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Re: Ainge: "Groundwork has been laid" for possible summer deals
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2014, 02:33:35 PM »

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I felt like with Phili just giving away players at the trade deadline, that it took all the value out of any of the assets that we had (like Bass for example).  I also think that the market was down on Rondo so Danny just decided to wait on that front.

I can't say I have any idea of what was being talked about but based on past history, I would suspect that Danny had talks going on all fronts and it makes sense that he would be able to pick up on these talks once all of the draft slots are settled and all of the players have declared.

Another factor is whether or not Rondo signs an extension.  If it is clear that he is going to "test" free agency, I think Danny trades him and will be able to get good value back for him.

Re: Ainge: "Groundwork has been laid" for possible summer deals
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2014, 02:53:53 PM »

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I think the groundwork is on several possible deals, with the understanding that most of them are contingent upon where the Celtics draft in the lottery.  My guess is that if it's a top 3 or 4  pick then Danny is going to keep it, but anything else and he'll trade it.  If so, he likely has 2 or 3 possible deals lined up for teams who greatly value Aaron Gordon, Vonleh, Marcus Smart, etc.

Re: Ainge: "Groundwork has been laid" for possible summer deals
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2014, 03:07:08 PM »

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A lot easier to agree to an Asik type deal during the offseason.  We didn't want to fill one our team's gaping needs while we were in the midst of successfully tanking to a Top 8 pick.


Re: Ainge: "Groundwork has been laid" for possible summer deals
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2014, 03:17:15 PM »

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"We’ll start having them once the season ends, because we really can’t do anything until the whole season ends. I think that the groundwork has been laid potentially for some deals this summer, but no guarantees,” he said. “We did our trading at the trade deadline just a month before the trade deadline this year. But we were trying to do those types of deals where we could free up some flexibility and acquire assets, and we felt like we took advantage of a couple of opportunities that would help us down the road. But they happened a month before the actual trade deadline. We still were trying to do another deal or two before the deadline and weren’t able to get it done.

Since we can't talk about the Celtics in the playoffs, it seems offseason chatter will begin early this year.

Heard this tidbit from Ainge's recent appearance on "Toucher and Rich".

Any ideas what type of "groundwork" has been laid for possible deals?

I think the highlighted comments allude to a resuscitated deal with Houston for Asik. There were plenty of rumors mid-season about such a deal being close to completion, but the two teams "weren't able to get it done."

Teams that are not in the playoffs can make trades right now; that first comment makes me think that groundwork has been laid with one or more playoff teams (again, Houston). And, as others have pointed out, the results of the draft lottery won't be known for another month.

I'd hope that Ainge won't trade that top-8 pick unless he's getting back a bigger fish than Asik, though. Hopefully, Ainge is alluding to a second, larger scenario.
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Re: Ainge: "Groundwork has been laid" for possible summer deals
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2014, 04:08:03 PM »

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"We’ll start having them once the season ends, because we really can’t do anything until the whole season ends. I think that the groundwork has been laid potentially for some deals this summer, but no guarantees,” he said. “We did our trading at the trade deadline just a month before the trade deadline this year. But we were trying to do those types of deals where we could free up some flexibility and acquire assets, and we felt like we took advantage of a couple of opportunities that would help us down the road. But they happened a month before the actual trade deadline. We still were trying to do another deal or two before the deadline and weren’t able to get it done.

Since we can't talk about the Celtics in the playoffs, it seems offseason chatter will begin early this year.

Heard this tidbit from Ainge's recent appearance on "Toucher and Rich".

Any ideas what type of "groundwork" has been laid for possible deals?

I think the highlighted comments allude to a resuscitated deal with Houston for Asik. There were plenty of rumors mid-season about such a deal being close to completion, but the two teams "weren't able to get it done."

Teams that are not in the playoffs can make trades right now; that first comment makes me think that groundwork has been laid with one or more playoff teams (again, Houston). And, as others have pointed out, the results of the draft lottery won't be known for another month.

I'd hope that Ainge won't trade that top-8 pick unless he's getting back a bigger fish than Asik, though. Hopefully, Ainge is alluding to a second, larger scenario.

I agree, which is why we should root like crazy against the Rox in the playoffs, hope Asik plays like crap and that they become desperate to improve so that their investments in Harden and Howard become an impetus to unload Asik for assets.

Morey's sharp, but Houston ownership maybe not so much.

Hard to think that a vet like Bass, or even Green as a third option wouldn't have bettered this team for this year. They got greedy holding out for a first rounder that they never were going to get.

Also, kinda surprised the Nets didn't go after Bass, specifically because of his positive history with KG and PP. Bass absolutely coulda helped them.

Re: Ainge: "Groundwork has been laid" for possible summer deals
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2014, 05:27:54 PM »

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Lots of people assuming he was talking about an asik type deal.  Just as likely the groundwork was laid for a rondo trade.  Who knows.

Re: Ainge: "Groundwork has been laid" for possible summer deals
« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2014, 05:41:26 PM »

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It's hard to tell what's going through Ainge's mind. I'm sure he has multiple scenarios, with Plan A likely being "quickly rebuild with a huge trade".

Unfortunately I don't see a trade like that presenting itself (I'm not convinced KLove or Melo will go to the C's). I don't know what Plan B, C, and onwards will be. However, I do think Ainge will know which gameplay to utilize come lottery day.
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Re: Ainge: "Groundwork has been laid" for possible summer deals
« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2014, 06:32:09 PM »

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Lots of people assuming he was talking about an asik type deal.  Just as likely the groundwork was laid for a rondo trade.  Who knows.

