Jeff Green for Greg Monroe trade idea

[Lucky17]

Could someone more knowledgeable than I explain to us the difficulties of dual sign-and-trades?

I would like to know the answer to this question as well as how much the max for Greg Monroe would be this year.

The difficulty comes more from involving a player coming off of a rookie-scale contract who is in for a raise because it involves base-year compensation.  It's less of a problem for Detroit, since they can have ample cap space to accept more salary than they send out.  For them, Monroe's salary would count as around $6m outgoing, but he would count for his actual salary incoming to the other team.

The maximum salary for Greg Monroe is 25% of the salary cap.  We won't know exactly what the cap is until it is calculated during the July moratorium.  At the current projection of $63.2m, a max contract for Monroe would start around $15.8m, which would make the maximum value for a four-year deal be around $67.5m.

Bradley and Monroe are in the same boat (coming off of rookie-scale contracts), though, aren't they?

And with Boston not having cap space, it's going to be tricky to get the salaries to match up, I suspect. Maybe not.

[Humpty Dumpty]

What do you guys think of these 2 trades?

Detroit receives: Jeff Green, Gerald Wallace
Detroit sends: Josh Smith, Will Bynum

Detroit gets a more traditional SF and take on two lesser contracts in Green and Wallace. The Celtics get Josh Smith who should be able to produce much better playing his natural position instead of being forced to play SF.

Denver receives: Keith Bogans, Future 2nd
Denver sends: Timofey Mozgov


Denver shaves off salary and removes the logjam they have at the C position. Celtics get a true C in Timofey Mozgov.

[Lucky17]

I feel that the Smith to Sacto rumors should pop up again. Kings can send BMac and filler.

[LooseCannon]

Could someone more knowledgeable than I explain to us the difficulties of dual sign-and-trades?

I would like to know the answer to this question as well as how much the max for Greg Monroe would be this year.

The difficulty comes more from involving a player coming off of a rookie-scale contract who is in for a raise because it involves base-year compensation.  It's less of a problem for Detroit, since they can have ample cap space to accept more salary than they send out.  For them, Monroe's salary would count as around $6m outgoing, but he would count for his actual salary incoming to the other team.

The maximum salary for Greg Monroe is 25% of the salary cap.  We won't know exactly what the cap is until it is calculated during the July moratorium.  At the current projection of $63.2m, a max contract for Monroe would start around $15.8m, which would make the maximum value for a four-year deal be around $67.5m.

Bradley and Monroe are in the same boat (coming off of rookie-scale contracts), though, aren't they?

And with Boston not having cap space, it's going to be tricky to get the salaries to match up, I suspect. Maybe not.

A dual sign-and-trade means you have to satisfy base-year compensation both ways.

[Humpty Dumpty]

I feel that the Smith to Sacto rumors should pop up again. Kings can send BMac and filler.

Totally forgot about that trade rumor. I can't see the C's making a better offer than the Kings so I guess any chances of us getting J-Smoove are out the window.

[manl_lui]

I'm down

[footey]

What do you guys think of these 2 trades?

Detroit receives: Jeff Green, Gerald Wallace
Detroit sends: Josh Smith, Will Bynum

Detroit gets a more traditional SF and take on two lesser contracts in Green and Wallace. The Celtics get Josh Smith who should be able to produce much better playing his natural position instead of being forced to play SF.

Denver receives: Keith Bogans, Future 2nd
Denver sends: Timofey Mozgov


Denver shaves off salary and removes the logjam they have at the C position. Celtics get a true C in Timofey Mozgov.

Any trade resulting in the Celtics getting Josh Smith is  a big NO for moi.

[dmopower]

If we could get Monroe for Green somehow.  I say do it.  He is a solid center with some passing skills and a body built to bang and he has legit height.  as long as monroe promises to NOT hide like Green seems to do at times.  like 2 out of 3 games.

[TeamGreen.dm]

What do you guys think of these 2 trades?

Detroit receives: Jeff Green, Gerald Wallace
Detroit sends: Josh Smith, Will Bynum

Detroit gets a more traditional SF and take on two lesser contracts in Green and Wallace. The Celtics get Josh Smith who should be able to produce much better playing his natural position instead of being forced to play SF.

Denver receives: Keith Bogans, Future 2nd
Denver sends: Timofey Mozgov


Denver shaves off salary and removes the logjam they have at the C position. Celtics get a true C in Timofey Mozgov.

I don't want to get ANY PF to set back Sullinger and Olynyks progress. I think we got some good young talent at that position already

[ticotop]

Since the draft when Sac picked Stauskas, I've been wondering if there is a potential 3 team trade between Bos-Det-Sac out there if the stars align.

Principles would be:

Bos gets Monroe + Stauskas
Sac gets Josh Smith + Rondo
Det gets Jeff Green + Mclemore

It would probably require a S&T for Isaiah Thomas and a whole lot of other stuff to make the salaries work, but I can think of reasons why all parties involved might listen.  Detroit's end might need a little sweetening, but they would get to dump Josh Smith.

I was also thinking about this kind of trade, with these 3 teams, I just don't know how the salaries would work and didn't think about including Green, from my point of view Det is getting enough dumping Smith and rebuilding around Drummond, throw in maybe a pick or two for them, one from us and one from Sac

[dreamgreen]

I'm not down on Green as much as some others here but I would certainly trade him for Monroe. If we were able to get Monroe I'd prefer to keep Green, could make for a decent team. Not sure how else we get Monroe but there has to be some way, if he wanted to come here. We have the TPE of course, Bass, Sully, some non guaranteed contracts and plenty of future picks.

[celticslove]

no one wants jeff green aka uncle snooze, but if we can swing him for monroe that would be a great steal.

[Kuberski33]

If I owned a team and my GM made a Monroe for Green swap, I'd fire him immediately.

[dmopower]

Monroe and Green would be the main ingredients.  There would def need to be more involved to make it happen.

[Edgar]

Count me in if this is borderline possible :p