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Re: Why would Love want to come here and why would we want him to?
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2014, 03:45:58 PM »

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To answer the second part of your question:

Because he's a good player.

Also, I've got to admit.

These references to "giving up the farm" and "giving up great potential assets" are driving me insane!!!

If I can make a suggestion, let's ignore and forget the term asset and farm:

Let's just stick with this theory and/or breakdown:

We are giving up "playes and picks" for a really good player

Also, you have to deal value to receive value.

It looks like the terms "asset" and "farm" have taken on a life of their own.

Players, picks, cap space, etc. all have value in a relative sense.  All draft picks represent the opportunity to acquire young talent.  Would you trade all nine or ten of our 1st rounders over the next 5 years to acquire Love? 

I didn't think so....

Re: Why would Love want to come here and why would we want him to?
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2014, 03:46:25 PM »

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I want to get Love, but at the right price. I don't want to gut the entire roster to get him to pair with Rondo.

That is exactly what we're all saying. We're just arguing over what that price is.
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Re: Why would Love want to come here and why would we want him to?
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2014, 03:47:55 PM »

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To answer the second part of your question:

Because he's a good player.

Also, I've got to admit.

These references to "giving up the farm" and "giving up great potential assets" are driving me insane!!!

If I can make a suggestion, let's ignore and forget the term asset and farm:

Let's just stick with this theory and/or breakdown:

We are giving up "playes and picks" for a really good player

Also, you have to deal value to receive value.

It looks like the terms "asset" and "farm" have taken on a life of their own.

Players, picks, cap space, etc. all have value in a relative sense.  All draft picks represent the opportunity to acquire young talent.  Would you trade all nine or ten of our 1st rounders over the next 5 years to acquire Love?  

I didn't think so....

Who said it's going to take 9-10 1st round picks to land Love?

Re: Why would Love want to come here and why would we want him to?
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2014, 03:48:02 PM »

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This will most likely anger everyone but I do not see the point in trading away all these great potential assets for Kevin Love. Let's go with idea that we get Love and Asik to go with Rondo. Completely doable, correct? That leaves us razor thin on the bench

You lost me here. Why does Ainge stop at adding Asik and Love?

Because he'd have already depleted his store of 'assets' to obtain them, especially Love...

With Rondo, Love and Asik on the roster, what do you think our salary cap position would look like???

Who cares about the salary cap?

Bird Rights to Humphries, Bradley, Bayless
untraded draft picks (because contrary to the OP, Ainge cannot trade ALL 10 or so draft picks to get Love)
MLE

Not to mention expiring contracts not used in the above deals.

People keep thinking the cupboard will be bare after the Asik and Love deals. It won't be.
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Re: Why would Love want to come here and why would we want him to?
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2014, 03:48:16 PM »

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To answer the second part of your question:

Because he's a good player.

Also, I've got to admit.

These references to "giving up the farm" and "giving up great potential assets" are driving me insane!!!

If I can make a suggestion, let's ignore and forget the term asset and farm:

Let's just stick with this theory and/or breakdown:

We are giving up "playes and picks" for a really good player

Also, you have to deal value to receive value.

It looks like the terms "asset" and "farm" have taken on a life of their own.

Players, picks, cap space, etc. all have value in a relative sense.  All draft picks represent the opportunity to acquire young talent.  Would you trade all nine or ten of our 1st rounders over the next 5 years to acquire Love?  

I didn't think so....

Who said it's going to take 9-10 1st round picks to land Love?

Another strawman.
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Re: Why would Love want to come here and why would we want him to?
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2014, 04:02:37 PM »

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Having Rondo and Love entices other players to want to come here now. Whose to say Carmelo won't look at Boston and say, "pretty good chance at a title right there."

I will never understand why anyone would be in favor of sucking for 5 years just to see what could POTENTIALLY come of draft picks. I want to watch good basketball now.

