.  Also, he's averaged almost 11 assists/game in that time, Nelson's been just over 6. The difference bout 4.4/game) is about twice what you think. For perspective, 4.4 rebounds a game is the difference between Howard or Love and Tristan Thompson or Josh Smith, or 4.4 baskets a game is the difference last year in scoring between LeBron and players like Nick Young or Afflalo.

He's not Magic Johnson averaging 16 assists per game.

  He's not. But then Magic never averaged 16 assists/game. His high season is 13.1 compared to 11.7 for Rondo. Numbers-wise, they're probably much more similar than Rondo and Jameer. I should point out that this isn't a comparison between Rondo and Magic. But it's still worth noting that when Magic averaged 13 apg his team made about 47 baskets a game compared to the 35 baskets a game the Celts made when Rondo had 11.7 apg, so clearly Rondo was assisting more of his team's baskets than Magic was with that Lakers team.

Re: So is Ainge going to possibly try to go after Greg Monroe?
« Reply #74 on: July 26, 2014, 12:04:53 AM »

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I don't understand signing Avery Bradley for $8 million a year, instead of going after Monroe.

Maybe Detroit just didn't want to trade him.
First, Monroe is not under contract. And second, he wanted just about twice that in terms of salary.

Neither of those statements has anything to do with what I said.

In a way yes.

Not under contract means that your premise of "instead of going after Monroe" is flawed as in, still a possibility (or that he wasn't pursued if there was interest).

As for how much Monroe's salary is going to be, well we couldn't afford him. NO CAP SPACE. The only way to actually go after him is in a sign-and-trade move, and having Avery Bradley on contract has nothing to do with going after Monroe or not.

So yeah, Avery Bradley vs. Greg Monroe situation you're creating is of no relevance.

Wrong.

I was talking about trading Rondo for Monroe last season and saving money going forward by not signing Bradley.

It's a question of where you put your money, not cap space. I never mentioned cap space.



Yeah, nothing you're mentioning now has any context with your initial post.

Trading Rondo for Monroe, doesn't have anything to do with the decision to keep Bradley.

Signing Bradley, has nothing to do with our buying power to acquire Monroe via free-agency this year either.

So your "signing Bradley instead of going after Monroe" dilemma has no foundation. There's no "instead of" in this situation.

And you don't mention cap space because you don't understand cap space, which is fine.