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Re: Identifying the next 'KG' and 'Ray'
« Reply #45 on: April 24, 2014, 08:07:58 PM »

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Ray Allen was coming off an ankle injury that lowered his value somewhat and he was also 32 years old as people have mentioned. That's why he was available for what some may consider a low price. I tend to think regardless of the perceived weakness of that draft, it was a fair trade. It was a real possibility at the time that he wouldn't age as gracefully as he ended up doing.

I recall hearing that part of the reason they moved Allen was because the Sonics felt he would stunt Durant's growth as he would be taking the most shots and the offense run through him.

I was talking about why he was available for a low or fair price, not why he was available in the first place. Yes, the Sonics were rebuilding once they got Durant and keeping Ray didn't make much sense, nor would Ray have likely had much interest waiting for the Sonics to develop.

Re: Identifying the next 'KG' and 'Ray'
« Reply #46 on: April 24, 2014, 08:15:46 PM »

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Brow and Beal maybe untouchable.

The one we should target is Kevin Love. It will be a hard sell, but he is attainable. Then we target Omer Asik for defense.

They are not the next KG and Ray, but with an in form Rondo, thats a core of a Playoff team, if not, very, very close.

We start from there. With Asik and Love we can control the boards. Love can drop 20 a night and Rondo will add maybe around 30 points from his scores and assists. We will get a rim protector in Asik.

And then its just a matter of drafting smart (if we stil have the picks) and signing those "veterans". But those three is a very solid core that is a piece or two away from competing for a ring.

They are much more plausible to acquire than Beal and Davis.
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Re: Identifying the next 'KG' and 'Ray'
« Reply #47 on: April 24, 2014, 08:18:40 PM »

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Anthony Davis is the next KG....

and the next paul pierce is probably Jabari Parker.
Steph curry = ray allen


Re: Identifying the next 'KG' and 'Ray'
« Reply #48 on: April 24, 2014, 08:40:13 PM »

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I think Love is the "Ray Allen" that we get for the 5th and 17th pick and Jeff Green and Sullinger. 

Then I think you hope Carmelo opts out and becomes the 3rd piece ala KG. 

Rondo
AB
Carmello
Love
KO

That lineup will win a championship.   

Re: Identifying the next 'KG' and 'Ray'
« Reply #49 on: April 24, 2014, 09:13:37 PM »

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The one we should target is Kevin Love. It will be a hard sell, but he is attainable. Then we target Omer Asik for defense.

I doubt that Love is going to force his way to Boston Melo-style, so the only way he gets traded is if he makes clear that he declining his player option and leaving Minnesota through free agency.  The only way Boston gets him is if Ainge is willing to give the T-Wolves way more than what is justified for a one-year rental of Love out of the belief that he can convince Love to stay in Boston.
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Re: Identifying the next 'KG' and 'Ray'
« Reply #50 on: April 24, 2014, 09:24:48 PM »

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Next players not counting the 100's of draft picks ainge has us set up for,
Kg.....love or Noah
Ray anyone who can space floor.  I love what Ray brought us overall but his defense dropped off after a few years.  I thought Gerald Henderson kid would be better on different team.
Side note if Chicago goes down to bullets can we get Noah and Heinrich as our combo guard off bench?

Re: Identifying the next 'KG' and 'Ray'
« Reply #51 on: April 24, 2014, 09:25:27 PM »

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I'm considerably more interested in identifying the next Paul Pierce.
But I mean... that's basically what Rondo is.  We already have that slot filled...   All-star level talent without a superstar leader (KG) and an equal (Ray).
No, not really. Paul Pierce was a go-to guy who needed the right type of help.  Rondo is the right type of help who needs a go-to guy. See the difference?

  Sure, when "the right type of help" is a player close to his level and another player that's significantly better than him. Give that to Rondo and we'll be golden.
Right, let's give him DeRozan/Joe Johnson and Kevin Love and see how he'll fare.
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Re: Identifying the next 'KG' and 'Ray'
« Reply #52 on: April 24, 2014, 10:04:50 PM »

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I'm considerably more interested in identifying the next Paul Pierce.
But I mean... that's basically what Rondo is.  We already have that slot filled...   All-star level talent without a superstar leader (KG) and an equal (Ray).
No, not really. Paul Pierce was a go-to guy who needed the right type of help.  Rondo is the right type of help who needs a go-to guy. See the difference?

