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How far can we go next season if we acquired Love and Asik?
« on: April 03, 2014, 01:12:48 PM »

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Offseason moves

Out
AB, Humphries, Bayless, Pressey, Babb

IN
Granger - 1 year deal

Trades
To Wolves: 2014 5-6th pick, 2016 1st, Jared Sullinger, Wallace, Bass
To Celtics: Kevin Love, JJ Barera, 2014 2nd round pick (42-44)

To Rockets: Jeff Green, Joel Anthony, 2014 2nd 1st
To Celtics: Asik , 2014 Rockets 1st (24-26)

2014 picks
24-26 pick = Cleanthony Early
42-44 pick = Thanasis Antetokounmpo

Lineup

C-   Asik, Iverson, Faverani
PF-  Love, Olynyk
SF-  Early, Antetokounmpo, Johnson
SG- Granger, Johnson, Antetokounmpo
PG- Rondo, Barera

How deep into the playoffs could this lineup go to if assembled?  Would you rather have this lineup to have a chance in the playoffs or not lose Sullinger, draft 2014 5-6th and 16-19 range picks and remain patient?

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Re: How far can we go next season if we acquired Love and Asik?
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2014, 01:19:34 PM »

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First round exit. Simply not enough depth during the regular season, so a low playoff seed.

Granger as a SG? He might be relegated to a stretch four at this stage in his career.
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Re: How far can we go next season if we acquired Love and Asik?
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2014, 01:19:53 PM »

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Granger at starting SG is a non-starter -- he wouldn't be able to handle it physically.

2nd round exit.

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Re: How far can we go next season if we acquired Love and Asik?
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2014, 01:19:58 PM »

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That team would be lucky to make the playoffs or first-round fodder, at best.  Our wing rotation is two rookies, a D-leaguer and the corpse of Danny Granger.  Pass.

Re: How far can we go next season if we acquired Love and Asik?
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2014, 01:23:12 PM »

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Replace Granger with Thabo Sefolosha (if the C's get lucky).

And use whatever remains of the MLE and/or the Pierce TE to add wing depth, including a couple specialists and veterans.
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Re: How far can we go next season if we acquired Love and Asik?
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2014, 01:43:18 PM »

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Replace Granger with Thabo Sefolosha (if the C's get lucky).

And use whatever remains of the MLE and/or the Pierce TE to add wing depth, including a couple specialists and veterans.

you just can't rely on bringing in decent players, after you have to eat two big contracts.  And unfortunately there aren't many decent FA for 2014-2015 either imo.

Other top teams are also full of role players plus their two or three big stars, like SA, Rockets, Miami.   I wouldn't call Asik a big star but he occupies a very important position and we would be finally getting tha trim protection we been needing badly.

Granger would sign a one year deal because he would get to start and have a chance to get far into the playoffs. How many players like him will be available next season? He is going to get healthier and could give the team 14-16 points on a consistent basis, while we can use Johnson for example when needing defensive stops.

In a weak east conference the lineup above should place somewhere between 4-6 imo. Can't believe some are saying we won't even make it into the playoffs. no way

Re: How far can we go next season if we acquired Love and Asik?
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2014, 01:45:42 PM »

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Granger's not going to get healthier -- he has a degenerative knee disorder. That's the opposite of "getting healthier".
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Re: How far can we go next season if we acquired Love and Asik?
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2014, 01:53:57 PM »

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I am liking the Love/Asik additions but we would definitely need to stack up at the 2 and 3.

We would definitely a couple 3 point shooters to along with two guys like Rondo and Asik as it would be too much pressure on Love to put all the offense on him.

