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« Reply #210 on: September 21, 2014, 11:32:08 PM »

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Perhaps in the future if a GM doesn't respond a response to both with "Do you confirm" could avoid the issue.

I'm sorry but I'm not going to do that.

If two of our GMs can't get me a confirmation message then either (a) one of them wasn't too into it, or (b) one of them isn't committed enough to be in this kind of league.

I honestly don't have the time or interest in chasing down GMs to make trades. I've got a full time job, a 2-year-old, a wife, a shift at the local radio station, a couple upcoming speaking gigs, and oh yeah? am a GM trying to make moves and trying to win this league too.

You've done all the things right as far as I can tell Eja. Sorry you're in this situation.
Come on man don't do that I have two children a full time job oh and I'm managing this team to win don't try to make your life more difficult than the next person oh and I am a nurse at a boston hospital.  So please don't do that.  I thought my pm to you pretty much said that the deal was done.  But I sent another I am committed to the league so please don't do that. We are All men here. Everyone is just trying to have fun in a fantasy basketball leagUe.

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« Reply #211 on: September 21, 2014, 11:47:54 PM »

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I can't believe I have to say this in the offseason.


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« Reply #212 on: September 22, 2014, 08:54:45 AM »

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This is pretty laidback as league drama goes.  Heck it looks like it might actually reach a satisfactory conclusion.


Meanwhile, Rusted Rims are looking to move up in the draft using some combination of the #25, #35 (from an unannounced trade), and Livio Jean-Charles, seen here sending Aaron Gordon home without supper, or even a stale Lunchable:




Other assets might be available but it'd take a pretty big jump in the order.  If you're looking for two prospects (or maybe even 3) for the price of one, don't hesitate, press that PM button now!
« Last Edit: September 22, 2014, 09:07:56 AM by foulweatherfan »

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« Reply #213 on: September 22, 2014, 09:28:31 AM »

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Perhaps in the future if a GM doesn't respond a response to both with "Do you confirm" could avoid the issue.

I'm sorry but I'm not going to do that.

If two of our GMs can't get me a confirmation message then either (a) one of them wasn't too into it, or (b) one of them isn't committed enough to be in this kind of league.

I honestly don't have the time or interest in chasing down GMs to make trades. I've got a full time job, a 2-year-old, a wife, a shift at the local radio station, a couple upcoming speaking gigs, and oh yeah? am a GM trying to make moves and trying to win this league too.

You've done all the things right as far as I can tell Eja. Sorry you're in this situation.
Come on man don't do that I have two children a full time job oh and I'm managing this team to win don't try to make your life more difficult than the next person oh and I am a nurse at a boston hospital.  So please don't do that.  I thought my pm to you pretty much said that the deal was done.  But I sent another I am committed to the league so please don't do that. We are All men here. Everyone is just trying to have fun in a fantasy basketball leagUe.


True that Jay. TP for you.

FWIW I was just trying to nip in the bud Eja's suggestion, not make my life out to be harder than anyone elses (and god help you with two kids  ;) if they're anything like my one whirling dervish). I wanted to be clear about the limits of what I'm going to do as commish.

I think it's safe to say that part of the reason that Lucky moved on was dealing with stuff like this trade -- so I'm trying to be direct and head things off early. I'm gonna chalk it all up to you being new to the league & probably busy, Eja getting nervous about the trade falling apart and me being the new commish.

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Re: GC's Yahoo! H2H League 2014 thread: Vote on Const. Amendments at Yahoo! page
« Reply #214 on: September 22, 2014, 09:35:09 AM »

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Amendments 1 and 2 passed

Amendments 3, 4, 5 and 6 failed.

Looks like we had 15 GMs voting and at least 3 GMs posting in the thread despite instructions to the contrary (though I know that if you use the Yahoo! fantasy app for the Iphone you have no way of voting in the polls).

I'll update the constitution later today.


These amendments have been proposed, discussed and seconded and will therefore be voted on from Sep. 18-21 on the Yahoo! league site.

additions in bold italic red
deletions are bold and struckthrough




Constitutional Amendment #1
Games Played Audit For Non-Playoff Teams (new article)
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Article 7. At the end of the season the commissioner will conduct an Games Played Audit of the 12 non-playoff teams. For each player with either an O-Rank or Season (total) Rank of 100 or better which misses more than 20 games that he plays in real life (i.e. Basketball Reference "games played" minus Y! Team Log "GP" > 20 games) that team shall be penalized 5 post-lottery draft spots. GMs may appeal this penalty to the league. Reversal requires an majority vote (i.e. 11 votes).

