Redskins lose their trademark

[greg683x]

http://www.esquire.com/_mobile/blogs/news/true-redskins-meaning?click=promo

this is a less one-sided article

http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2013/12/18/redskins_the_debate_over_the_washington_football_team_s_name_incorrectly.html

[greg683x]

Im at the point now with this that I just want Snyder to change the name because Im tired of hearing about it.  It's gotten old.

I just will never understand though how THIS team will be attacked for having a name that is claimed to be offensive to native americans, when there are native american high schools in Arizona that choose to have their name as Redskins.

[Jiri Welsch]

Im at the point now with this that I just want Snyder to change the name because Im tired of hearing about it.  It's gotten old.

I just will never understand though how THIS team will be attacked for having a name that is claimed to be offensive to native americans, when there are native american high schools in Arizona that choose to have their name as Redskins.

Probably because this is a team that plays on national television sixteen times a year and is owned by a white dude.

I hear what you're saying, but it's slightly different circumstances. It's all about America not being able to address real issues and instead going hardcore after the peripheral side effects of a racialized nation so it can feel good.

[greg683x]

Im at the point now with this that I just want Snyder to change the name because Im tired of hearing about it.  It's gotten old.

I just will never understand though how THIS team will be attacked for having a name that is claimed to be offensive to native americans, when there are native american high schools in Arizona that choose to have their name as Redskins.

Probably because this is a team that plays on national television sixteen times a year and is owned by a white dude.

I hear what you're saying, but it's slightly different circumstances. It's all about America not being able to address real issues and instead going hardcore after the peripheral side effects of a racialized nation so it can feel good.

kind of like 'Hey that redskins name is awful, how offensive to native americans.  What a disgrace!"  "Yeah no kidding.  Youre off for Columbus Day tomorrow right??  Love that guy."

[Jiri Welsch]

Im at the point now with this that I just want Snyder to change the name because Im tired of hearing about it.  It's gotten old.

I just will never understand though how THIS team will be attacked for having a name that is claimed to be offensive to native americans, when there are native american high schools in Arizona that choose to have their name as Redskins.

Probably because this is a team that plays on national television sixteen times a year and is owned by a white dude.

I hear what you're saying, but it's slightly different circumstances. It's all about America not being able to address real issues and instead going hardcore after the peripheral side effects of a racialized nation so it can feel good.

kind of like 'Hey that redskins name is awful, how offensive to native americans.  What a disgrace!"  "Yeah no kidding.  Youre off for Columbus Day tomorrow right??  Love that guy."

Yes, exactly. Or "slavery is America's original sin, want to go watch college football or basketball?"

But now that's going off topic. I just think it's funny people mock Snyder for creating a foundation to help Native American culture when they think changing a name will be more helpful.

[SHAQATTACK]

I don't really see anything bad about the word redskin.

It's an old fashioned word, not used in a bad way.....

Redskins were fierce warrior Indians  when I grew up .....

I really have to scratch my had over this .....seems so trivial and trite

Sounds like people with nothing to,do,but grind an axe .


People who have no job and nothing to,do better than find fault with everything under the sun

[Jiri Welsch]

I don't really see anything bad about the word redskin.

It's an old fashioned word, not used in a bad way.....

Redskins were fierce warrior Indians  when I grew up .....

I really have to scratch my had over this .....seems so trivial and trite

Sounds like people with nothing to,do,but grind an axe .


People who have no job and nothing to,do better than find fault with everything under the sun

We're entering an age where people are too afraid to talk about race and its effects so they think the solution is wiping it out entirely and saying that biology doesn't support the notion of race.

That is fine, but you can't erase a country's history. Being afraid to say "Yeah, Redskins means Native Americans, a culture victim to genocide at one point in our early history. However, now that we are aware of our mistakes we want to honor the multitude of cultures constituting this nation."

Instead, we are ashamed of our past and just want to eliminate it and not reflect on it.

If I've learned one thing in life it's that everything offends someone. It's the intentions that truly matter I believe. If Snyder created a foundation promoting education for Native Americans then I believe this is just an issue lacking substance--people just want to feel good about themselves.