Re: How far can we go next season if we acquired Love and Asik?
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2014, 01:54:13 PM »

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Granger's not going to get healthier -- he has a degenerative knee disorder. That's the opposite of "getting healthier".

www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LNXVjRke78

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBKbA3VU-t8

You make it sound like he is in the same condition as Oden.  I'm not stating the Celts will rely on Granger to score 20 a game. That will be Love's job. But he will open up space on the floor with his shooting/scoring capability. When you need someone for defensive purposes , take him out

We obviously can't have both Early and a 2nd round pick or Johnson starting. Theb would be a nice pickup but could be costly and would want a long term deal

Re: How far can we go next season if we acquired Love and Asik?
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2014, 01:57:03 PM »

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Offseason moves

Out
AB, Humphries, Bayless, Pressey, Babb

IN
Granger - 1 year deal

Trades
To Wolves: 2014 5-6th pick, 2016 1st, Jared Sullinger, Wallace, Bass
To Celtics: Kevin Love, JJ Barera, 2014 2nd round pick (42-44)

To Rockets: Jeff Green, Joel Anthony, 2014 2nd 1st
To Celtics: Asik , 2014 Rockets 1st (24-26)

2014 picks
24-26 pick = Cleanthony Early
42-44 pick = Thanasis Antetokounmpo

Lineup

C-   Asik, Iverson, Faverani
PF-  Love, Olynyk
SF-  Early, Antetokounmpo, Johnson
SG- Granger, Johnson, Antetokounmpo
PG- Rondo, Barera

How deep into the playoffs could this lineup go to if assembled?  Would you rather have this lineup to have a chance in the playoffs or not lose Sullinger, draft 2014 5-6th and 16-19 range picks and remain patient?

I will give you a lot of points for creativity [TP!]. And I think I see your vision: our PFs aren't great defensively, but Asik can make up for those weaknesses. We have a number of athletic wings; Granger can teach Early and the Greek Freak + brother something about being a wing player - and Barrea is a solid back-up PG

That said, I think is that the team you've built is too young to make much headway in the playoffs. Maybe a second round exit - if you lucked into a higher seed (say 6th) and had injuries in the three seed. But no way is that team better than Chicago with Rose, a re-upped Miami squad, the Pacers, the Nets, the Wizards, probably not the Hawks with Horford back, and maybe it's not even better than the Bobcats.

There is just a very steep drop off, offensively, after Love. Even Rondo would be asked to do more scoring than I think makes sense for him...

The Greeks, Olynyk, Iverson, and Early are all 21 and under. Granger is pretty much done.

Re: How far can we go next season if we acquired Love and Asik?
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2014, 01:59:11 PM »

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Granger's not going to get healthier -- he has a degenerative knee disorder. That's the opposite of "getting healthier".

www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LNXVjRke78

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBKbA3VU-t8

You make it sound like he is in the same condition as Oden.  I'm not stating the Celts will rely on Granger to score 20 a game. That will be Love's job. But he will open up space on the floor with his shooting/scoring capability. When you need someone for defensive purposes , take him out

When Granger was playing for Indiana this season, he was the worst player on the floor. He can't guard 3's, let alone 2's, and he's probably only suited to a stretch 4, if anything now. Last guy I'd want the C's to sign.


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Re: How far can we go next season if we acquired Love and Asik?
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2014, 01:59:53 PM »

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Granger's not going to get healthier -- he has a degenerative knee disorder. That's the opposite of "getting healthier".
You make it sound like he is in the same condition as Oden.  I'm not stating the Celts will rely on Granger to score 20 a game. That will be Love's job. But he will open up space on the floor with his shooting/scoring capability. When you need someone for defensive purposes , take him out

We obviously can't have both Early and a 2nd round pick or Johnson starting. Theb would be a nice pickup but could be costly and would want a long term deal

You're making the assumption that the Celtics are going to be able to rely on Granger to play starters minutes for a majority of the regular season.

I'm telling you that's not realistic.
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Re: How far can we go next season if we acquired Love and Asik?
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2014, 02:03:55 PM »

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Offseason moves

Out
AB, Humphries, Bayless, Pressey, Babb

IN
Granger - 1 year deal

Trades
To Wolves: 2014 5-6th pick, 2016 1st, Jared Sullinger, Wallace, Bass
To Celtics: Kevin Love, JJ Barera, 2014 2nd round pick (42-44)

To Rockets: Jeff Green, Joel Anthony, 2014 2nd 1st
To Celtics: Asik , 2014 Rockets 1st (24-26)

2014 picks
24-26 pick = Cleanthony Early
42-44 pick = Thanasis Antetokounmpo

Lineup

C-   Asik, Iverson, Faverani
PF-  Love, Olynyk
SF-  Early, Antetokounmpo, Johnson
SG- Granger, Johnson, Antetokounmpo
PG- Rondo, Barera

How deep into the playoffs could this lineup go to if assembled?  Would you rather have this lineup to have a chance in the playoffs or not lose Sullinger, draft 2014 5-6th and 16-19 range picks and remain patient?