Re: Why would Love want to come here and why would we want him to?
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2014, 04:07:07 PM »

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Having Rondo and Love entices other players to want to come here now. Whose to say Carmelo won't look at Boston and say, "pretty good chance at a title right there."

I will never understand why anyone would be in favor of sucking for 5 years just to see what could POTENTIALLY come of draft picks. I want to watch good basketball now.

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Re: Why would Love want to come here and why would we want him to?
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2014, 04:09:48 PM »

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I will never understand why people read "we shouldn't trade away a ton of draft picks for Kevin Love" as "we should use those draft picks to draft rookies instead."

Please read this again.

You don't actually have to draft with all those picks.  You can move them in subsequent trade packages.

In order to get this team back to contendership, it's going to take more than Love.  More moves will have to be made. 

Those picks can also act as currency.

The point is not "we shouldn't trade picks for Kevin Love." The point is "we shouldn't trade too many picks for Kevin Love," which does not mean that the preferred plan is to use all of those remaining draft picks on prospective rookie players.
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Re: Why would Love want to come here and why would we want him to?
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2014, 04:34:45 PM »

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To answer the second part of your question:

Because he's a good player.

Also, I've got to admit.

These references to "giving up the farm" and "giving up great potential assets" are driving me insane!!!

If I can make a suggestion, let's ignore and forget the term asset and farm:

Let's just stick with this theory and/or breakdown:

We are giving up "playes and picks" for a really good player

Also, you have to deal value to receive value.

It looks like the terms "asset" and "farm" have taken on a life of their own.

Players, picks, cap space, etc. all have value in a relative sense.  All draft picks represent the opportunity to acquire young talent.  Would you trade all nine or ten of our 1st rounders over the next 5 years to acquire Love?  

I didn't think so....

Who said it's going to take 9-10 1st round picks to land Love?

Another strawman.

You guys are killing me.  Surely you're bright enough to understand that the point I was making is that picks have value as assets, not instead suggesting that it would take 10 picks to obtain him.  Simply unbelievable... ::) ::) ::)

Re: Why would Love want to come here and why would we want him to?
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2014, 04:36:40 PM »

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Having Rondo and Love entices other players to want to come here now. Whose to say Carmelo won't look at Boston and say, "pretty good chance at a title right there."

I will never understand why anyone would be in favor of sucking for 5 years just to see what could POTENTIALLY come of draft picks. I want to watch good basketball now.

How would you fit Rondo, Love and Carmelo under the cap??  What kind of a bench would you have?  Who's playing any defense with those three on the court?

Re: Why would Love want to come here and why would we want him to?
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2014, 04:37:18 PM »

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To answer the second part of your question:

Because he's a good player.

Also, I've got to admit.

These references to "giving up the farm" and "giving up great potential assets" are driving me insane!!!

If I can make a suggestion, let's ignore and forget the term asset and farm:

Let's just stick with this theory and/or breakdown:

We are giving up "playes and picks" for a really good player

Also, you have to deal value to receive value.

It looks like the terms "asset" and "farm" have taken on a life of their own.

Players, picks, cap space, etc. all have value in a relative sense.  All draft picks represent the opportunity to acquire young talent.  Would you trade all nine or ten of our 1st rounders over the next 5 years to acquire Love?  

I didn't think so....

Who said it's going to take 9-10 1st round picks to land Love?

Another strawman.

You guys are killing me.  Surely you're bright enough to understand that the point I was making is that picks have value as assets, not instead suggesting that it would take 10 picks to obtain him.  Simply unbelievable... ::) ::) ::)

It's not unbelievable, when other people keep screaming "THERE WILL BE NOTHING LEFT" after a Love trade.

Why bother asking that question anyways?
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Re: Why would Love want to come here and why would we want him to?
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2014, 04:38:23 PM »

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I will never understand why people read "we shouldn't trade away a ton of draft picks for Kevin Love" as "we should use those draft picks to draft rookies instead."

