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Re: Ric Bucher: C's seeking first rounder and up-and-coming player for Green
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2014, 10:14:02 AM »

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If its a late first rounder and young prospect, its a little more palatable as a starting although I think Danny would have to come off that.

That's before you even get into the several degrees of how an "up & coming" player can be construed.
Right in Ray's case it was OJ Mayo, a RFA to be, and a low first round pick.

That's the sort of value I'd imagine he's asking for when I hear first round pick and a prospect. Prospect could be someone like Bradley on another team. Not a star or potential star, but someone who could become a useful starter.

Re: Ric Bucher: C's seeking first rounder and up-and-coming player for Green
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2014, 10:17:15 AM »

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I believe Hump is included because Boston wants to get well below the tax line.
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Re: Ric Bucher: C's seeking first rounder and up-and-coming player for Green
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2014, 10:17:40 AM »

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Yay! More rumors. Get your salt shaker out...

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The Celtics, league sources say, are mining interest in both Jeff Green and Rajon Rondo, looking for an up-and-coming player and a first-round pick for starters on each. (The hope is to unload Kris Humphries and his $12 million salary in the process.)

first and up and coming player? Harrison Barnes and a first from the Warriors?

Waiters and a first from the Cavs?

Bradley Beal and a first from the Wizards?


Re: Ric Bucher: C's seeking first rounder and up-and-coming player for Green
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2014, 10:21:17 AM »

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That report makes it sound like Danny values Rondo about the same as he does Green, which is just nonsense.

It's also sort of silly to expect a team to give up a #1 and a player with upside for Green.

And I concur with the above:  why would Humphries be attached?  Why are we hoping to unload him, when he's expiring?

Agreed.

A first and a young prospect for Green was another hearty laugh.
Why?

That's what the C's were asking for Ray Allen when he was expiring remember?

You really equate Jeff Green and Ray Allen?

I mean, no one is happier than I am to be rid of the rotting, fetid corpse that is Perkins' career, but Jeff Green and Ray Allen should never be mentioned in the same sentence.
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Re: Ric Bucher: C's seeking first rounder and up-and-coming player for Green
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2014, 10:21:53 AM »

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Yay! More rumors. Get your salt shaker out...

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The Celtics, league sources say, are mining interest in both Jeff Green and Rajon Rondo, looking for an up-and-coming player and a first-round pick for starters on each. (The hope is to unload Kris Humphries and his $12 million salary in the process.)

first and up and coming player? Harrison Barnes and a first from the Warriors?

Waiters and a first from the Cavs?

Bradley Beal and a first from the Wizards?



Three lopsided deals for the C's.
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Re: Ric Bucher: C's seeking first rounder and up-and-coming player for Green
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2014, 10:21:55 AM »

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I believe Hump is included because Boston wants to get well below the tax line.
Yeah cost cutting moves make sense this season.

The massive BKN tax payment has teams running below the tax even faster than normal. Every other owner has to be rooting for that Jordan Hill to BKN rumored trade.

That'd be 15 million in tax roughly. So if 5 teams are still paying it at the end of the season then that move alone would be 600k in every non-tax payers pocket.

Re: Ric Bucher: C's seeking first rounder and up-and-coming player for Green
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2014, 10:25:29 AM »

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That report makes it sound like Danny values Rondo about the same as he does Green, which is just nonsense.

It's also sort of silly to expect a team to give up a #1 and a player with upside for Green.

And I concur with the above:  why would Humphries be attached?  Why are we hoping to unload him, when he's expiring?

Agreed.

A first and a young prospect for Green was another hearty laugh.
Why?

That's what the C's were asking for Ray Allen when he was expiring remember?

You really equate Jeff Green and Ray Allen?

I mean, no one is happier than I am to be rid of the rotting, fetid corpse that is Perkins' career, but Jeff Green and Ray Allen should never be mentioned in the same sentence.
Ray Allen in 2011-2012 with his various injuries and being a FA (so you don't get to keep him for the future)?

Yeah I'd expect similar sort of value for Jeff Green. In some circumstances the shorter deal (Allen) would be more desirable to teams. For other teams if they're trading a pick for a player they want more than a half season for him.

Re: Ric Bucher: C's seeking first rounder and up-and-coming player for Green
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2014, 10:28:31 AM »

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That report makes it sound like Danny values Rondo about the same as he does Green, which is just nonsense.

It's also sort of silly to expect a team to give up a #1 and a player with upside for Green.

And I concur with the above:  why would Humphries be attached?  Why are we hoping to unload him, when he's expiring?

We are  looking to unload Humphries because he is helping us win too many games. Maybe unload isn't the right word because while the Cs want to move him certainly he would be a valuable piece to the team he would be going to.

The players that I would be interested in are Harrison Barnes and MKG. Green and Hump would be very helpful to both of those teams in their pushes for the playoffs, but I don't really know what packages would look like to entice both sides.

Re: Ric Bucher: C's seeking first rounder and up-and-coming player for Green
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2014, 10:30:17 AM »

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That report makes it sound like Danny values Rondo about the same as he does Green, which is just nonsense.

