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What is the end goal for the Heat? If Riley really is all about championships it is pretty impossible to see Wade, Bosh and Deng leading them to one. So what is the point of all these moves?
you guys realize birdman shot .644 last year? must have been a LOT of open dunks. as for his contract, the guy just turned 36, seems like a lot, but he did post an 18.56 PER last season in 19.4 MPG. his state were almost identical to his career stats. it's amazing that he's still as explosive as he is. must be that heat training regimen that had ray allen throwing down reverse dunks last year.
Quote from: kraidstar on July 23, 2014, 12:07:18 AMyou guys realize birdman shot .644 last year? must have been a LOT of open dunks. as for his contract, the guy just turned 36, seems like a lot, but he did post an 18.56 PER last season in 19.4 MPG. his state were almost identical to his career stats. it's amazing that he's still as explosive as he is. must be that heat training regimen that had ray allen throwing down reverse dunks last year. This tells you more about PER than it does about Birdman's play.
I'm sure someone else remembers the screenshot of Rasheed finishing a game with the Knicks where he had like 118 PER.
Quote from: D.o.s. on July 23, 2014, 09:45:47 AMI'm sure someone else remembers the screenshot of Rasheed finishing a game with the Knicks where he had like 118 PER.To be fair, any stat can suck with a small sample sizeThe amazing thing about PER is that it still considers Brandan Wright an elite top 10 player after 60 games.
Quote from: mgent on July 23, 2014, 09:56:17 AMQuote from: D.o.s. on July 23, 2014, 09:45:47 AMI'm sure someone else remembers the screenshot of Rasheed finishing a game with the Knicks where he had like 118 PER.To be fair, any stat can suck with a small sample sizeThe amazing thing about PER is that it still considers Brandan Wright an elite top 10 player after 60 games.Shooting 70 TS% while scoring 17.5 points per game per 36 minutes is going to look very good in any minutes adjusted metric.Box scores capture a lot but not everything.
Quote from: Fafnir on July 23, 2014, 10:04:39 AMQuote from: mgent on July 23, 2014, 09:56:17 AMQuote from: D.o.s. on July 23, 2014, 09:45:47 AMI'm sure someone else remembers the screenshot of Rasheed finishing a game with the Knicks where he had like 118 PER.To be fair, any stat can suck with a small sample sizeThe amazing thing about PER is that it still considers Brandan Wright an elite top 10 player after 60 games.Shooting 70 TS% while scoring 17.5 points per game per 36 minutes is going to look very good in any minutes adjusted metric.Box scores capture a lot but not everything.Which is why I was under the impression that there were no all-encompassing metrics worth looking at (without extensive observations from actually watching the player).
Quote from: mgent on July 23, 2014, 10:26:05 AMQuote from: Fafnir on July 23, 2014, 10:04:39 AMQuote from: mgent on July 23, 2014, 09:56:17 AMQuote from: D.o.s. on July 23, 2014, 09:45:47 AMI'm sure someone else remembers the screenshot of Rasheed finishing a game with the Knicks where he had like 118 PER.To be fair, any stat can suck with a small sample sizeThe amazing thing about PER is that it still considers Brandan Wright an elite top 10 player after 60 games.Shooting 70 TS% while scoring 17.5 points per game per 36 minutes is going to look very good in any minutes adjusted metric.Box scores capture a lot but not everything.Which is why I was under the impression that there were no all-encompassing metrics worth looking at (without extensive observations from actually watching the player).This is 100% not true.There are plenty worth looking at, most of them are somewhat useful. They're just not worth looking at in isolation, just as you wouldn't watch a single game to evaluate a player.
Wins Shares is pretty good, but you're right -- the numbers enhance what you see on the floor, they don't supersede it.