Proposed by Gainesville Celtic, seconded by Hpantazo
-- Amended to (a) O-Rank/Rank of 100 (instead of 150) and (b) added appeal provision






Constitutional Amendment #2
Maximum number of NA and Overseas Players (new articles)

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Article 19. Begining with the first day of the NBA season, each team may have a maximum of 2 players total listed as NA in the Y! system and/or overseas players as described in #18 above.

Article 20. There is no limit on the number of injured players a team may have on its 16-man roster.


Proposed by Gainesville Celtic, seconded by THE Walker Wiggle
-- Revised to clarify injured players and provide time frame.






Constitutional Amendment #3
Two Day Trade Review Period Instead of One (revised article)

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21. In-season trades shall have a two day 1 day approval period, to allow league GMs to review and exercise veto, if necessary. One-third of league GMs exercising veto power (e.g., at least 7) are required to overturn any trade. (Validated by league vote, summer 2012.)

Proposed by THE Walker Wiggle, seconded by Gainesville Celtic





Constitutional Amendment #4
Waiver Order Based on Regular Season Finish (revised article)

-------------------------------
22. Waivers will be 1 day and will be by a continual rolling list that does not carry over from year to year. Waiver order is reset at the beginning of each season to the reverse order of the first round of the draft, with the league Finalists from the previous season owning the waiver priority #1 and #2, followed by the highest regular season winning percentage teams from the previous season (except those teams that have improved their draft position based on lottery results), etc.

Proposed by THE Walker Wiggle, seconded by Gainesville Celtic





Constitutional Amendment #5
New GM Trading Moratorium (new article)

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8. Upon joining or rejoining the league, new GMs must wait 2 months before trading either their own 1st round pick or any top 50 player (by O-Rank) on their roster.

Proposed by Gainesville Celtic, seconded by The Walker Wiggle



Constitutional Amendment #6
Offseason Moratorium and Expanding When Future 1st Rounders Can Be Traded (new and revised articles)

-------------------------------

II. Offseason & Rookie Draft

9. There is a league-wide moratorium from June 1 to September 1, during which no trades will be processed. The moratorium will be lifted once all 20 GMs have confirmed return, any vacancies are filled or September 1, whichever is later.

10. The league will hold a rookie draft each season shortly after the NBA's Rookie Draft in the 2nd half of September.

11. Draft order is determined by the following:

  • A lottery will be held to determine the draft order for all 12 non-playoff teams. Each team will get assigned to a corresponding team in the NBA Lottery (where the last place team is assigned to last place NBA team, the second to last to the 2nd to last NBA, and so on). Each of these teams will have the chance to move into the top 3 of the draft, based on the chances of the corresponding NBA teams. As with the NBA draft, picks 4-12 will be in reverse order of finish. Therefore, the worst pick the team with the worst record can finish with is pick #4.
  • Picks 13-18 will be in the reverse order of finish, where the team with the lower winning percentage gets the lower # pick.
  • The league winner automatically gets #20 pick in the draft, regardless of regular season finish, and league runner-up gets the #19 pick.
  • Second round picks will be slotted in the reverse order of regular season finish, regardless of lottery results or Finals appearance.
12. The rookie draft will be held in in the 2nd half of September on the CelticsBlog.com forums. Any GM unable to participate can send the commissioner or a proxy an ordered list of picks to choose from.

13. Teams have 10 minutes to make 1st round picks; 5 minutes to make 2nd round picks.

14. The time listed next to each pick in the draft thread's original post is the time the pick is due. Any GM who fails to post a selection by the deadline and who has not sent the commissioner a sufficient list of preferences will be assigned the highest remaining ranked draft pick based on the results of the actual NBA draft from earlier that summer.

15. Future draft picks may be traded on draft day, butno further than one year into the future. This is also true for trades made after the draft or during the regular season. Picks for the following year's draft may be traded beginning with the lifting of the moratorium as descirbed in Article 9 above.

16. The period from the Rookie Draft to the League Cut Down Date, usually roughly two weeks before the start of the regular season, is the only time that teams may carry more than 16 players.

