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Well, my stab at Gortat (IDEA)
« on: May 17, 2014, 02:49:51 PM »

Offline Al91

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I know this is a topic that has been discussed ad naseum for what feels like two-three seasons at this point but I follow the Wiz on Bleacher Report and an alert recently sprung up on my phone regarding their one year rental, Gortat. The article reports that Gortat would "love to" consider a return to Washington during this upcoming off-season as he has just completed the final year of his contract.

Of note, however, was his reasoning for potentially returning to Washington (or for that matter leaving for another team). Gortat (and I'm paraphrasing) lists John Wall's skill and development as one of the primary reasons he will have for staying or leaving. Gortat prefers to play with a point guard that passes, without specifically saying he would be disappointed in playing with a shoot-first guard along the likes of Rose, Westbrook, etc. Well of course my thoughts landed on Rondo and the Celtics. We seem to have a point guard labeled as the best passer in the league and a gaping hole at center.

I know, Gortat is getting older but has seemed to be relatively injury free as far as I know as his career has taken him from Orlando to Phoenix and Washington. Obviously we have the albatross contract in Wallace but do you think these remarks, and a phone call/visit from the Celtics brass may give Gortat a reason to finally land in Boston? What do the numbers look like in comparison to what I remember Gortat receiving this year, somewhere between $8-10mil I believe?

Link to the article, courtesy of CBS Sports:
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24565251/marcin-gortat-i-would-love-to-be-back-here-on-this-team

EDIT:

Forgot to mention why I even like Gortat on the Cs. Despite us not being a "real contender next year", I see Gortat as the two-way center we could utilize in addition to a couple roster changes and draft picks that could make us more than a team with a couple of entertaining wins next year. I think his locker room presence would be nice too, especially if we nab my dark-horse draft candidate, PJ Hairston, somewhere in Round 1.
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Re: Well, my stab at Gortat
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2014, 03:11:13 PM »

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I've made it clear on this blog that I love Gortat and would love for the Cs to nab him. He's been relatively injury-free in his career, is above-average on offense and defense, a good rebounder, a physical presence, and still only 30.
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Re: Well, my stab at Gortat
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2014, 03:25:22 PM »

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How do we get the money to sign him?  Sign and trade with Jeff Green plus a terminable contract or two?

Re: Well, my stab at Gortat
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2014, 03:26:46 PM »

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How do we get the money to sign him?  Sign and trade with Jeff Green plus a terminable contract or two?

If we dont resign hump we'll have plenty of cap space to bring him in...

Re: Well, my stab at Gortat
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2014, 03:30:01 PM »

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How do we get the money to sign him?  Sign and trade with Jeff Green plus a terminable contract or two?

It would likely be the PP trade exception (around 10 mil) and our #17 first round pick this year to land him .

If we luck out and get Wiggins or Parker and add Gortat , that is instantly a top 4-5 team in the east

PG: Rondo                  /
SG: Bradley                /
SF: Wiggins or Parker/ Green
PF: Sully                     / Bass
 C: Gortat                  / KO

Re: Well, my stab at Gortat
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2014, 03:31:26 PM »

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In regards to signing him, I'm not terribly informed about how Bogans's salary could help/hurt us this off-season (as in being a useful trade tool or not) but besides Bogans I believe Bayless is at the end of his contract as well. We also have that flurry of non-guaranteed deals like Babb, Johnson, etc. Could maybe get rid of Fav too.

My steadfast willingness to wait-and-see with Green is quickly waning. If you had to tell me that we could somehow make a dream trade work in exporting Green, Faverani, and the trade exception in a sign-and-trade with Washington for Gortat and Ariza, I'd do it. However, I think Ariza and Gortat both fall under those "career year" types that we should always be wary of. Not to mention I doubt Washington would get rid of Ariza if they have any say in re-signing him themselves.
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Re: Well, my stab at Gortat
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2014, 04:46:16 PM »

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How do we get the money to sign him?  Sign and trade with Jeff Green plus a terminable contract or two?

It would likely be the PP trade exception (around 10 mil) and our #17 first round pick this year to land him .

If we luck out and get Wiggins or Parker and add Gortat , that is instantly a top 4-5 team in the east

PG: Rondo                  /
SG: Bradley                /
SF: Wiggins or Parker/ Green
PF: Sully                     / Bass
 C: Gortat                  / KO

I don't think any starting lineup consisting of Avery Bradley makes a team a 4th or 5th in the East contender.

I've always loved Gortat, he is great on both sides of the floor and by far fills our needs in the Center slot. He would easily be given a starting job and big minutes to be a star player in Boston which might entice him...

However... He's got a really great thing going in Washington with a great squad. If they stay in tact or upgrade their SF slot, I see it awfully hard for Gortat to leave that situation.

Re: Well, my stab at Gortat (IDEA)
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2014, 05:25:53 PM »

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He's a free agent and Washington has his Bird rights.  I suspect that the way to get Gortat is to clear enough cap space to sign him to a deal that Washington is not interested in matching.
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Re: Well, my stab at Gortat (IDEA)
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2014, 05:51:50 PM »

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I would much rather see people put their energy into Gortat threads than Asik.
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Re: Well, my stab at Gortat (IDEA)
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2014, 07:07:45 PM »

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He's a free agent and Washington has his Bird rights.  I suspect that the way to get Gortat is to clear enough cap space to sign him to a deal that Washington is not interested in matching.

