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Re: Jeff Green: I can't do it alone
« Reply #90 on: April 17, 2014, 03:43:06 PM »

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Jeff Green couldn't get it done in previous seasons because he was deferred too much to better players like Pierce and KG, and now that he's playing with a bunch of lesser guys he can't get it done because he's "all alone."  I'm really not sure what the third option is.

I don't know who makes more excuses for Green; his apologists around Celticsblog, or Jeff Green himself. 

Re: Jeff Green: I can't do it alone
« Reply #91 on: April 17, 2014, 03:48:47 PM »

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Jeff Green couldn't get it done in previous seasons because he was deferred too much to better players like Pierce and KG, and now that he's playing with a bunch of lesser guys he can't get it done because he's "all alone."  I'm really not sure what the third option is.

I don't know who makes more excuses for Green; his apologists around Celticsblog, or Jeff Green himself.

Really?! Defending means "making excuses" for him. Maybe if his dis tractors didn't come off as hyperbolic and having unrealistic expectations for him. At least Green knows who he is as a player.

Re: Jeff Green: I can't do it alone
« Reply #92 on: April 17, 2014, 03:50:15 PM »

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He's a 3rd/4th banana.  If you trot him out there with an alpha dog & Rondo, then I'm pretty content although its still mind-boogling how he can disappear at times.

The people who thought he was taking to be the next Pierce were completely misguided to begin with.  Those expectations were set too high and were never realistic if you went off his track record.  Very, very rarely does someone flip the switch mid-way through their career and become an alpha dog.

3rd/4th banana is still way too high.  Take his last year with OKC when that team was maybe 80 percent of its way to its current juggernaut form.  While Green played a ton of minutes and took the third most shots, Harden and Ibaka were far superior players, both in their individual numbers and team on/off.  Even though Collison was "just" a role player, his impact was superior as well.  If Green had actually been the 3rd or 4th banana to a team with a ALPHA player like Durant and an All-NBA talent like Westbrook, they would be way worse.

I just don't see how a player who is a minus in so many categories is good enough to be the 3rd/4th best player of a good team.

If Jeff Green is the 4th best player on your basketball team, then I'm guessing that you're at least a conference finals bound team and a title contender.

Why?  What has Green shown that he can be even that high up in the pecking order of an excellent team?  He's had one season with a league-average PER, last season.  One.  He's had one season with a WS/48 over 1.  Both his assist and rebound numbers scrape the bottom for his position.   His career numbers are 14.2/5.1/1.6 over a boatload of minutes, which are pretty uninspiring.  He's not a lights out shooter or finisher so it's hard to get consistent scoring from him.  He's also not someone who contributes beyond the box score with charges and deflections and generally all-out hustle.  The most impressive thing about him are his paper measureables. 

Fourth best players on championship caliber teams tend to be super role players, defensive bigs or lights out shooters who can also defend and/or take charges.  Green's more capable than just being an off the ball role player but he also lacks well-roundedness or a standout skill to make him a great specialist role player.  He's best being someone who is just good enough to start for a bad team, someone who cycles from team to team every three years or so until he's out of the league.

If your number 4 guy is averaging 14/5/1, what do you think the three guys ahead of him are doing?  How do you think that team is doing?



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Re: Jeff Green: I can't do it alone
« Reply #93 on: April 17, 2014, 06:56:40 PM »

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He's a 3rd/4th banana.  If you trot him out there with an alpha dog & Rondo, then I'm pretty content although its still mind-boogling how he can disappear at times.

The people who thought he was taking to be the next Pierce were completely misguided to begin with.  Those expectations were set too high and were never realistic if you went off his track record.  Very, very rarely does someone flip the switch mid-way through their career and become an alpha dog.

3rd/4th banana is still way too high.  Take his last year with OKC when that team was maybe 80 percent of its way to its current juggernaut form.  While Green played a ton of minutes and took the third most shots, Harden and Ibaka were far superior players, both in their individual numbers and team on/off.  Even though Collison was "just" a role player, his impact was superior as well.  If Green had actually been the 3rd or 4th banana to a team with a ALPHA player like Durant and an All-NBA talent like Westbrook, they would be way worse.

I just don't see how a player who is a minus in so many categories is good enough to be the 3rd/4th best player of a good team.

If Jeff Green is the 4th best player on your basketball team, then I'm guessing that you're at least a conference finals bound team and a title contender.