Proposed by Hpantazo, seconded/reformated by Gainesville Celtic
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« Reply #215 on: September 22, 2014, 10:05:05 AM »

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Perhaps in the future if a GM doesn't respond a response to both with "Do you confirm" could avoid the issue.

I'm sorry but I'm not going to do that.

If two of our GMs can't get me a confirmation message then either (a) one of them wasn't too into it, or (b) one of them isn't committed enough to be in this kind of league.

I honestly don't have the time or interest in chasing down GMs to make trades. I've got a full time job, a 2-year-old, a wife, a shift at the local radio station, a couple upcoming speaking gigs, and oh yeah? am a GM trying to make moves and trying to win this league too.

You've done all the things right as far as I can tell Eja. Sorry you're in this situation.
Come on man don't do that I have two children a full time job oh and I'm managing this team to win don't try to make your life more difficult than the next person oh and I am a nurse at a boston hospital.  So please don't do that.  I thought my pm to you pretty much said that the deal was done.  But I sent another I am committed to the league so please don't do that. We are All men here. Everyone is just trying to have fun in a fantasy basketball leagUe.


True that Jay. TP for you.

FWIW I was just trying to nip in the bud Eja's suggestion, not make my life out to be harder than anyone elses (and god help you with two kids  ;) if they're anything like my one whirling dervish). I wanted to be clear about the limits of what I'm going to do as commish.

I think it's safe to say that part of the reason that Lucky moved on was dealing with stuff like this trade -- so I'm trying to be direct and head things off early. I'm gonna chalk it all up to you being new to the league & probably busy, Eja getting nervous about the trade falling apart and me being the new commish.
It was the not knowing!

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« Reply #216 on: September 22, 2014, 10:14:30 AM »

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Amendments 1 and 2 passed

Amendments 3, 4, 5 and 6 failed.

Looks like we had 15 GMs voting and at least 3 GMs posting in the thread despite instructions to the contrary (though I know that if you use the Yahoo! fantasy app for the Iphone you have no way of voting in the polls).

I'll update the constitution later today.


These amendments have been proposed, discussed and seconded and will therefore be voted on from Sep. 18-21 on the Yahoo! league site.

additions in bold italic red
deletions are bold and struckthrough




Constitutional Amendment #1
Games Played Audit For Non-Playoff Teams (new article)
-------------------------------
Article 7. At the end of the season the commissioner will conduct an Games Played Audit of the 12 non-playoff teams. For each player with either an O-Rank or Season (total) Rank of 100 or better which misses more than 20 games that he plays in real life (i.e. Basketball Reference "games played" minus Y! Team Log "GP" > 20 games) that team shall be penalized 5 post-lottery draft spots. GMs may appeal this penalty to the league. Reversal requires an majority vote (i.e. 11 votes).

Proposed by Gainesville Celtic, seconded by Hpantazo
-- Amended to (a) O-Rank/Rank of 100 (instead of 150) and (b) added appeal provision






Constitutional Amendment #2
Maximum number of NA and Overseas Players (new articles)

-------------------------------
Article 19. Begining with the first day of the NBA season, each team may have a maximum of 2 players total listed as NA in the Y! system and/or overseas players as described in #18 above.

Article 20. There is no limit on the number of injured players a team may have on its 16-man roster.


Proposed by Gainesville Celtic, seconded by THE Walker Wiggle
-- Revised to clarify injured players and provide time frame.






Constitutional Amendment #3
Two Day Trade Review Period Instead of One (revised article)

-------------------------------
21. In-season trades shall have a two day 1 day approval period, to allow league GMs to review and exercise veto, if necessary. One-third of league GMs exercising veto power (e.g., at least 7) are required to overturn any trade. (Validated by league vote, summer 2012.)

Proposed by THE Walker Wiggle, seconded by Gainesville Celtic





Constitutional Amendment #4
Waiver Order Based on Regular Season Finish (revised article)

-------------------------------
22. Waivers will be 1 day and will be by a continual rolling list that does not carry over from year to year. Waiver order is reset at the beginning of each season to the reverse order of the first round of the draft, with the league Finalists from the previous season owning the waiver priority #1 and #2, followed by the highest regular season winning percentage teams from the previous season (except those teams that have improved their draft position based on lottery results), etc.

Proposed by THE Walker Wiggle, seconded by Gainesville Celtic





Constitutional Amendment #5
New GM Trading Moratorium (new article)

-------------------------------
8. Upon joining or rejoining the league, new GMs must wait 2 months before trading either their own 1st round pick or any top 50 player (by O-Rank) on their roster.