Has anyone thought that maybe this is the best opportunity to help Native Americans? You know, forcing a billionaire to put his money where his mouth is?

[kozlodoev]

So someone really thinks people will nickname their team, the guys they're supposed to cheer and root for, with a derogatory term? Why do I not see more teams named the f-ts and the n-rs? This is just beyond dumb.

[Smokeeye123]

I don't really see anything bad about the word redskin.

It's an old fashioned word, not used in a bad way.....

Redskins were fierce warrior Indians  when I grew up .....

I really have to scratch my had over this .....seems so trivial and trite

Sounds like people with nothing to,do,but grind an axe .


People who have no job and nothing to,do better than find fault with everything under the sun

Did you grow up in the 1700/1800s? Or just watch cowboy and indian looney toons cartoons and john wayne westerns? I think probably the latter.

Saying it is not derogative is a joke.

[fairweatherfan]

I just will never understand though how THIS team will be attacked for having a name that is claimed to be offensive to native americans, when there are native american high schools in Arizona that choose to have their name as Redskins.

Don't know about Arizona but a lot of teams where I grew up (Northern NY) had Native American mascots/team names when I was growing up, and almost all have changed.  It takes longer some places, but it's probably inevitable.

Either way, I don't think the Redskins need to be the last Native American-themed team to change their name for it to be a sincere disagreement with the term.

[greg683x]

I don't really see anything bad about the word redskin.

It's an old fashioned word, not used in a bad way.....

Redskins were fierce warrior Indians  when I grew up .....

I really have to scratch my had over this .....seems so trivial and trite

Sounds like people with nothing to,do,but grind an axe .


People who have no job and nothing to,do better than find fault with everything under the sun

Did you grow up in the 1700/1800s? Or just watch cowboy and indian looney toons cartoons and john wayne westerns? I think probably the latter.

Saying it is not derogative is a joke.

 The overwhelming majority of native americans, disagrees. 

Not to repeat, but these are native american high schools. 

[greg683x]

I just will never understand though how THIS team will be attacked for having a name that is claimed to be offensive to native americans, when there are native american high schools in Arizona that choose to have their name as Redskins.

Don't know about Arizona but a lot of teams where I grew up (Northern NY) had Native American mascots/team names when I was growing up, and almost all have changed.  It takes longer some places, but it's probably inevitable.

Either way, I don't think the Redskins need to be the last Native American-themed team to change their name for it to be a sincere disagreement with the term.

So do you think the government should tell high schools that are 90% native american that they have to change their name because it is offensive to native american people??  Just wondering.

'Merica...if you're not offended.  we'll be offended for you.

[sofutomygaha]

I just will never understand though how THIS team will be attacked for having a name that is claimed to be offensive to native americans, when there are native american high schools in Arizona that choose to have their name as Redskins.

Don't know about Arizona but a lot of teams where I grew up (Northern NY) had Native American mascots/team names when I was growing up, and almost all have changed.  It takes longer some places, but it's probably inevitable.

Either way, I don't think the Redskins need to be the last Native American-themed team to change their name for it to be a sincere disagreement with the term.

So do you think the government should tell high schools that are 90% native american that they have to change their name because it is offensive to native american people??  Just wondering.

'Merica...if you're not offended.  we'll be offended for you.

I know that you mean that as a joke, but I'm not sure that's a bad thing. At its worst, it's "social signaling-" fine that's true. At its best, though, it's simply empathy and respect. Regardless of whether it's often abused, the sentiment about the inappropriateness of the Redskins name is still ethically correct.

You don't have to be dead to take justifiable offense when you see someone dancing on a grave.

[sofutomygaha]

also, native americans don't speak with one voice any more than white jewish businessmen do. In this case, you'll probably learn more from the ones who are sensitive about the word because they've learned about their ancestors who were slaughtered and denigrated than from the ones who haven't or have forgotten.

[Jiri Welsch]

If the name is changed I hope it is to 'Natives' or something still representing Native Americans and not a complete shift.