Why?  What has Green shown that he can be even that high up in the pecking order of an excellent team?  He's had one season with a league-average PER, last season.  One.  He's had one season with a WS/48 over 1.  Both his assist and rebound numbers scrape the bottom for his position.   His career numbers are 14.2/5.1/1.6 over a boatload of minutes, which are pretty uninspiring.  He's not a lights out shooter or finisher so it's hard to get consistent scoring from him.  He's also not someone who contributes beyond the box score with charges and deflections and generally all-out hustle.  The most impressive thing about him are his paper measureables. 

Fourth best players on championship caliber teams tend to be super role players, defensive bigs or lights out shooters who can also defend and/or take charges.  Green's more capable than just being an off the ball role player but he also lacks well-roundedness or a standout skill to make him a great specialist role player.  He's best being someone who is just good enough to start for a bad team, someone who cycles from team to team every three years or so until he's out of the league.

If your number 4 guy is averaging 14/5/1, what do you think the three guys ahead of him are doing?  How do you think that team is doing?

Come on. This is silly.  If Green is the 4th guy, he's not going to get enough shots to put up those numbers unless he becomes crazy efficient.  The point is that there are plenty of players better than Green who are still not elite so him being the 4th best player doesn't mean that team is championship caliber.

Re: Jeff Green: I can't do it alone
« Reply #94 on: April 17, 2014, 08:40:22 PM »

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Green failed as the go to guy. You think lebron or durant would be making excuses ?

Green could be a nice 2nd or 3nd scoring option though

And Lebron's reason for teaming up with two stars was?

Re: Jeff Green: I can't do it alone
« Reply #95 on: April 17, 2014, 08:43:06 PM »

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If Jeff Green is the 4th best player on your basketball team, then I'm guessing that you're at least a conference finals bound team and a title contender.
Players better than Jeff Green on the Celtics now
Rondo
Sully
KO
Humph
Bradley
Bass

Crawford before he was traded

Pressy is a toss up.
Bayless is sorta preference.

Jeff Green is the new Sheed. He makes you worse. He collects a check. That is his deal

You're joking, right?
No. Not even a teeny tiny bit. He is a terrible NBA basketball player. I'd rather have Adam Morrison. Not for 9mill. For 9 mill I'd rather have Jeff G. But I'd rather have Adam for the minimum than Jeff Green for any sizeable amount of money. You have to outrebound players much smaller than you to be a valuable player in the NBA. He doesn't do that. If he goes up against Matthew Dellavedova for a reb I guarantee you MD is coming down with it. That is a huge problem.   Then he'll kinda cry and say he can't do it alone.

He is a worthless player.

Re: Jeff Green: I can't do it alone
« Reply #96 on: April 17, 2014, 09:12:38 PM »

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If Jeff Green is the 4th best player on your basketball team, then I'm guessing that you're at least a conference finals bound team and a title contender.
Players better than Jeff Green on the Celtics now
Rondo
Sully
KO
Humph
Bradley
Bass

Crawford before he was traded

Pressy is a toss up.
Bayless is sorta preference.

Jeff Green is the new Sheed. He makes you worse. He collects a check. That is his deal

You're joking, right?
No. Not even a teeny tiny bit. He is a terrible NBA basketball player. I'd rather have Adam Morrison. Not for 9mill. For 9 mill I'd rather have Jeff G. But I'd rather have Adam for the minimum than Jeff Green for any sizeable amount of money. You have to outrebound players much smaller than you to be a valuable player in the NBA. He doesn't do that. If he goes up against Matthew Dellavedova for a reb I guarantee you MD is coming down with it. That is a huge problem.   Then he'll kinda cry and say he can't do it alone.

He is a worthless player.

  He's an average player. If that's worthless, what does that make below average players? There's plenty of hyperbole in your posts, intentional or not.

Re: Jeff Green: I can't do it alone
« Reply #97 on: April 17, 2014, 09:54:17 PM »

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Green failed as the go to guy. You think lebron or durant would be making excuses ?

Green could be a nice 2nd or 3nd scoring option though

And Lebron's reason for teaming up with two stars was?
When Jeff Green leads a team of crappy players to the NBA Finals or multiple 60 win seasons he can be compared to Lebron James.
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Re: Jeff Green: I can't do it alone
« Reply #98 on: April 17, 2014, 09:58:30 PM »

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Jeff Green is a perfect 3rd scoring option or 6th man. 

He prob knows it also.

If Danny gets someone who has potential to be a 1st or 2nd and plays the sf position Green has to go


Re: Jeff Green: I can't do it alone
« Reply #99 on: April 17, 2014, 10:16:14 PM »

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Green failed as the go to guy. You think lebron or durant would be making excuses ?

