Ric Bucher: C's seeking first rounder and up-and-coming player for Green

[Chris]

This is a convoluted rumor, but I think it is about right for Green.  Up and comer is not a blue chip prospect.  It might be someone on the level of Olynyk.  A player with some potential, but more likely projects as a role player, plus a (likely late) first round pick.

I know it is in vogue to hate Jeff Green right now, but he is still a productive, versatile wing, who would have a lot of value to many teams. 

[kozlodoev]

Confused about the Humphries part? He is expiring his contract does not matter, Wallace on the other hand is a cap killer.

I wouldn't be surprised if Danny said if you want Rondo you take Wallace with him!

Unloading Humphries makes it easier to absorb a player with Pierce's TE, I guess.

[clover]

This is a convoluted rumor, but I think it is about right for Green.  Up and comer is not a blue chip prospect.  It might be someone on the level of Olynyk.  A player with some potential, but more likely projects as a role player, plus a (likely late) first round pick.

I know it is in vogue to hate Jeff Green right now, but he is still a productive, versatile wing, who would have a lot of value to many teams.

Another chance to underestimate KO, I suppose.

[csfansince60s]

So how about

Ben Gordon + Brendan Haywood + Biyombo + Portland's 2014 1st

for

Green + Humphries

Too logical and makes too much sense for Air"head" Jordan.

[BleedGreen1989]

So how about

Ben Gordon + Brendan Haywood + Biyombo + Portland's 2014 1st

for

Green + Humphries

Too logical and makes too much sense for Air"head" Jordan.

Anybody else think Bismack Biyombo may actually be 34 years old? Remember all the mystery surrounding his age when he declared for the draft?

[dysgenic]

I'd be happy to get a pick in the 20's for Green, let alone an up and coming player.

TP. Me, too.  Green is a solid starter in this league, but not a star or game changer (though he may look like one 3-4x a year).  When was the last time we saw a player like him fetch a 1st AND and up and comer?  C'mon, now.

[Chris]

I'd be happy to get a pick in the 20's for Green, let alone an up and coming player.

TP. Me, too.  Green is a solid starter in this league, but not a star or game changer (though he may look like one 3-4x a year).  When was the last time we saw a player like him fetch a 1st AND and up and comer?  C'mon, now.

Perk?

[winsomme]

This is a convoluted rumor, but I think it is about right for Green.  Up and comer is not a blue chip prospect.  It might be someone on the level of Olynyk.  A player with some potential, but more likely projects as a role player, plus a (likely late) first round pick.

I know it is in vogue to hate Jeff Green right now, but he is still a productive, versatile wing, who would have a lot of value to many teams.

agreed. I've actually turned the corner on him and would be kinda sad to see him go. He is frustrating for sure, but only because he has elite size, athleticism, and skills yet doesn't always play to them...

[Chris]

This is a convoluted rumor, but I think it is about right for Green.  Up and comer is not a blue chip prospect.  It might be someone on the level of Olynyk.  A player with some potential, but more likely projects as a role player, plus a (likely late) first round pick.

I know it is in vogue to hate Jeff Green right now, but he is still a productive, versatile wing, who would have a lot of value to many teams.

agreed. I've actually turned the corner on him and would be kinda sad to see him go. He is frustrating for sure, but only because he has elite size, athleticism, and skills yet doesn't always play to them...

The other point I meant to mention was that Danny simply is in no rush to trade Green.  There is no real motivation to trade him now, when his value would almost certainly not drop next year.  He is what he is, and his value will probably remain constant, plus having his contract next year could provide them with extra flexibility.  So, he can ask for a premium now, if any team really wants the help for the playoffs.  Otherwise, just hold out, and sell him off next year, if they decide not to go forward with him.

[moiso]

That report makes it sound like Danny values Rondo about the same as he does Green, which is just nonsense.

It's also sort of silly to expect a team to give up a #1 and a player with upside for Green.

And I concur with the above:  why would Humphries be attached?  Why are we hoping to unload him, when he's expiring?

Agreed.

A first and a young prospect for Green was another hearty laugh.

Why?

That's what the C's were asking for Ray Allen when he was expiring remember?

You really equate Jeff Green and Ray Allen?

I mean, no one is happier than I am to be rid of the rotting, fetid corpse that is Perkins' career, but Jeff Green and Ray Allen should never be mentioned in the same sentence.

Ray Allen in 2011-2012 with his various injuries and being a FA (so you don't get to keep him for the future)?