Very true.

Asik seems like the obvious answer but I'm sure Ainge and others has at least discussed this path.
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Re: Ainge: "Groundwork has been laid" for possible summer deals
« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2014, 08:03:30 PM »

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I look at this season as a success. our goals were to acquire assets, be flexible enough to make moves for the off season or build through the draft, develop the young guys, & get Brad Stevens acclimated to the NBA. we did all of this.

I am completely shocked we weren't able to move bass, more shocked no playoff team wouldn't jump at taking him as he could have helped a playoff team needing PF depth. i'm wondering if the clippers would have if they could trade with us instead of going after big baby.

if we aren't able to make some moves this summer then i'll start to worry a little. though I think we'll be in better position next yr. with more expiring contracts.

I thought the Celtics aren't allowed to deal with the Clippers after that offseason fiasco with sending KG/PP/Doc to Clipperland for DeAndre Jordan and co.

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Re: Ainge: "Groundwork has been laid" for possible summer deals
« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2014, 08:29:40 PM »

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Lots of people assuming he was talking about an asik type deal.  Just as likely the groundwork was laid for a rondo trade.  Who knows.

I think the lottery will determine Rondo's fate and our future. If we land a top 3 pick, I expect Rondo to be traded on draft night and we go with a young core. If we end up with the 4th, 5th, or 6th pick range, then I expect Ainge to trade the pick and other assets to build a vet core immediately around Rondo.

He may have laid the groundwork for all of these scenarios already and has a good feel for what he can get in either direction.

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« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2014, 09:13:56 PM »

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Lots of people assuming he was talking about an asik type deal.  Just as likely the groundwork was laid for a rondo trade.  Who knows.

I think the lottery will determine Rondo's fate and our future. If we land a top 3 pick, I expect Rondo to be traded on draft night and we go with a young core. If we end up with the 4th, 5th, or 6th pick range, then I expect Ainge to trade the pick and other assets to build a vet core immediately around Rondo.

He may have laid the groundwork for all of these scenarios already and has a good feel for what he can get in either direction.

Something just seems counterintuitive about trying to get competitive only if you get a lower pick (and therefore a worse asset).

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« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2014, 09:17:52 PM »

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Lots of people assuming he was talking about an asik type deal.  Just as likely the groundwork was laid for a rondo trade.  Who knows.

I think the lottery will determine Rondo's fate and our future. If we land a top 3 pick, I expect Rondo to be traded on draft night and we go with a young core. If we end up with the 4th, 5th, or 6th pick range, then I expect Ainge to trade the pick and other assets to build a vet core immediately around Rondo.

He may have laid the groundwork for all of these scenarios already and has a good feel for what he can get in either direction.

Something just seems counterintuitive about trying to get competitive only if you get a lower pick (and therefore a worse asset).

It's the logical move. We are trying to get competitive either way. Ainge already alluded to this in his comments.

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« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2014, 09:19:22 PM »

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Lots of people assuming he was talking about an asik type deal.  Just as likely the groundwork was laid for a rondo trade.  Who knows.

I think the lottery will determine Rondo's fate and our future. If we land a top 3 pick, I expect Rondo to be traded on draft night and we go with a young core. If we end up with the 4th, 5th, or 6th pick range, then I expect Ainge to trade the pick and other assets to build a vet core immediately around Rondo.

He may have laid the groundwork for all of these scenarios already and has a good feel for what he can get in either direction.

Something just seems counterintuitive about trying to get competitive only if you get a lower pick (and therefore a worse asset).

Only if you think it's a good idea to trade Wiggins, Parker, or Embiid to compete for a title sooner.
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« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2014, 09:21:19 PM »

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Lots of people assuming he was talking about an asik type deal.  Just as likely the groundwork was laid for a rondo trade.  Who knows.

I think the lottery will determine Rondo's fate and our future. If we land a top 3 pick, I expect Rondo to be traded on draft night and we go with a young core. If we end up with the 4th, 5th, or 6th pick range, then I expect Ainge to trade the pick and other assets to build a vet core immediately around Rondo.

He may have laid the groundwork for all of these scenarios already and has a good feel for what he can get in either direction.

Something just seems counterintuitive about trying to get competitive only if you get a lower pick (and therefore a worse asset).

  I'd agree with this. If the pick isn't good enough to be a key piece on a contender in the next few years then he's not someone you can build around.

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« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2014, 09:16:28 AM »

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Lots of people assuming he was talking about an asik type deal.  Just as likely the groundwork was laid for a rondo trade.  Who knows.

I think the lottery will determine Rondo's fate and our future. If we land a top 3 pick, I expect Rondo to be traded on draft night and we go with a young core. If we end up with the 4th, 5th, or 6th pick range, then I expect Ainge to trade the pick and other assets to build a vet core immediately around Rondo.

He may have laid the groundwork for all of these scenarios already and has a good feel for what he can get in either direction.

Something just seems counterintuitive about trying to get competitive only if you get a lower pick (and therefore a worse asset).

I think HP is seeing it in the same way the 2007 draft played out.

If we ended up with a top-two pick there, it's possible / probable we would have built around that pick and traded Pierce.

Falling back in the draft led to us to scrapping the "build through the draft" plan, and cashing in our assets to win immediately.


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