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Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
« Reply #420 on: March 07, 2014, 08:59:50 AM »

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Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
« Reply #421 on: March 07, 2014, 09:54:25 AM »

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Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
« Reply #422 on: March 07, 2014, 09:58:15 AM »

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Eric Gordon isn't a good player; he's basically the rich man's Nate Robinson.   He is shooting uncharacteristically great from the 3 and still isn't very efficient offensively, and his being on the court transforms the Pelicans from a top-10 defense to by far the Association's worst.  In addition, he is a constant injury risk.  I don't think that Kobe will ever be the same again, and he might not even be an average player anymore, but I'd be surprised if he returns as a worse player the Gordon.  In my opinion, the Eric Gordon of old is as much a thing of the past as the Kobe Bryant of yore.
Eric Gordon's career TS% is 56.2%.  Paul Pierce for his career is 56.8%.  Nate Robinson is 53.6% for his career.  Gordon was less efficient the last two years with the injury and struggled a bit early this year, but he is getting back to his pre-injury form (it takes awhile when you are injured), which is nothing like what you are describing.  Defensively he is still a bit slower than he was and he was never great defensively, but your assessment of his overall game clearly does not match reality.

I was probably too harsh on him offensively, since he is still recovering, as you say, and he is a decent offensive player right now, but he was a terrible defender even pre-injury, the kind that can't easily be masked.  I think that he'd be a great bench player, and I should have said that originally.  Perhaps his overall game would be better with better non-Davis teammates.  He's not a lose-now pick-up, by any means, I just don't think that he's great.  I really should have said "isn't a good starter", not "isn't a good player."  I stand by the fact that I think that he's a bad starter, however.
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Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
« Reply #423 on: March 07, 2014, 09:59:51 AM »

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Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
« Reply #424 on: March 07, 2014, 10:00:53 AM »

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A heads-up:

From tomorrow afternoon until Sunday morning I will be participating in a philanthropy event at my university. There is no drafting going on, so that won't be a problem, but any trades will have to be processed by BleedGreen1989 or KGs Knee. Please PM them if you want to do a trade over the weekend.

Well that sure is a fancy way of saying "I'll be at the college's checkers club bake sale".  ;)

I should be around for most of this afternoon and the weekend to accept trades.  I'll be logging off in a few to get some much needed sleep, but will be back this afternoon.

Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
« Reply #425 on: March 07, 2014, 10:03:36 AM »

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Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
« Reply #426 on: March 07, 2014, 10:04:11 AM »

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Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
« Reply #427 on: March 07, 2014, 10:08:44 AM »

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Gonna make slamtheking's 3.2 pick in a minute or so.

Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
« Reply #428 on: March 07, 2014, 10:10:22 AM »

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Taj Gibson

Great pick.  He was #1 on my draft board.  (Not necessarily Fitz's).


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Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
« Reply #429 on: March 07, 2014, 10:11:53 AM »

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slamtheking takes Kevin Martin

Dangit. Fan of this pick as well... Two strong picks to start "round three".

Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
« Reply #430 on: March 07, 2014, 10:11:59 AM »

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Taj Gibson

Great pick.  He was #1 on my draft board.  (Not necessarily Fitz's).

Yeah, love this pick.

Him and Monroe compliment each other very well.
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Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
« Reply #431 on: March 07, 2014, 10:12:59 AM »

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Eric Gordon isn't a good player; he's basically the rich man's Nate Robinson.   He is shooting uncharacteristically great from the 3 and still isn't very efficient offensively, and his being on the court transforms the Pelicans from a top-10 defense to by far the Association's worst.  In addition, he is a constant injury risk.  I don't think that Kobe will ever be the same again, and he might not even be an average player anymore, but I'd be surprised if he returns as a worse player the Gordon.  In my opinion, the Eric Gordon of old is as much a thing of the past as the Kobe Bryant of yore.
Eric Gordon's career TS% is 56.2%.  Paul Pierce for his career is 56.8%.  Nate Robinson is 53.6% for his career.  Gordon was less efficient the last two years with the injury and struggled a bit early this year, but he is getting back to his pre-injury form (it takes awhile when you are injured), which is nothing like what you are describing.  Defensively he is still a bit slower than he was and he was never great defensively, but your assessment of his overall game clearly does not match reality.

I was probably too harsh on him offensively, since he is still recovering, as you say, and he is a decent offensive player right now, but he was a terrible defender even pre-injury, the kind that can't easily be masked.  I think that he'd be a great bench player, and I should have said that originally.  Perhaps his overall game would be better with better non-Davis teammates.  He's not a lose-now pick-up, by any means, I just don't think that he's great.  I really should have said "isn't a good starter", not "isn't a good player."  I stand by the fact that I think that he's a bad starter, however.
Fair enough.  The way I looked at the trade for Gordon, was that I would have taken Parsons (who nick actually selected), who is a worse shooter and is actually older than Gordon.  I also got to move up about 15 spots in the 7th round, which I think has some decent value.  I also realized there were plenty of similar SF's to Parsons out there (granted a few of them went later yesterday), but not very many good SG's so I saw it as value all around.  I get the younger player, the much better shooter and ball handler, at a much less deep position, and I get to move up in the depth building rounds (and it isn't like Parsons is a good defender either).  Seemed like an easy trade to make for me. 
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Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
« Reply #432 on: March 07, 2014, 10:15:17 AM »

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Made my pick.  Worried tht it's a mistake to pick him over a shooting guard, but im also worried that the moat enticing shooting gaurd is a flash-in-the-pan.  There are a few shooting guards with whom I would still be comfortable starting,, though none might be there by the time I pick again.
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Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
« Reply #433 on: March 07, 2014, 10:16:21 AM »

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Gonna make slamtheking's 3.2 pick in a minute or so.
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Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
« Reply #434 on: March 07, 2014, 10:16:44 AM »

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slamtheking takes Kevin Martin

Dangit. Fan of this pick as well... Two strong picks to start "round three".
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