Asik using the trade exception?

[Chris]

For a while now I have thought that Danny and Morey have a sort of agreement that if nothing better comes along, they will agree to trade the Nets/Atlanta pick for Asik, and it would be agreed upon on draft day, but completed in July, so the C's stay under the tax.

Wow. That would be a very solid move. And perhaps it makes sense for both sides. It certainly looks good for boston, it gives them a big defensive center, filling the hardest position to fill in the NBA. Sullinger gets to actually learn the PF position. The celtics would win a bunch more games as they would suddenly have size, a healthy Rondo, retain green, bass and olynyk, and add a high lottery talent. Meanwhile if the celtics dont like what they see, they can still hit the reset button in free agency in 2015.

Can houston do better than a pick around 18  and a trade exception? Perhaps not. 15 million is a lot for another team to swallow. And asik could bolt the new team the following summer.

A lot depends on how Asik finished the year.  But I think that is the type of deal they would be looking for.  And if they can also find a team to take Lin, then they could be looking at max cap space to go after someone like Bosh. 

[BleedGreen1989]

For a while now I have thought that Danny and Morey have a sort of agreement that if nothing better comes along, they will agree to trade the Nets/Atlanta pick for Asik, and it would be agreed upon on draft day, but completed in July, so the C's stay under the tax.

Wow. That would be a very solid move. And perhaps it makes sense for both sides. It certainly looks good for boston, it gives them a big defensive center, filling the hardest position to fill in the NBA. Sullinger gets to actually learn the PF position. The celtics would win a bunch more games as they would suddenly have size, a healthy Rondo, retain green, bass and olynyk, and add a high lottery talent. Meanwhile if the celtics dont like what they see, they can still hit the reset button in free agency in 2015.

Can houston do better than a pick around 18  and a trade exception? Perhaps not. 15 million is a lot for another team to swallow. And asik could bolt the new team the following summer.

I tend to think if Morey could of gotten a 2014 first rounder and a large TPE, he would of already moved Asik.

[Lucky17]

For a while now I have thought that Danny and Morey have a sort of agreement that if nothing better comes along, they will agree to trade the Nets/Atlanta pick for Asik, and it would be agreed upon on draft day, but completed in July, so the C's stay under the tax.

Wow. That would be a very solid move. And perhaps it makes sense for both sides. It certainly looks good for boston, it gives them a big defensive center, filling the hardest position to fill in the NBA. Sullinger gets to actually learn the PF position. The celtics would win a bunch more games as they would suddenly have size, a healthy Rondo, retain green, bass and olynyk, and add a high lottery talent. Meanwhile if the celtics dont like what they see, they can still hit the reset button in free agency in 2015.

Can houston do better than a pick around 18  and a trade exception? Perhaps not. 15 million is a lot for another team to swallow. And asik could bolt the new team the following summer.

I tend to think if Morey could of gotten a 2014 first rounder and a large TPE, he would of already moved Asik.

Perhaps Ainge wasn't willing to acquire Asik in season and compromise a bottom-5 finish.

[BleedGreen1989]

For a while now I have thought that Danny and Morey have a sort of agreement that if nothing better comes along, they will agree to trade the Nets/Atlanta pick for Asik, and it would be agreed upon on draft day, but completed in July, so the C's stay under the tax.

Wow. That would be a very solid move. And perhaps it makes sense for both sides. It certainly looks good for boston, it gives them a big defensive center, filling the hardest position to fill in the NBA. Sullinger gets to actually learn the PF position. The celtics would win a bunch more games as they would suddenly have size, a healthy Rondo, retain green, bass and olynyk, and add a high lottery talent. Meanwhile if the celtics dont like what they see, they can still hit the reset button in free agency in 2015.

Can houston do better than a pick around 18  and a trade exception? Perhaps not. 15 million is a lot for another team to swallow. And asik could bolt the new team the following summer.

I tend to think if Morey could of gotten a 2014 first rounder and a large TPE, he would of already moved Asik.

Perhaps Ainge wasn't willing to acquire Asik in season and compromise a bottom-5 finish.