Green could be a nice 2nd or 3nd scoring option though

And Lebron's reason for teaming up with two stars was?
When Jeff Green leads a team of crappy players to the NBA Finals or multiple 60 win seasons he can be compared to Lebron James.

That says even more. Lebron James the proclaimed "King" still needed to join forces even though he did the aforementioned things. Jeff Green is in no way a Lebron and he was NEVER suppose to be one EVER.

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« Reply #100 on: April 17, 2014, 10:20:24 PM »

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If Jeff Green is the 4th best player on your basketball team, then I'm guessing that you're at least a conference finals bound team and a title contender.
Players better than Jeff Green on the Celtics now
Rondo
Sully
KO
Humph
Bradley
Bass

Crawford before he was traded

Pressy is a toss up.
Bayless is sorta preference.

Jeff Green is the new Sheed. He makes you worse. He collects a check. That is his deal

You're joking, right?
No. Not even a teeny tiny bit. He is a terrible NBA basketball player. I'd rather have Adam Morrison. Not for 9mill. For 9 mill I'd rather have Jeff G. But I'd rather have Adam for the minimum than Jeff Green for any sizeable amount of money. You have to outrebound players much smaller than you to be a valuable player in the NBA. He doesn't do that. If he goes up against Matthew Dellavedova for a reb I guarantee you MD is coming down with it. That is a huge problem.   Then he'll kinda cry and say he can't do it alone.

He is a worthless player.

  He's an average player. If that's worthless, what does that make below average players? There's plenty of hyperbole in your posts, intentional or not.
I don't think an average 6ft 9 guy gets like 3 rebs a game.

An average player is more consistent than him.

An average player plays harder than him.

Bass is an average player. There is no comparison whatsoever between Bass and Jeff Green. A team of Basses beats a team of Greens 4-2 in a 7 game series, because Green is good enough to win 2 on talent alone, but then barely bothers to show up in the other games.

The reason guys like Bass are in this league is because of guys like Green.

Re: Jeff Green: I can't do it alone
« Reply #101 on: April 17, 2014, 10:21:31 PM »

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Jeff Green couldn't get it done in previous seasons because he was deferred too much to better players like Pierce and KG, and now that he's playing with a bunch of lesser guys he can't get it done because he's "all alone."  I'm really not sure what the third option is.

I don't know who makes more excuses for Green; his apologists around Celticsblog, or Jeff Green himself.
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Re: Jeff Green: I can't do it alone
« Reply #102 on: April 17, 2014, 10:28:46 PM »

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He's a 3rd/4th banana.  If you trot him out there with an alpha dog & Rondo, then I'm pretty content although its still mind-boogling how he can disappear at times.

The people who thought he was taking to be the next Pierce were completely misguided to begin with.  Those expectations were set too high and were never realistic if you went off his track record.  Very, very rarely does someone flip the switch mid-way through their career and become an alpha dog.

3rd/4th banana is still way too high.  Take his last year with OKC when that team was maybe 80 percent of its way to its current juggernaut form.  While Green played a ton of minutes and took the third most shots, Harden and Ibaka were far superior players, both in their individual numbers and team on/off.  Even though Collison was "just" a role player, his impact was superior as well.  If Green had actually been the 3rd or 4th banana to a team with a ALPHA player like Durant and an All-NBA talent like Westbrook, they would be way worse.

I just don't see how a player who is a minus in so many categories is good enough to be the 3rd/4th best player of a good team.

If Jeff Green is the 4th best player on your basketball team, then I'm guessing that you're at least a conference finals bound team and a title contender.

Why?  What has Green shown that he can be even that high up in the pecking order of an excellent team?

Ye gods.  Is there anyone on Earth who thinks the Thunder wouldn't be title contenders with Harden and Green, with Green the 4th best player?

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Re: Jeff Green: I can't do it alone
« Reply #103 on: April 17, 2014, 10:29:34 PM »

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When you look at minutes played and position played the only SFs worse than him in rebounding are Kyle Korver and Aaron Afflalo (if you even consider those guys SFs). He is literally the worst rebounder in the league. There are sooooo many point guards and players that are far smaller or are banged up that average about what he does in rebounds. It's really embarrassing. Basically he can't be bothered with that.

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« Reply #104 on: April 17, 2014, 10:32:14 PM »

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Green failed as the go to guy. You think lebron or durant would be making excuses ?

Green could be a nice 2nd or 3nd scoring option though

At least Green admits that he needs help, unlike LeBron, who would probably blame others and make excuses.

This is what I dislike about Lebron haters. They keep assuming he's a bad person or hates his team mates. No he actually doesn't blame others and team mates like him unlike Kobe Bean..
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