Yeah I'd expect similar sort of value for Jeff Green. In some circumstances the shorter deal (Allen) would be more desirable to teams. For other teams if they're trading a pick for a player they want more than a half season for him.

I don't see it. Ray was a specialist that could fit into any team  and had too many clutch shots to count. He brought shooting, clutch shots and championship experience. Fitting Jeff Green onto a team is a lot harder, he doesn't have a defined role or purpose besides "occasionally scores a lot".

Of course Ray Allen could fit in on any team because he was a very nice clutch 3point shooting specialist at that point.  I think Green can offer greater overall production at his current age.

[kozlodoev]

I'd be happy to get a pick in the 20's for Green, let alone an up and coming player.

TP. Me, too.  Green is a solid starter in this league, but not a star or game changer (though he may look like one 3-4x a year).  When was the last time we saw a player like him fetch a 1st AND and up and comer?  C'mon, now.

First-round picks are now reserved for "game changers"? Really?

For reference, Deng was traded for Bynum, a top-10 protected first-rounder, and a first-round swap right (top 12 protected).

A first-round pick is an absolutely reasonable price for anyone who can start in the NBA.

[PhoSita]

So how about

Ben Gordon + Brendan Haywood + Biyombo + Portland's 2014 1st

for

Green + Humphries

Too logical and makes too much sense for Air"head" Jordan.

Anybody else think Bismack Biyombo may actually be 34 years old? Remember all the mystery surrounding his age when he declared for the draft?

You think he looks 34 years old?


I think it's plausible he might be a bit older than 21, but not that much older. 

In any case, it's not like the issue is that he hasn't grown into his body yet.  He's got every physical tool required to be a useful player, and he's already been fairly productive.  He's already a solid backup defensive center.  He'd be a fantastic value to get for unloading Green.

[BleedGreen1989]

So how about

Ben Gordon + Brendan Haywood + Biyombo + Portland's 2014 1st

for

Green + Humphries

Too logical and makes too much sense for Air"head" Jordan.

Anybody else think Bismack Biyombo may actually be 34 years old? Remember all the mystery surrounding his age when he declared for the draft?

You think he looks 34 years old?


I think it's plausible he might be a bit older than 21, but not that much older. 

In any case, it's not like the issue is that he hasn't grown into his body yet.  He's got every physical tool required to be a useful player, and he's already been fairly productive.  He's already a solid backup defensive center.  He'd be a fantastic value to get for unloading Green.

Yeah, I was mostly joking. I just remember all this mystery around his age and he really didn't have a birth certificate.

I would do the deal you proposed and agree he still has very good potential as a defensive game-changer.

I do wonder though why he is only playing 16 mins. Just a bad fit with Big Al or what? He's shooting 65% and averaging 4 points and 5 rebounds with a block thrown in there.

[ssspence]

I'd be happy to get a pick in the 20's for Green, let alone an up and coming player.

TP. Me, too.  Green is a solid starter in this league, but not a star or game changer (though he may look like one 3-4x a year).  When was the last time we saw a player like him fetch a 1st AND and up and comer?  C'mon, now.

Perk?

Don't think it's appropriate to compare old CBA deals to new CBA deals.

Teams have become overly protective of trading 1st round picks in the new deal, to a fault IMO. It's harder to pry 1st round picks out of teams than ever.

There's also greater sensitivity to long-term contracts. The length & dollars of Green's deal would have been passe 5 years ago. Now his commitment is likely a detriment, not a plus.

[PhoSita]

So how about

Ben Gordon + Brendan Haywood + Biyombo + Portland's 2014 1st

for

Green + Humphries

Too logical and makes too much sense for Air"head" Jordan.

Anybody else think Bismack Biyombo may actually be 34 years old? Remember all the mystery surrounding his age when he declared for the draft?

You think he looks 34 years old?


I think it's plausible he might be a bit older than 21, but not that much older. 

In any case, it's not like the issue is that he hasn't grown into his body yet.  He's got every physical tool required to be a useful player, and he's already been fairly productive.  He's already a solid backup defensive center.  He'd be a fantastic value to get for unloading Green.

Yeah, I was mostly joking. I just remember all this mystery around his age and he really didn't have a birth certificate.

I would do the deal you proposed and agree he still has very good potential as a defensive game-changer.

I do wonder though why he is only playing 16 mins. Just a bad fit with Big Al or what? He's shooting 65% and averaging 4 points and 5 rebounds with a block thrown in there.

I think Big Al can only really play at center, so that limits Biyombo's time.  They also need to get time for their recent high lottery pick Zeller, and he's functionally a center, too.