Please read this again.

You don't actually have to draft with all those picks.  You can move them in subsequent trade packages.

In order to get this team back to contendership, it's going to take more than Love.  More moves will have to be made. 

Those picks can also act as currency.

The point is not "we shouldn't trade picks for Kevin Love." The point is "we shouldn't trade too many picks for Kevin Love," which does not mean that the preferred plan is to use all of those remaining draft picks on prospective rookie players.

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Re: Why would Love want to come here and why would we want him to?
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2014, 04:39:52 PM »

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To answer the second part of your question:

Because he's a good player.

Also, I've got to admit.

These references to "giving up the farm" and "giving up great potential assets" are driving me insane!!!

If I can make a suggestion, let's ignore and forget the term asset and farm:

Let's just stick with this theory and/or breakdown:

We are giving up "playes and picks" for a really good player

Also, you have to deal value to receive value.

It looks like the terms "asset" and "farm" have taken on a life of their own.

Players, picks, cap space, etc. all have value in a relative sense.  All draft picks represent the opportunity to acquire young talent.  Would you trade all nine or ten of our 1st rounders over the next 5 years to acquire Love?  

I didn't think so....

Who said it's going to take 9-10 1st round picks to land Love?

Another strawman.

You guys are killing me.  Surely you're bright enough to understand that the point I was making is that picks have value as assets, not instead suggesting that it would take 10 picks to obtain him.  Simply unbelievable... ::) ::) ::)

It's not unbelievable, when other people keep screaming "THERE WILL BE NOTHING LEFT" after a Love trade.

Why bother asking that question anyways?

Correct, it's not unbelievable.  You are.  As for your question - asked and answered.

Re: Why would Love want to come here and why would we want him to?
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2014, 04:42:04 PM »

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To answer the second part of your question:

Because he's a good player.

Also, I've got to admit.

These references to "giving up the farm" and "giving up great potential assets" are driving me insane!!!

If I can make a suggestion, let's ignore and forget the term asset and farm:

Let's just stick with this theory and/or breakdown:

We are giving up "playes and picks" for a really good player

Also, you have to deal value to receive value.

It looks like the terms "asset" and "farm" have taken on a life of their own.

Players, picks, cap space, etc. all have value in a relative sense.  All draft picks represent the opportunity to acquire young talent.  Would you trade all nine or ten of our 1st rounders over the next 5 years to acquire Love?  

I didn't think so....

Who said it's going to take 9-10 1st round picks to land Love?

Another strawman.

You guys are killing me.  Surely you're bright enough to understand that the point I was making is that picks have value as assets, not instead suggesting that it would take 10 picks to obtain him.  Simply unbelievable... ::) ::) ::)

It's not unbelievable, when other people keep screaming "THERE WILL BE NOTHING LEFT" after a Love trade.

Why bother pointing out a strawman with a strawman? Are you unfamiliar with the phrase 'rhetorical question'?

More concerning: you're continually misrepresenting his position. I've read enough of your posts to know that  you're not stupid, so the question becomes -- why do you persist?
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Re: Why would Love want to come here and why would we want him to?
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2014, 04:46:31 PM »

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If I was a player, Kevin Love,  ( I am utterly biased towards the C's and I like Cold Weather), I would be attracted to playing for the Celtics because:

1) I would be the star immediately, the go to guy.
2) I would play for a brilliant young coach who almost won it all as a Mid Major twice.
3) I get plenty of shots with Rondo.
4) Great for all sports, baseball, basketball, hockey and football.
5) Rich tradition and franchise history
6) Team with good GM and some assets and flexibility
7) Great market that is large with lots of side income potential
8) Some of the best fans in the game
9) Deification follows 6 if your good.

Reasons not too come

1) Cold weather
2) California guy ( recall PP fan on draft night)
3) Young team that currently sucks


He has to be at least interested or is using us to force Minny's hand.