Proposed by Gainesville Celtic, seconded by The Walker Wiggle



Constitutional Amendment #6
Offseason Moratorium and Expanding When Future 1st Rounders Can Be Traded (new and revised articles)

-------------------------------

II. Offseason & Rookie Draft

9. There is a league-wide moratorium from June 1 to September 1, during which no trades will be processed. The moratorium will be lifted once all 20 GMs have confirmed return, any vacancies are filled or September 1, whichever is later.

10. The league will hold a rookie draft each season shortly after the NBA's Rookie Draft in the 2nd half of September.

11. Draft order is determined by the following:

  • A lottery will be held to determine the draft order for all 12 non-playoff teams. Each team will get assigned to a corresponding team in the NBA Lottery (where the last place team is assigned to last place NBA team, the second to last to the 2nd to last NBA, and so on). Each of these teams will have the chance to move into the top 3 of the draft, based on the chances of the corresponding NBA teams. As with the NBA draft, picks 4-12 will be in reverse order of finish. Therefore, the worst pick the team with the worst record can finish with is pick #4.
  • Picks 13-18 will be in the reverse order of finish, where the team with the lower winning percentage gets the lower # pick.
  • The league winner automatically gets #20 pick in the draft, regardless of regular season finish, and league runner-up gets the #19 pick.
  • Second round picks will be slotted in the reverse order of regular season finish, regardless of lottery results or Finals appearance.
12. The rookie draft will be held in in the 2nd half of September on the CelticsBlog.com forums. Any GM unable to participate can send the commissioner or a proxy an ordered list of picks to choose from.

13. Teams have 10 minutes to make 1st round picks; 5 minutes to make 2nd round picks.

14. The time listed next to each pick in the draft thread's original post is the time the pick is due. Any GM who fails to post a selection by the deadline and who has not sent the commissioner a sufficient list of preferences will be assigned the highest remaining ranked draft pick based on the results of the actual NBA draft from earlier that summer.

15. Future draft picks may be traded on draft day, butno further than one year into the future. This is also true for trades made after the draft or during the regular season. Picks for the following year's draft may be traded beginning with the lifting of the moratorium as descirbed in Article 9 above.

16. The period from the Rookie Draft to the League Cut Down Date, usually roughly two weeks before the start of the regular season, is the only time that teams may carry more than 16 players.

Proposed by Hpantazo, seconded/reformated by Gainesville Celtic
I think every amendment got a majority and should be brought back to tweek and rediscuss in the future.

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« Reply #217 on: September 22, 2014, 10:24:17 AM »

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Big TP to GC for running an organized and well executed amendment voting process!

Myself and the rest of the Utah Flash front office are very much enjoying the GC commissioner era.

Mk


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« Reply #218 on: September 22, 2014, 10:25:16 AM »

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Big TP to GC for running an organized and well executed amendment voting process!

Myself and the rest of the Utah Flash front office are very much enjoying the GC commissioner era.

Mk

You've been placed on double secret probation sir. 8)
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« Reply #219 on: September 22, 2014, 10:41:17 AM »

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Big TP to GC for running an organized and well executed amendment voting process!

Myself and the rest of the Utah Flash front office are very much enjoying the GC commissioner era.

Mk

You've been placed on double secret probation sir. 8)
Nooooooo!

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« Reply #220 on: September 22, 2014, 10:52:15 AM »

Offline mkogav

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Big TP to GC for running an organized and well executed amendment voting process!

Myself and the rest of the Utah Flash front office are very much enjoying the GC commissioner era.

Mk

You've been placed on double secret probation sir. 8)


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« Reply #221 on: September 22, 2014, 11:22:45 AM »

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Nice. Very nice.
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« Reply #222 on: September 22, 2014, 11:34:44 AM »

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So when do we get to hear about this blockbuster trade that almost wasn't?  I need to get my next wave of memes lined up.

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« Reply #223 on: September 22, 2014, 11:35:57 AM »

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So when do we get to hear about this blockbuster trade that almost wasn't?  I need to get my next wave of memes lined up.
I'd like to request some game of thrones memes. A couple James Bonds. A few Muppets. Possibly a Sesame Street.

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« Reply #224 on: September 22, 2014, 11:37:53 AM »

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