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Portland needs a big man?
« on: February 19, 2014, 12:20:33 PM »

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So, in the span of about a week, the Blazers have lost the following big men to injury:

Aldridge, groin strain, out 1 week minimum
Leonard, ankle sprain, out 2-3 weeks
Freeland, MCL sprain, out 4-8 weeks

The only healthy bigs in Portland right now are Lopez, Robinson, and an undersized Claver. That's it.

I thought the Blazers were the best candidate for a Bass trade all season, and now it seems even more so. Will it happen? It's got to, right?
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Re: Portland needs a big man?
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2014, 12:30:15 PM »

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what are you proposing the send us in exchange?  All for shipping out Bass but what do you think they'd send?

I'm not familiar with what they have for matching contracts (and don't want to play on trade checker at the moment) to find out who's a fit money wise.  I'd be satisfied with a matching contract and a future first -- 2017 would be fine.  we'd have 2 for that year then

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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2014, 12:31:50 PM »

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So, in the span of about a week, the Blazers have lost the following big men to injury:

Aldridge, groin strain, out 1 week minimum
Leonard, ankle sprain, out 2-3 weeks
Freeland, MCL sprain, out 4-8 weeks

The only healthy bigs in Portland right now are Lopez, Robinson, and an undersized Claver. That's it.

I thought the Blazers were the best candidate for a Bass trade all season, and now it seems even more so. Will it happen? It's got to, right?
I think they'll do just fine with a one-week stop-gap.
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Re: Portland needs a big man?
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2014, 12:39:52 PM »

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Id do a 20 plus first round and filler for both green and bass.

Re: Portland needs a big man?
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2014, 12:42:30 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2014, 12:48:00 PM »

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what are you proposing the send us in exchange?  All for shipping out Bass but what do you think they'd send?

I'm not familiar with what they have for matching contracts (and don't want to play on trade checker at the moment) to find out who's a fit money wise.  I'd be satisfied with a matching contract and a future first -- 2017 would be fine.  we'd have 2 for that year then

And that's exactly the problem.  They have not much in the way of expiring contracts, no 1st round pick this year, and no 2nd round picks until 2018 (and even that 2018 pick can be swapped).  You could probably work out a deal where you got Meyers Leonard in return, if that really suits your fancy, but if you actually have seen Meyers Leonard play basketball, and not just looked at his height, it's not likely to do so.

I mean, if they were willing to part with a 2017 1st rounder, I'd probably be game.  But otherwise, Portland's made most of the trades it can make just to get to where they are now.

Re: Portland needs a big man?
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2014, 12:48:37 PM »

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Id do a 20 plus first round and filler for both green and bass.
they don't have their first this year
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Re: Portland needs a big man?
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2014, 02:17:41 PM »

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what are you proposing the send us in exchange?  All for shipping out Bass but what do you think they'd send?

I'm not familiar with what they have for matching contracts (and don't want to play on trade checker at the moment) to find out who's a fit money wise.  I'd be satisfied with a matching contract and a future first -- 2017 would be fine.  we'd have 2 for that year then

And that's exactly the problem.  They have not much in the way of expiring contracts, no 1st round pick this year, and no 2nd round picks until 2018 (and even that 2018 pick can be swapped).  You could probably work out a deal where you got Meyers Leonard in return, if that really suits your fancy, but if you actually have seen Meyers Leonard play basketball, and not just looked at his height, it's not likely to do so.

I mean, if they were willing to part with a 2017 1st rounder, I'd probably be game.  But otherwise, Portland's made most of the trades it can make just to get to where they are now.

It's true: Portland doesn't have enough in expiring contracts to match Bass.

But they could offer something like Leonard, Claver (2-year deal), and Will Barton, whose contract for next year is non-guaranteed. And perhaps a 2nd rounder as well.

That'd give Boston a big man prospect, and immediate ($2 mil in payroll reduction) and future financial relief ($3 mil off next year's books).

Note: Boston would probably route Barton to a team with an open roster spot in exchange for cash; otherwise, they'd have to cut someone currently on the roster.
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2014, 02:22:37 PM »

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what are you proposing the send us in exchange?  All for shipping out Bass but what do you think they'd send?

I'm not familiar with what they have for matching contracts (and don't want to play on trade checker at the moment) to find out who's a fit money wise.  I'd be satisfied with a matching contract and a future first -- 2017 would be fine.  we'd have 2 for that year then

And that's exactly the problem.  They have not much in the way of expiring contracts, no 1st round pick this year, and no 2nd round picks until 2018 (and even that 2018 pick can be swapped).  You could probably work out a deal where you got Meyers Leonard in return, if that really suits your fancy, but if you actually have seen Meyers Leonard play basketball, and not just looked at his height, it's not likely to do so.

I mean, if they were willing to part with a 2017 1st rounder, I'd probably be game.  But otherwise, Portland's made most of the trades it can make just to get to where they are now.

It's true: Portland doesn't have enough in expiring contracts to match Bass.

But they could offer something like Leonard, Claver (2-year deal), and Will Barton, whose contract for next year is non-guaranteed. And perhaps a 2nd rounder as well.

That'd give Boston a big man prospect, and immediate ($2 mil in payroll reduction) and future financial relief ($3 mil off next year's books).