I will give you a lot of points for creativity [TP!]. And I think I see your vision: our PFs aren't great defensively, but Asik can make up for those weaknesses. We have a number of athletic wings; Granger can teach Early and the Greek Freak + brother something about being a wing player - and Barrea is a solid back-up PG

That said, I think is that the team you've built is too young to make much headway in the playoffs. Maybe a second round exit - if you lucked into a higher seed (say 6th) and had injuries in the three seed. But no way is that team better than Chicago with Rose, a re-upped Miami squad, the Pacers, the Nets, the Wizards, probably not the Hawks with Horford back, and maybe it's not even better than the Bobcats.

There is just a very steep drop off, offensively, after Love. Even Rondo would be asked to do more scoring than I think makes sense for him...

The Greeks, Olynyk, Iverson, and Early are all 21 and under. Granger is pretty much done.

If people want Asik and Love, there will be a price to pay. Plus you can't keep guys like Green, Wallace due to cap reasons.  Something has to give.

We will need to hope KO comes in excellent shape next year to help contribute on a consistent basis off the bench, and Early/Antetokounmpo are mature enough to not play like rookies. Both are older rookies, have developed bodies and if anything can shoot the ball, opening things up on the floor.

Otherwise, we just keep trucking along with rebuilding , keep the picks then see from there.  Maybe there is a chance the team plays over their head or a big trade possibility comes up by next seasons deadline (either to add stars or trade rondo, to complete the rebuild).

Re: How far can we go next season if we acquired Love and Asik?
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2014, 02:09:38 PM »

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I like the frame work but Id tweek.

Offseason moves


Trades
To Wolves: 2014 5-6th pick, 2016 1st, Jared Sullinger, Wallace, Bass
To Celtics: Kevin Love, JJ Barera, 2014 2nd round pick (42-44)

To Rockets: Jeff Green, Joel Anthony, 2014 2nd 1st
To Celtics: Asik , 2014 Rockets 1st (24-26)


Add Bradley sign and trade and a future first round pick (even a future second or another filler) for Afflalo.

I wouldn't mind resigning Humphries to a small deal if we could as well. Sign a few league minimum guys to add some depth. I think if we can get at least Love and Asik to build around Rondo you have to do it.

Rondo/Barrea
Afflalo/Johnson
Veteran/Rockets first Rounder
Love/Humphries
Asik/Olynyk/Fav


Re: How far can we go next season if we acquired Love and Asik?
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2014, 02:12:00 PM »

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Granger's not going to get healthier -- he has a degenerative knee disorder. That's the opposite of "getting healthier".
You make it sound like he is in the same condition as Oden.  I'm not stating the Celts will rely on Granger to score 20 a game. That will be Love's job. But he will open up space on the floor with his shooting/scoring capability. When you need someone for defensive purposes , take him out

We obviously can't have both Early and a 2nd round pick or Johnson starting. Theb would be a nice pickup but could be costly and would want a long term deal

You're making the assumption that the Celtics are going to be able to rely on Granger to play starters minutes for a majority of the regular season.

I'm telling you that's not realistic.

nope i'm not stating that.  But 15-20 minutes is not out of the question. He is playing approx those mins today.  At worse i can't see him giving the team less than 8-12 points a game.

I think you need to focus away from Granger. He is not the main piece of the puzzle, but someone that brings scoring capabilities and vet experience to the table. You can replace him with a Jodie Meeks etc. though those kind of players will be harder to sign though

People here have been saying now if Rondo just had some help, it will be a different story. Well the help i listed above , is as good as it gets for this upcoming off season.  He will have Love to feed to,  Asik to bail him out on defense, and at worse rookies like Early, Antetokounmpo, Johnson can shoot the ball , opening up space for others to operate.