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Quote from: Vermont Green on July 09, 2014, 05:53:09 PMThis is a good trade but one thing that is not obvious is the $10M TPE exemption came to us largely because we took on Gerald Wallace for 3 years at $10.1M. There were many parts to the BKN deal so you can't match up any two parts exactly but these two are pretty close to matching up. The Celtics paid dearly for that trade exemption. So I guess it comes down to this:ZellerCle Pickfor taking on the contracts of:Wallace (3 years at $10.1 per)Thornton (1 year at $8.5)That is about $40M.I am not saying this is a bad trade, I would do it all over again starting with the KG/PP trade but no one made something out of nothing. Rather, the Celtics agreed to pay $40M to make something out of nothing.At least one of the BKN picks was for Wallace. So 2 picks and Zeller to take on Wallace. Thorton just turned 27 but we can flip or keep him and let him expire so I don't really see the downside there.
This is a good trade but one thing that is not obvious is the $10M TPE exemption came to us largely because we took on Gerald Wallace for 3 years at $10.1M. There were many parts to the BKN deal so you can't match up any two parts exactly but these two are pretty close to matching up. The Celtics paid dearly for that trade exemption. So I guess it comes down to this:ZellerCle Pickfor taking on the contracts of:Wallace (3 years at $10.1 per)Thornton (1 year at $8.5)That is about $40M.I am not saying this is a bad trade, I would do it all over again starting with the KG/PP trade but no one made something out of nothing. Rather, the Celtics agreed to pay $40M to make something out of nothing.
Add Thornton, Zeller and the Cavs pick to the list of assets we got by trading Pierce and KG. Fantastic return. Four 1st rounders. Probably all will be late 1sts, but that's a nice return for a couple elderly playersJames young2016 Brooklyn pick2017 option to swap picks2018 Brooklyn pickTyler Zeller2016 Top 10 protected Cavs pickFor KG and Pierce.
Quote from: ImShakHeIsShaq on July 09, 2014, 06:03:28 PMQuote from: Vermont Green on July 09, 2014, 05:53:09 PMThis is a good trade but one thing that is not obvious is the $10M TPE exemption came to us largely because we took on Gerald Wallace for 3 years at $10.1M. There were many parts to the BKN deal so you can't match up any two parts exactly but these two are pretty close to matching up. The Celtics paid dearly for that trade exemption. So I guess it comes down to this:ZellerCle Pickfor taking on the contracts of:Wallace (3 years at $10.1 per)Thornton (1 year at $8.5)That is about $40M.I am not saying this is a bad trade, I would do it all over again starting with the KG/PP trade but no one made something out of nothing. Rather, the Celtics agreed to pay $40M to make something out of nothing.At least one of the BKN picks was for Wallace. So 2 picks and Zeller to take on Wallace. Thorton just turned 27 but we can flip or keep him and let him expire so I don't really see the downside there.No one can say for sure that we got one pick for Wallace but I don't think that is an unreasonable assumption or theory. I don't buy the Thornton argument though. He is not a player we need or want. We took him to make the deal work. We may get something for him along the way but I don't think they will get much.So in return for being willing to pay $40M to two players we do not need or want, we got:BKN Pick in FutureProtected and probably not that high of a pick from Cleand Zeller.I am not saying this is a bad trade, I am just trying to offer some perspective that it is not all roses as it first seems. You can argue there is no downside to taking on either Wallace or Thornton but there is a cost.
Another brilliant move by Ainge.A decent young center, a first round pick, and cap space for next summer.All for practically nothing.
Quote from: Chris22 on July 09, 2014, 04:00:21 PMAnother brilliant move by Ainge.A decent young center, a first round pick, and cap space for next summer.All for practically nothing.Team won 25 games last season and with free agency looming here thursday the Celts are cap strapped. Can anyone explain how this happened?If Celts go into next season as constructed, how can we say Ainge has done a great job when were sitting at 79 million against the Cap?My ? would be, Did Ainge foresee the future with the Team while the big 3 were still here?Can anyone explain this? How could Ainge bring in a Stephensen if were maxed out?
Quote from: Vermont Green on July 09, 2014, 05:53:09 PMThis is a good trade but one thing that is not obvious is the $10M TPE exemption came to us largely because we took on Gerald Wallace for 3 years at $10.1M. There were many parts to the BKN deal so you can't match up any two parts exactly but these two are pretty close to matching up. The Celtics paid dearly for that trade exemption. So I guess it comes down to this:ZellerCle Pickfor taking on the contracts of:Wallace (3 years at $10.1 per)Thornton (1 year at $8.5)That is about $40M.I am not saying this is a bad trade, I would do it all over again starting with the KG/PP trade but no one made something out of nothing. Rather, the Celtics agreed to pay $40M to make something out of nothing. I don't think it really works like that. I think that we traded out more salary than we took back. and that's why there was a trade exception.
Wyc deserves some credit for this deal as well. Many owners would have let the trade exception expire and saved the money. Wyc is willing to pay Thornton his $8m+ salary to get Zeller and a future pick and the payroll is close to $80m for a rebuilding team. It's great to not have a cheap owner.