Note: Boston would probably route Barton to a team with an open roster spot in exchange for cash; otherwise, they'd have to cut someone currently on the roster.
If that's what Portland has to offer, I don't see a deal in the making.  have to do better than sketchy prospects, minimal salary relief and a second rounder

Re: Portland needs a big man?
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2014, 03:30:25 PM »

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I don't see how Boston gets a 2014 1st rounder for Bass, if that's what Ainge should hold out for.

A prospect on a rookie-scale contract like Robinson or Leonard, plus a little sweetener seems realistic to me. But, perhaps Ainge doesn't like Leonard or Robinson.
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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2014, 03:41:42 PM »

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I don't see how Boston gets a 2014 1st rounder for Bass, if that's what Ainge should hold out for.

A prospect on a rookie-scale contract like Robinson or Leonard, plus a little sweetener seems realistic to me. But, perhaps Ainge doesn't like Leonard or Robinson.

I'm not saying that Bass will get a first rounder.  But should Danny want Robinson in return?  He's in his second year, and left college after his junior season, and he's one reason that Portland needs big man help.  Same is true with Leonard, except that he left school after his sophomore year.  They both should be showing more than they are.  You'd get limited cap savings next year, and next training camp decide to either keep whichever underperforming big you just got, taking up cap room for 2015 that you've been trying to save, or go the MarShon Brooks route and decline his fourth year (and the significant raise that comes along with it).  I'd think you should be able to get an expiring and a second rounder for Bass, if you're really intent on moving him.  Otherwise, just keep him around.  He's more useful than Thomas Robinson or Meyers Leonard.

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I don't see how Boston gets a 2014 1st rounder for Bass, if that's what Ainge should hold out for.

A prospect on a rookie-scale contract like Robinson or Leonard, plus a little sweetener seems realistic to me. But, perhaps Ainge doesn't like Leonard or Robinson.

I'm not saying that Bass will get a first rounder.  But should Danny want Robinson in return?  He's in his second year, and left college after his junior season, and he's one reason that Portland needs big man help.  Same is true with Leonard, except that he left school after his sophomore year.  They both should be showing more than they are.  You'd get limited cap savings next year, and next training camp decide to either keep whichever underperforming big you just got, taking up cap room for 2015 that you've been trying to save, or go the MarShon Brooks route and decline his fourth year (and the significant raise that comes along with it).  I'd think you should be able to get an expiring and a second rounder for Bass, if you're really intent on moving him.  Otherwise, just keep him around.  He's more useful than Thomas Robinson or Meyers Leonard.

I'd pull the trigger for Thomas Robinson for Bass in a heartbeat. Kid is young, and has a lot of upside.

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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2014, 03:50:27 PM »

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I don't see how Boston gets a 2014 1st rounder for Bass, if that's what Ainge should hold out for.

A prospect on a rookie-scale contract like Robinson or Leonard, plus a little sweetener seems realistic to me. But, perhaps Ainge doesn't like Leonard or Robinson.

I'm not saying that Bass will get a first rounder.  But should Danny want Robinson in return?  He's in his second year, and left college after his junior season, and he's one reason that Portland needs big man help.  Same is true with Leonard, except that he left school after his sophomore year.  They both should be showing more than they are.  You'd get limited cap savings next year, and next training camp decide to either keep whichever underperforming big you just got, taking up cap room for 2015 that you've been trying to save, or go the MarShon Brooks route and decline his fourth year (and the significant raise that comes along with it).  I'd think you should be able to get an expiring and a second rounder for Bass, if you're really intent on moving him.  Otherwise, just keep him around.  He's more useful than Thomas Robinson or Meyers Leonard.

I'd pull the trigger for Thomas Robinson for Bass in a heartbeat. Kid is young, and has a lot of upside.

Me too. But even if that was a possibility, Portland is going to ask for a least a pick.

But if it was straight up? Absolutely. Stevens could make Robinson a deadly big man inside.
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2014, 03:54:07 PM »

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I don't see how Boston gets a 2014 1st rounder for Bass, if that's what Ainge should hold out for.

A prospect on a rookie-scale contract like Robinson or Leonard, plus a little sweetener seems realistic to me. But, perhaps Ainge doesn't like Leonard or Robinson.

I'm not saying that Bass will get a first rounder.  But should Danny want Robinson in return?  He's in his second year, and left college after his junior season, and he's one reason that Portland needs big man help.  Same is true with Leonard, except that he left school after his sophomore year.  They both should be showing more than they are.  You'd get limited cap savings next year, and next training camp decide to either keep whichever underperforming big you just got, taking up cap room for 2015 that you've been trying to save, or go the MarShon Brooks route and decline his fourth year (and the significant raise that comes along with it).  I'd think you should be able to get an expiring and a second rounder for Bass, if you're really intent on moving him.  Otherwise, just keep him around.  He's more useful than Thomas Robinson or Meyers Leonard.

I'd pull the trigger for Thomas Robinson for Bass in a heartbeat. Kid is young, and has a lot of upside.

Me too. But even if that was a possibility, Portland is going to ask for a least a pick.

But if it was straight up? Absolutely. Stevens could make Robinson a deadly big man inside.

I doubt that...Bass is producing a lot more than Robinson and they are barely using him. I think we can get away with Bass for Robinson...at worst, we can throw in a 2nd, but that's the only thing I would give them as of now.

They have a great rotation now with Aldridge, Lopez and adding Bass only gives them another reliable big off the bench. This is a win win on both side, Portland gets more lethal, while we shed a big contract and take on a young stud

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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2014, 03:59:17 PM »

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Bass


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