I absolutely think that's a strong possibility and I think it's the right move by Ainge.

[footey]

For a while now I have thought that Danny and Morey have a sort of agreement that if nothing better comes along, they will agree to trade the Nets/Atlanta pick for Asik, and it would be agreed upon on draft day, but completed in July, so the C's stay under the tax.

Based on what report? Or just a gut feel?

[Chris]

For a while now I have thought that Danny and Morey have a sort of agreement that if nothing better comes along, they will agree to trade the Nets/Atlanta pick for Asik, and it would be agreed upon on draft day, but completed in July, so the C's stay under the tax.

Wow. That would be a very solid move. And perhaps it makes sense for both sides. It certainly looks good for boston, it gives them a big defensive center, filling the hardest position to fill in the NBA. Sullinger gets to actually learn the PF position. The celtics would win a bunch more games as they would suddenly have size, a healthy Rondo, retain green, bass and olynyk, and add a high lottery talent. Meanwhile if the celtics dont like what they see, they can still hit the reset button in free agency in 2015.

Can houston do better than a pick around 18  and a trade exception? Perhaps not. 15 million is a lot for another team to swallow. And asik could bolt the new team the following summer.

I tend to think if Morey could of gotten a 2014 first rounder and a large TPE, he would of already moved Asik.

Perhaps Ainge wasn't willing to acquire Asik in season and compromise a bottom-5 finish.

No, he wasn't willing to go into the luxury tax this season, for a lottery team.  The C's really needed to stay out of the tax this year to avoid the repeaters tax.

For a while now I have thought that Danny and Morey have a sort of agreement that if nothing better comes along, they will agree to trade the Nets/Atlanta pick for Asik, and it would be agreed upon on draft day, but completed in July, so the C's stay under the tax.

Based on what report? Or just a gut feel?

Gut feeling, various reports, and a quote Danny made right at the deadline when he said (I am paraphrasing) that the deals they could have made now, will still be available this summer.  Plus, just common sense.

It made no sense for either team to make that deal now.  For the C's, it would potentially hurt their tanking, while putting them well over the tax line.  And for Houston, they lose a potentially valuable piece to their playoff roster without getting any pieces back to help them this year. 

This deal makes much more sense in the summer.

[saltlover]

For a while now I have thought that Danny and Morey have a sort of agreement that if nothing better comes along, they will agree to trade the Nets/Atlanta pick for Asik, and it would be agreed upon on draft day, but completed in July, so the C's stay under the tax.

Wow. That would be a very solid move. And perhaps it makes sense for both sides. It certainly looks good for boston, it gives them a big defensive center, filling the hardest position to fill in the NBA. Sullinger gets to actually learn the PF position. The celtics would win a bunch more games as they would suddenly have size, a healthy Rondo, retain green, bass and olynyk, and add a high lottery talent. Meanwhile if the celtics dont like what they see, they can still hit the reset button in free agency in 2015.

Can houston do better than a pick around 18  and a trade exception? Perhaps not. 15 million is a lot for another team to swallow. And asik could bolt the new team the following summer.

I tend to think if Morey could of gotten a 2014 first rounder and a large TPE, he would of already moved Asik.

The point is the Celtics couldn't offer the TPE and a 2014 first for Asik this season, as Asik's salary would have pushed them over the hard cap unless they sent back about $3 million in salary, and pushed them over the luxury tax unless they sent back about $7 million.  I do agree Morey would have done that trade if it were able to be offered, but most teams don't have that kind of room mid-season.  They do at the draft and in the offseason.

[Lucky17]

For a while now I have thought that Danny and Morey have a sort of agreement that if nothing better comes along, they will agree to trade the Nets/Atlanta pick for Asik, and it would be agreed upon on draft day, but completed in July, so the C's stay under the tax.

Wow. That would be a very solid move. And perhaps it makes sense for both sides. It certainly looks good for boston, it gives them a big defensive center, filling the hardest position to fill in the NBA. Sullinger gets to actually learn the PF position. The celtics would win a bunch more games as they would suddenly have size, a healthy Rondo, retain green, bass and olynyk, and add a high lottery talent. Meanwhile if the celtics dont like what they see, they can still hit the reset button in free agency in 2015.

