With Irving and Love playing terrible defense, i don't think the Cavs title chances would be much higher than the Heat's chances if the trio of Bosh Wade and James return.
Bosh is a really good fit for James. If you need low post offense for a quarter, Bosh can do that. If you need 3 point shooting to space the floor, Bosh can do that. If you need defense played on the opponent's best big, Bosh can do that. If you need a player that can float between power forward and center depending on if you are playing big or small, Bosh can do that.
Love can rebound, and i will be curious to know if he can still be a monster rebounder when he has to exert energy on defense.
No matter where James goes, his team will be favored to make the finals. He is just that good.
In the end all this mulling about leaving is because James thinks Wade is not good enough to be Robin. Wade is more like Aquaman or something.
"Go talk to the fish wade, i am taking my talents to Cleveland."
I do get the idea that James wants to build a business empire for himself in Cleveland. That's cool.
Not to be a jerk, but there are quite a number of teams that would not be favorites to go to the finals with Lebron. If he signed with the Jazz, Orlando, Philly, Denver, Celtics (unfortunately) or the Bucks for example they would probably be 5 seeds at best. The whole point proven by his career so far has been that he isn't good enough to win on his own...
I partly disagree. LeBron took a bunch of schlubs to the Finals in '07, and he's a better player now, so I really believe he could take any team to contender status by himself.
Yeah honestly LeBron took those terrible Cav teams as far as any individual player could. No one won the entire thing on their own. I get the general distaste for LeBron on this blog, hes good and hes not on our team. However, when we make these kinds of statements it makes us look like uneducated scrubs spewing the latest nonsense from ESPN. He's the undisputed best player of his generation, time to move on from the "LeBron can't get it done" talk, he has won 1 more than we have recently.
I am pretty sure what I said is a fact rather than an opinion. If Lebron signed with the Bucks or Jazz right now (some of the others are more debatable) they would not be favored to finish any more than about 4th in their conference. That would be based on statistical predictor models, linesmakers etc.
Jazz are in the west so you are probably correct, but if Lebron signed with the Bucks they would be the clear favorites in the East unless Anthony signed in Chicago.
With Milwaukee's current cast of characters?
I mean I have high hopes for Parker and all but no way would that team be "clear favorites" in the East.
Yeah, who you putting ahead of them. The Pacers without Stephenson. The Knicks. The Wizards. The Raptors. The Hawks. I mean come on. The only team I could really see in the conversation is Chicago, but until Rose actually shows he can stay healthy I would have little confidence against the Bucks with Lebron, Parker, Mayo, Henson, Illaysova, Pachulia, Giannis, Sanders, etc.
Lebron James is that good and the East is that bad.
Pacers without Stephenson are still a very good basketball team. I expect the Bulls to be up there again with or without Melo and look what they did without Rose last year. What if Wade & Bosh end up back in Miami?
I think you're putting some of those Bucks on a higher pedestal then where they belong. Certainly some "ifs" with those guys. There's nothing "clear" to make them a favorite in the East. Contender? Sure but I don't think they're steamrolling their way to the final.
Bucks are in the conversation but no way are they "clear" favorites. In fact, I don't think there is a clear favorite in the East unless Lebron and Love find themselves on the Cavs along with Kyrie when the dust settles on everything.
No it is all about Lebron and how crappy the East is. That Bucks supporting cast is better than the 06-07 Cavs supporting cast, Lebron is a much better player now, and the East is even weaker now than it was then (at least 06-07 had a very strong Detroit team). The Cavs didn't make it back to the Finals during the remainder of Lebron's tenure, because the East got a lot better on the whole (mostly in Boston, but Orlando and Chicago both came of age as well) and Lebron's teammates just didn't get appreciably better (if at all).
I don't see Indiana as a threat to that Bucks team at all, especially without Lance. James would brutalize George and Indiana has no one else that can do much of anything aside from West (who at his age shouldn't really be anything more than 3rd/4th option type player). And let's not kid ourselves, the Bucks would sign other veterans to supplement the youth. If you start sprinkling in Ray Allen, Chris Anderson, etc. that team gets a lot better depth and much needed experience.
Chicago would be the only real threat (even if Wade and Bosh both go back to Miami) to that Bucks team in the East. That Bucks team would get killed by a team like the Spurs in the finals though, but the East is so bad and Lebron James is so good, the Bucks would be the clear betting line favorites to make the finals. Now if Anthony went to Chicago, they would be the clear clear favorites.