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Re: Who are your top 10 in the draft?
« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2014, 12:18:48 PM »

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Wiggins
Parker
Embiid
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Exum
Smart
Randle
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Vonleh
Gordon
Saric
Russ Smith (It's a twist!)

This is most in line with my thoughts.  Especially the first two tiers.  Anything past pick #7 or so, I'm not too concerned about at the moment. 

In terms of the first 6, pretty much agreed although I think I like Parker over Wiggins at the #1 slot.

Yeah those are more informal groupings than anything else -- I haven't had a chance to do much March Madness coverage this year, and I'm too busy to pay serious attention to college hoops during their regular season, so a straight ranking would be difficult.
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Re: Who are your top 10 in the draft?
« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2014, 12:45:13 PM »

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Very surprised most of you do not have Harris listed in the top 10, some even excluding him from your top 20.  Huge mistake. That kid is going to be a very good NBA player, would not be surprised to see him make the all star game one day.  Love his two way motor.  Really hope we get him.  Would be a much better back court mate with Rondo than Avery Bradley.  Trade Avery.

Re: Who are your top 10 in the draft?
« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2014, 12:56:06 PM »

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1. Wiggins - has the highest upside of any player though the lack of consistent aggression is extremely concerning

2. Embiid - has the second highest upside of the top three players but has the highest bust potential of the top 3 players.

3. Parker - probably the most ready NBA player of the top three and easily the one with the most refined moves and basketball intelligence. Needs to get his body in NBA hsape in order to truly succeed at the next level.

4. Randle - might have better intangibles than the top 3 but he is an undersized PF with short arms. But the toughness and motor and left handed shot is going to make him a very good player for some team.

5. Ennis - I think he is the best PG of this draft class with a lot of tools, a good BBIQ and plays clutch. He might struggle some to start but in time I see him as Mike Conley good or maybe better

6. Smart - tough and big with a fearlessness going to the rack but his shooting is not good and he isn't going to just be able to out muscle guards in the NBA. He's going to need to model his game to be a cross between Wade and Rondo. Be the playmaker without a great shot that effects so many other areas of the game while using his body and size like Wade to get to the basket and score like Wade. Very unsure what his long term potential could be.

7. Exum - this is strictly based on absolutely nothing but media hype as I have seen so little of him and haven't seen him in anything but highlights which makes anyone look good.

8. TJ Warren - a warrior at the SF position that can do a lot of things very good and can score better than just about anyone in this class. But his shot has to get better or he could just become another chucker.

9. Gordon - he's here on my chart simply for his defense but unless, like Avery Bradley, he can learn to score at this next level, he becomes nothing more than a defensive specialist which makes this draft position rather high.

10. Doug McDermott - The kid is the best shooter and scorer in this class and brings a lot of intangibles and intelligence to the game. Tougher than he is given credit for. If he was a little more athletic and black, he might have been looked at as a top 5 talent.

Re: Who are your top 10 in the draft?
« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2014, 01:28:59 PM »

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I decided to average out everyone's picks so far. Here is a consensus top 10:

1. Wiggins
2. Embiid
3. Parker
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4. Exum
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5. Randle
6. Vonleh
7. Smart
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8. Gordon
9. Ennis
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10. Saric

Others getting a lot of attention for the top 10 in order: Warren, Anderson, Nurkic, Harris, Hood

After reading a lot of criticism of Randle over the past couple months, it is interesting that he is still 5 or 6 on just about everyone's board.

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Re: Who are your top 10 in the draft?
« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2014, 02:03:30 PM »

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I was about to ask about Kyle Anderson, but someone beat me to it. Chad made a good point about how his career can go in very different directions depending on which team he goes to, and whether that team knows how to utilize him to his strengths.

Someone else asked about Nurkic, so i threw out a question about Capela. Interesting to hear that Capela has a lot of buzz. I hope the Celtics get a good look at both of them.

Re: Who are your top 10 in the draft?
« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2014, 02:11:53 PM »

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10. Doug McDermott - The kid is the best shooter and scorer in this class and brings a lot of intangibles and intelligence to the game. Tougher than he is given credit for. If he was a little more athletic and black, he might have been looked at as a top 5 talent.

As someone who's been called racist on here for pointing out that Celtics fans tend to love white players, I'd like to draw attention to the relative lack of similar attention this post has received.

Not saying anything about Nick, just sayin'.
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Re: Who are your top 10 in the draft?
« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2014, 02:27:55 PM »

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As someone who's been called racist on here for pointing out that Celtics fans tend to love white players, I'd like to draw attention to the relative lack of similar attention this post has received.

People are probably ignoring it because they don't want to violate our rules, which don't allow discussion of a player's race.  8)


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Re: Who are your top 10 in the draft?
« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2014, 02:29:28 PM »

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I think if McDermott ended up here somehow, he'd be a polarizing presence (among fans), just as Kelly Olynyk has been so far this year, and just as Scalabrine was when he was here.