Can houston do better than a pick around 18  and a trade exception? Perhaps not. 15 million is a lot for another team to swallow. And asik could bolt the new team the following summer.

I tend to think if Morey could of gotten a 2014 first rounder and a large TPE, he would of already moved Asik.

Perhaps Ainge wasn't willing to acquire Asik in season and compromise a bottom-5 finish.

No, he wasn't willing to go into the luxury tax this season, for a lottery team.  The C's really needed to stay out of the tax this year to avoid the repeaters tax.

Absolutely right.

[snively]

I think drafting a guy for a trade that can't be completed until a week or two later is exceptionally rare. 

It would make more sense to me if it was Asik for the TE, the Clips pick and the Philly pick.

[Chris]

I think drafting a guy for a trade that can't be completed until a week or two later is exceptionally rare. 

It would make more sense to me if it was Asik for the TE, the Clips pick and the Philly pick.

Not really.  Because the deal can be completely agreed upon because Asik is under contract.  Those kinds of deals happen plenty.  In fact, in Boston we saw a deal agreed upon before draft night (even if it didn't include a draft pick that year), that wasn't completed until July 15th (or whenever it was), when KG and Pierce when to Brooklyn.

It is in no way abnormal for teams to agree to trades on draft night that would be completed after July 1st.  It only gets messy when the deals include things like sign and trades.

Edit: and when you take into account that the GMs making the deal have a close working relationship, and are both known as guys who, while perhaps tight with their assets, work well with others to help manipulate the cap, then it removes the risks even more.

There are certain GMs who I think you would be more hesitant to make handshake agreements with, but I am pretty sure Ainge and Morey aren't those guys. 

[LooseCannon]

I think drafting a guy for a trade that can't be completed until a week or two later is exceptionally rare. 

The last time a guy was drafted for a trade that wasn't made official until a week or two later was....the Jrue Holiday trade.

It's probably going to be more common due to the new CBA because teams that are hard-capped due to receiving a player via sign-and-trade or using the full MLE will have to wait until after the July moratorium to execute certain transactions.

[Rondohara]

No giving up a first for (the expiring and expensive) Asik. We can likely use that in some better deal.
I'm not too sure if he is a guy we will want to have. It seems there will be lots of FA and trade available centers the next two years.

[bdm860]

I think drafting a guy for a trade that can't be completed until a week or two later is exceptionally rare. 

It would make more sense to me if it was Asik for the TE, the Clips pick and the Philly pick.

Someone help me out here.  Why couldn’t the trade be completed until a week or two after the draft?

[Fafnir]

I think drafting a guy for a trade that can't be completed until a week or two later is exceptionally rare. 

It would make more sense to me if it was Asik for the TE, the Clips pick and the Philly pick.

Someone help me out here.  Why couldn’t the trade be completed until a week or two after the draft?

League moratorium on making trades or signing contracts after the draft would delay things.

[Chris]

No giving up a first for (the expiring and expensive) Asik. We can likely use that in some better deal.
I'm not too sure if he is a guy we will want to have. It seems there will be lots of FA and trade available centers the next two years.

I really doubt there will be other centers as good as Asik available in the next couple years for anywhere near just a mid first rounder. 

And, while Asik will be making a lot of money, his cap hit will be much smaller, which is more important from the basketball side (and luxury tax side), plus, on a one year deal, he won't be making much more than market value for a quality starting center. 

I think drafting a guy for a trade that can't be completed until a week or two later is exceptionally rare. 

It would make more sense to me if it was Asik for the TE, the Clips pick and the Philly pick.

Someone help me out here.  Why couldn’t the trade be completed until a week or two after the draft?

Well, the short answer is because if they wait until the new season, which starts in July, then the C's, who are right up against the luxury tax right now, but will be well below it next season, will not have to pay the luxury tax for this year.

Of course, its more complicated than that, because there is also a hard cap that the C's can't go past, and they would if they aquired Asik without sending additional salary this year, but that isn't even relevant, because we know the C's wouldn't go into the tax in this instance anyways.