If it's under the Pierce TPE, I bet washington would take the 2016 Miami second rounder to facilitate.

Re: Well, my stab at Gortat (IDEA)
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2014, 07:35:23 PM »

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He's a free agent and Washington has his Bird rights.  I suspect that the way to get Gortat is to clear enough cap space to sign him to a deal that Washington is not interested in matching.

There's the issue.

Washington gave up their first rounder so they are fully prepared to get into a bidding war for his services.

I have a feeling whoever "wins" that bidding war, is going to end up with an overpaid Gortat.
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Re: Well, my stab at Gortat (IDEA)
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2014, 08:32:40 PM »

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This is exactly the wrong team and wrong time to go after Gortat.

And this is coming from someone who's been a "fan" of Gortat since Orlando (Fan in that I think he'd been underrated, undervalued, fairly paid, and obtainable, a very rare combination). He would have been PERFECT to get (and would have been gettable) the second Perkins left. Of course at that time, when he was suggested as a trade target (and even as recently as this past offseason), the majority of posters said he was overrated, a career loser, a backup, a soft euro, etc. So what happens? A team that was a good fit for him traded for him (and probably paid more than they had to with a big expiring and a 2014 first rounder to a team that was begging to get rid of assets like him at the time), and he did exactly the same stuff he always does, but with better teammates in a bad division, so now he's a "playoff experienced winner" and a free agent and on everyone's radar, so now is when you DON'T want to go after him, especially as a young team with no discernable window for competition. The Gortat ship sailed when we disbanded the Big 3/Big 4 and when he went to a different playoff contender to prove his worth; should have gotten him when it could have been 3 years of Rondo/Allen/Pierce/KG/Gortat, but that was laughed off the table. I think I even once proposed a Rondo for Dragic/Gortat that got utterly lambasted. Now that he's proven his worth, he should no longer be a target unless you are trying to win in 1-3 years.

Now is when Gortat either gets overrated and overpaid, or steps into a real contender with a hole at center (OKC, Miami, etc.).

Re: Well, my stab at Gortat (IDEA)
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2014, 08:56:18 PM »

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This is exactly the wrong team and wrong time to go after Gortat.

And this is coming from someone who's been a "fan" of Gortat since Orlando (Fan in that I think he'd been underrated, undervalued, fairly paid, and obtainable, a very rare combination). He would have been PERFECT to get (and would have been gettable) the second Perkins left. Of course at that time, when he was suggested as a trade target (and even as recently as this past offseason), the majority of posters said he was overrated, a career loser, a backup, a soft euro, etc. So what happens? A team that was a good fit for him traded for him (and probably paid more than they had to with a big expiring and a 2014 first rounder to a team that was begging to get rid of assets like him at the time), and he did exactly the same stuff he always does, but with better teammates in a bad division, so now he's a "playoff experienced winner" and a free agent and on everyone's radar, so now is when you DON'T want to go after him, especially as a young team with no discernable window for competition. The Gortat ship sailed when we disbanded the Big 3/Big 4 and when he went to a different playoff contender to prove his worth; should have gotten him when it could have been 3 years of Rondo/Allen/Pierce/KG/Gortat, but that was laughed off the table. I think I even once proposed a Rondo for Dragic/Gortat that got utterly lambasted. Now that he's proven his worth, he should no longer be a target unless you are trying to win in 1-3 years.

Now is when Gortat either gets overrated and overpaid, or steps into a real contender with a hole at center (OKC, Miami, etc.).

Yup.

Re: Well, my stab at Gortat (IDEA)
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2014, 12:07:22 AM »

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He's a free agent and Washington has his Bird rights.  I suspect that the way to get Gortat is to clear enough cap space to sign him to a deal that Washington is not interested in matching.

If it's under the Pierce TPE, I bet washington would take the 2016 Miami second rounder to facilitate.

Do you really think that Washington would prefer to to trade Gortat rather than sign him to the largest possible deal that fits into the TPE?
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Re: Well, my stab at Gortat (IDEA)
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2014, 12:51:42 AM »

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He's a free agent and Washington has his Bird rights.  I suspect that the way to get Gortat is to clear enough cap space to sign him to a deal that Washington is not interested in matching.

If it's under the Pierce TPE, I bet washington would take the 2016 Miami second rounder to facilitate.

Do you really think that Washington would prefer to to trade Gortat rather than sign him to the largest possible deal that fits into the TPE?

I live in DC.  I have heard nothing in the sports media here that makes me think they expect the Wizards to bring him back.  I don't follow the wizards closely enough to know if it's for performance, desire to go another direction (NeNe at the 5?), or the feeling that he'll be too expensive, but from what I have heard the expectation is that he's gone.  If I had to pick one it would be that they want to save their cap room ($15 million approx) for a bigger free agent.

So yes, I do think that.