It's also sort of silly to expect a team to give up a #1 and a player with upside for Green.

And I concur with the above:  why would Humphries be attached?  Why are we hoping to unload him, when he's expiring?

Agreed.

A first and a young prospect for Green was another hearty laugh.
Why?

That's what the C's were asking for Ray Allen when he was expiring remember?

You really equate Jeff Green and Ray Allen?

I mean, no one is happier than I am to be rid of the rotting, fetid corpse that is Perkins' career, but Jeff Green and Ray Allen should never be mentioned in the same sentence.
Ray Allen in 2011-2012 with his various injuries and being a FA (so you don't get to keep him for the future)?

Yeah I'd expect similar sort of value for Jeff Green. In some circumstances the shorter deal (Allen) would be more desirable to teams. For other teams if they're trading a pick for a player they want more than a half season for him.

I don't see it. Ray was a specialist that could fit into any team  and had too many clutch shots to count. He brought shooting, clutch shots and championship experience. Fitting Jeff Green onto a team is a lot harder, he doesn't have a defined role or purpose besides "occasionally scores a lot".
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Re: Ric Bucher: C's seeking first rounder and up-and-coming player for Green
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2014, 10:48:11 AM »

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So how about

Ben Gordon + Brendan Haywood + Biyombo + Portland's 2014 1st

for

Green + Humphries
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Re: Ric Bucher: C's seeking first rounder and up-and-coming player for Green
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2014, 10:48:36 AM »

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That report makes it sound like Danny values Rondo about the same as he does Green, which is just nonsense.

It's also sort of silly to expect a team to give up a #1 and a player with upside for Green.

And I concur with the above:  why would Humphries be attached?  Why are we hoping to unload him, when he's expiring?
This is where "picks" are so fungible I bet. Asking for a low pick for green and a younger player isn't crazy place to start for Green.

Similarly 2 picks for Rondo certainly doesn't mean two low picks like I imagine he'd accept for Green.

Yeah, after reading it again I can see how vague it is, but I agree with Faf.

It's very subjective on what you consider an "up and comer" and first rounder. Is Jeff Green to Charlotte for Jeff Taylor and POR first that ridiculous?
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Re: Ric Bucher: C's seeking first rounder and up-and-coming player for Green
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2014, 10:51:07 AM »

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That report makes it sound like Danny values Rondo about the same as he does Green, which is just nonsense.

It's also sort of silly to expect a team to give up a #1 and a player with upside for Green.

And I concur with the above:  why would Humphries be attached?  Why are we hoping to unload him, when he's expiring?

Agreed.

A first and a young prospect for Green was another hearty laugh.
Why?

That's what the C's were asking for Ray Allen when he was expiring remember?

You really equate Jeff Green and Ray Allen?

I mean, no one is happier than I am to be rid of the rotting, fetid corpse that is Perkins' career, but Jeff Green and Ray Allen should never be mentioned in the same sentence.
Ray Allen in 2011-2012 with his various injuries and being a FA (so you don't get to keep him for the future)?

Yeah I'd expect similar sort of value for Jeff Green. In some circumstances the shorter deal (Allen) would be more desirable to teams. For other teams if they're trading a pick for a player they want more than a half season for him.

I don't see it. Ray was a specialist that could fit into any team  and had too many clutch shots to count. He brought shooting, clutch shots and championship experience. Fitting Jeff Green onto a team is a lot harder, he doesn't have a defined role or purpose besides "occasionally scores a lot".

Green's defense is under-appreciated IMO. In the playoffs, he can man-up on those potent wings like Lebron and George and do a solid job there. I agree that his offense is dicey but again he can drop 30 which is a nice potential weapon...

Re: Ric Bucher: C's seeking first rounder and up-and-coming player for Green
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2014, 10:52:13 AM »

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That report makes it sound like Danny values Rondo about the same as he does Green, which is just nonsense.

It's also sort of silly to expect a team to give up a #1 and a player with upside for Green.

And I concur with the above:  why would Humphries be attached?  Why are we hoping to unload him, when he's expiring?
This is where "picks" are so fungible I bet. Asking for a low pick for green and a younger player isn't crazy place to start for Green.

Similarly 2 picks for Rondo certainly doesn't mean two low picks like I imagine he'd accept for Green.

Yeah, after reading it again I can see how vague it is, but I agree with Faf.

It's very subjective on what you consider an "up and comer" and first rounder. Is Jeff Green to Charlotte for Jeff Taylor and POR first that ridiculous?

I would say no, except that Jeff Taylor ruptured his Achilles.  Not 100% that he's an NBA player in the future.
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Re: Ric Bucher: C's seeking first rounder and up-and-coming player for Green
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2014, 10:55:08 AM »

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I'd be happy to get a pick in the 20's for Green, let alone an up and coming player.

Re: Ric Bucher: C's seeking first rounder and up-and-coming player for Green
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2014, 11:04:16 AM »

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First rounder for Uncle Snooze? LOL! 

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