  Sure, when "the right type of help" is a player close to his level and another player that's significantly better than him. Give that to Rondo and we'll be golden.
Right, let's give him DeRozan/Joe Johnson and Kevin Love and see how he'll fare.

   As good as Pierce would have if not better.

Re: Identifying the next 'KG' and 'Ray'
« Reply #53 on: April 24, 2014, 11:04:53 PM »

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Ray Allen was coming off an ankle injury that lowered his value somewhat and he was also 32 years old as people have mentioned. That's why he was available for what some may consider a low price. I tend to think regardless of the perceived weakness of that draft, it was a fair trade. It was a real possibility at the time that he wouldn't age as gracefully as he ended up doing.

I recall hearing that part of the reason they moved Allen was because the Sonics felt he would stunt Durant's growth as he would be taking the most shots and the offense run through him.

  I'd guess they wanted him away from Durant because they'd seen the same ego/jealousy things that apparently came out here.

Re: Identifying the next 'KG' and 'Ray'
« Reply #54 on: April 24, 2014, 11:30:12 PM »

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I think Love is the "Ray Allen" that we get for the 5th and 17th pick and Jeff Green and Sullinger. 

Then I think you hope Carmelo opts out and becomes the 3rd piece ala KG. 

Rondo
AB
Carmello
Love
KO

That lineup will win a championship.   
trade AB with anyone and you get the all-nba no defense team.

Re: Identifying the next 'KG' and 'Ray'
« Reply #55 on: April 25, 2014, 12:12:42 AM »

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Ray Allen was coming off an ankle injury that lowered his value somewhat and he was also 32 years old as people have mentioned. That's why he was available for what some may consider a low price. I tend to think regardless of the perceived weakness of that draft, it was a fair trade. It was a real possibility at the time that he wouldn't age as gracefully as he ended up doing.

I recall hearing that part of the reason they moved Allen was because the Sonics felt he would stunt Durant's growth as he would be taking the most shots and the offense run through him.

  I'd guess they wanted him away from Durant because they'd seen the same ego/jealousy things that apparently came out here.

I'm pretty sure it was because they wanted the team to be as bad as possible to facilitate a move out of Seattle.
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Re: Identifying the next 'KG' and 'Ray'
« Reply #56 on: April 25, 2014, 12:21:55 AM »

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Ray Allen was coming off an ankle injury that lowered his value somewhat and he was also 32 years old as people have mentioned. That's why he was available for what some may consider a low price. I tend to think regardless of the perceived weakness of that draft, it was a fair trade. It was a real possibility at the time that he wouldn't age as gracefully as he ended up doing.

I recall hearing that part of the reason they moved Allen was because the Sonics felt he would stunt Durant's growth as he would be taking the most shots and the offense run through him.

  I'd guess they wanted him away from Durant because they'd seen the same ego/jealousy things that apparently came out here.

I'm pretty sure it was because they wanted the team to be as bad as possible to facilitate a move out of Seattle.

He also had three years at around sixty million on his deal.


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Re: Identifying the next 'KG' and 'Ray'
« Reply #57 on: April 25, 2014, 07:26:38 AM »

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Ray Allen was coming off an ankle injury that lowered his value somewhat and he was also 32 years old as people have mentioned. That's why he was available for what some may consider a low price. I tend to think regardless of the perceived weakness of that draft, it was a fair trade. It was a real possibility at the time that he wouldn't age as gracefully as he ended up doing.

I recall hearing that part of the reason they moved Allen was because the Sonics felt he would stunt Durant's growth as he would be taking the most shots and the offense run through him.

  I'd guess they wanted him away from Durant because they'd seen the same ego/jealousy things that apparently came out here.

I'm pretty sure it was because they wanted the team to be as bad as possible to facilitate a move out of Seattle.

  And to add some high draft picks to build around KD.

Re: Identifying the next 'KG' and 'Ray'
« Reply #58 on: April 25, 2014, 07:33:26 AM »

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Anthony Davis is the next KG....

and the next paul pierce is probably Jabari Parker.
Steph curry = ray allen

I LOVE this. No way we'd have the currency to get all 3.

Re: Identifying the next 'KG' and 'Ray'
« Reply #59 on: April 26, 2014, 08:52:21 PM »

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Thon? As talented as he is/will be - he will need some seasoning, just like KG/Joakim.

GF1819- I couldn't help but laugh out loud when I read this. Thon Maker is barely out of diapers.