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Re: Who are your top 10 in the draft?
« Reply #38 on: March 26, 2014, 02:33:30 PM »

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As someone who's been called racist on here for pointing out that Celtics fans tend to love white players, I'd like to draw attention to the relative lack of similar attention this post has received.

People are probably ignoring it because they don't want to violate our rules, which don't allow discussion of a player's race.  8)

Touche.

I think if McDermott ended up here somehow, he'd be a polarizing presence (among fans), just as Kelly Olynyk has been so far this year, and just as Scalabrine was when he was here.

Make of that what you will.

I feel like a lot of that polarization wouldn't have occurred had any of those guys been/become above average starters, though.
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Re: Who are your top 10 in the draft?
« Reply #39 on: March 26, 2014, 02:34:12 PM »

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The comment is based more on the perception of these players that the media paints rather than calling people racist. I think McDermott and Parker are extremely similar players. Yet Parker is painted as the next Melo or Pierce and MeDermott the next Kyle Korver. Just think McDermott's game is closer to that of Parker and the manner in which many, including the media, compares players based first and foremost on skin color, paints an unfair picture of McDermott's game.

Re: Who are your top 10 in the draft?
« Reply #40 on: March 26, 2014, 02:48:01 PM »

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The comment is based more on the perception of these players that the media paints rather than calling people racist. I think McDermott and Parker are extremely similar players. Yet Parker is painted as the next Melo or Pierce and MeDermott the next Kyle Korver. Just think McDermott's game is closer to that of Parker and the manner in which many, including the media, compares players based first and foremost on skin color, paints an unfair picture of McDermott's game.
Is the comparison not also one of potential ability?

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« Reply #41 on: March 26, 2014, 03:39:42 PM »

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The comment is based more on the perception of these players that the media paints rather than calling people racist. I think McDermott and Parker are extremely similar players. Yet Parker is painted as the next Melo or Pierce and MeDermott the next Kyle Korver. Just think McDermott's game is closer to that of Parker and the manner in which many, including the media, compares players based first and foremost on skin color, paints an unfair picture of McDermott's game.

I agree that their games are somewhat similar, and a lot of people wouldn't make that connection due to visible differences, but McDermott's also like 3 years older than Parker and wasn't nearly as highly regarded in high school, being overshadowed by Harrison Barnes.  Plus there's the stat inflation issue of playing for his dad.

Re: Who are your top 10 in the draft?
« Reply #42 on: March 26, 2014, 03:53:10 PM »

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The comment is based more on the perception of these players that the media paints rather than calling people racist. I think McDermott and Parker are extremely similar players. Yet Parker is painted as the next Melo or Pierce and MeDermott the next Kyle Korver. Just think McDermott's game is closer to that of Parker and the manner in which many, including the media, compares players based first and foremost on skin color, paints an unfair picture of McDermott's game.

While I have not studied Parker and McDermott enough to draw this conclusion in the instant case, generally I feel that Nick is spot on with this observation about the media, and fans in general, when comparing players. 

Re: Who are your top 10 in the draft?
« Reply #43 on: March 26, 2014, 04:01:06 PM »

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1. Wiggins
2. Parker
3. Embiid
4. Exum
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5. Gordon
6. Smart
7. Randle
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8. Willie Cauley-Stein
9. Vonleh
10. McDermott

As to Nick's comment about McDermott and Parker being similar. I slightly agree except for the difference in age. Which means Parker has room for growth and a much higher upside.
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Re: Who are your top 10 in the draft?
« Reply #44 on: March 26, 2014, 04:12:36 PM »

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The comment is based more on the perception of these players that the media paints rather than calling people racist. I think McDermott and Parker are extremely similar players. Yet Parker is painted as the next Melo or Pierce and MeDermott the next Kyle Korver. Just think McDermott's game is closer to that of Parker and the manner in which many, including the media, compares players based first and foremost on skin color, paints an unfair picture of McDermott's game.

I agree that their games are somewhat similar, and a lot of people wouldn't make that connection due to visible differences, but McDermott's also like 3 years older than Parker and wasn't nearly as highly regarded in high school, being overshadowed by Harrison Barnes.  Plus there's the stat inflation issue of playing for his dad.
I don't see them as all that similar at all beyond the broadest of strokes.

Both are scorers who are pretty good but not great facilitators.

McDermott is a shooter who can hit from anywhere on the court and is comfortable running off screens for deep catch and shoot jumpers Ray Allen style. When he's not doing that he has to post up to create offense because he's very limited off the bounce. No matter where he is on the court he can't attack the rim, instead he uses nice body control for hooks and nifty layups.

Parker is also a good post player and scorer, but he's at his best off the bounce and handling the ball. His jumper is very shaky and certainly isn't comfortable coming off screens to use it. He can post up but he's not very skilled with it yet and typically only does it when he has a mismatch.

Neither can defend a chair, McDermott is better than Parker but I chalk that up to playing 4 years in his Dad's system more than any better acumen.