BOSTON/ATLANTA/PHOENIX 3-Way Trade Idea

[colincb]

Phoenix gives up a mediocre big in Frye, and Okafor's expiring to acquire players who can contribute to a playoff run.

I guarantee you that nearly every single team in the NBA (save for some tanking teams) would rather have Channing Frye over Brandon Bass.

That despite Bass having a better career PER and TS% and being a better defensive player from every stat I've seen. Younger too and less foul prone. Just goes to show you that NBA GMs don't check stats.

I'm not a fan of PER, but if you only compare Frye's time in Phoenix vs Bass in Boston, Frye has a better PER and TS%.

I'm not a fan of PER either, but I was comparing career PER stats. If I were to cherrypick stats I would point out that Bass's PER this year is higher than Frye's.

Offensively, there's not much difference between the 2 players' stats. Defensively, Bass is better, but not by enough to make this a major upgrade. That's far different than saying every GM in the NBA would take Frye, particularly when he's a couple of years older and over 30.

[demiurg]

Phoenix gives up a mediocre big in Frye, and Okafor's expiring to acquire players who can contribute to a playoff run.

You're clueless.
I guarantee you that nearly every single team in the NBA (save for some tanking teams) would rather have Channing Frye over Brandon Bass.

That despite Bass having a better career PER and TS% and being a better defensive player from every stat I've seen. Younger too and less foul prone. Just goes to show you that NBA GMs don't check stats.

Frye is a better rim protector and post defender than Bass and his 3-point shooting provides spacing and opens driving lanes to the rim for guards. Frye's on/off court +/- stats are elite.

Opponent FG% at rim:
Frye 49.5%
Bass 51.3%

Points per play allowed on post ups:
Frye 0.76 (148 plays)
Bass 0.92 (118 plays)

You're cherrypicking stats off of Synergy.  Bass's defensive stats are superior overall.

Well, you said that Bass is a better defensive player "from EVERY stat you've seen". That is clearly not true. Here's more:

On/Off court DefRtg:

Frye:
102.6 ON
103.9 OFF

Bass:
104.2 ON
101.4 OFF

The Suns are 1.3 pts per 100 possessions better on defense with Frye on the court, while the Cletics are 2.8 pts worse with Bass on the court.

[pearljammer10]

How do we get two first rounders out of this deal?

[demiurg]

Phoenix gives up a mediocre big in Frye, and Okafor's expiring to acquire players who can contribute to a playoff run.

I guarantee you that nearly every single team in the NBA (save for some tanking teams) would rather have Channing Frye over Brandon Bass.

That despite Bass having a better career PER and TS% and being a better defensive player from every stat I've seen. Younger too and less foul prone. Just goes to show you that NBA GMs don't check stats.

I'm not a fan of PER, but if you only compare Frye's time in Phoenix vs Bass in Boston, Frye has a better PER and TS%.

I'm not a fan of PER either, but I was comparing career PER stats. If I were to cherrypick stats I would point out that Bass's PER this year is higher than Frye's.

Offensively, there's not much difference between the 2 players' stats. Defensively, Bass is better, but not by enough to make this a major upgrade. That's far different than saying every GM in the NBA would take Frye, particularly when he's a couple of years older and over 30.

There's a HUGE difference offensively between Frye and Bass - 3-point shotting which is essential in today's NBA.

Just look at their offensive rating this year:
Frye 111.7
Bass 96.6

Oh and Bass ISN'T better defensively, at all.

[Jeff]

sorry, but I stop reading every time Gerald Wallace is brought up

[Fafnir]

No way is Phoenix sending out Frye + a pick of any type for Bass and Gerald Wallace.

Frye's shooting is one of the things that makes their offense hum.

[Depalma2002]

sorry, but I stop reading every time Gerald Wallace is brought up

+1

[Geo123]

Bass is not a piece this team needs. Green (although one of my favorite players to watch) is proving to be too mercurial to build around as a core player. We also need to figure out a way to dump Gerald Wallace to really free up the cap room to go full rebuild around Rondo/Bradley/Sullinger and the young talent.

Boston Receives:

Emeka Okafor , Elton Brand, Demarre Carroll, ATL 1st rounder (whichever one they own that is most tradeable), PHOENIX 1st rounder

Atlanta Receives:

Jeff Green, Channing Frye

Phoenix Receives:

Brandon Bass, Gerald Wallace, Lou Williams



Phoenix gives up a mediocre big in Frye, and Okafor's expiring to acquire players who can contribute to a playoff run.

Atlanta gets Jeff Green who they want and Frye, to make their run.

Boston gives up a current center piece talent on the roster, a solid player in Bass, and gets to dump the Wallace contract and also take on a ton of expiring $$$. We get instant cap room to go after big FA's next season, a solid prospect in Carroll, and a couple more 1st rounders to stockpile for trades/team building.


The one obvious thing that holds up this trade is whether or not Phoenix is willing to take on Wallace, but Okafor provides nothing for their playoff run, and injecting Bass, Lou Williams, and Wallace in to their roster does make them a stronger team now.

There is no way Phoenix is picking up Wallace and I don't see them trading Frye either.... 

[colincb]

Phoenix gives up a mediocre big in Frye, and Okafor's expiring to acquire players who can contribute to a playoff run.

You're clueless.
I guarantee you that nearly every single team in the NBA (save for some tanking teams) would rather have Channing Frye over Brandon Bass.

That despite Bass having a better career PER and TS% and being a better defensive player from every stat I've seen. Younger too and less foul prone. Just goes to show you that NBA GMs don't check stats.

Frye is a better rim protector and post defender than Bass and his 3-point shooting provides spacing and opens driving lanes to the rim for guards. Frye's on/off court +/- stats are elite.

Opponent FG% at rim:
Frye 49.5%
Bass 51.3%

Points per play allowed on post ups:
Frye 0.76 (148 plays)
Bass 0.92 (118 plays)

You're cherrypicking stats off of Synergy.  Bass's defensive stats are superior overall.

Well, you said that Bass is a better defensive player "from EVERY stat you've seen". That is clearly not true. Here's more:

On/Off court DefRtg:

Frye:
102.6 ON
103.9 OFF

Bass:
104.2 ON
101.4 OFF

The Suns are 1.3 pts per 100 possessions better on defense with Frye on the court, while the Cletics are 2.8 pts worse with Bass on the court.

Go back to Synergy and look at his defensive points per possession situational and overall stats vs Frye's. +/- stats are pretty unreliable and it's no secret either.

[sdceltsfan]

Just threw out an idea.....so glad to see everyone so hyped on it.

Like I said in the first post, Gerald Wallace to PHO holds it up. I think you guys are overvaluing Frye, but I'm also not a fan of him, so maybe I undervalued him in the trade.


I constructed something based on actual rumors.....not like half the people on here who throw out ridiculous offers with teams that have no trade connection at the time. It is a trade that checks out, and from the start I thought Phoenix was getting the shortest end on it.

My question to you all is, if they "aren't" trading Okafor and they "aren't" trading Frye (and obviously guys like Dragic/Bledsoe), WHO exactly are they giving up contract-wise to take back pieces like Brandon Bass?

[Moranis]

Just threw out an idea.....so glad to see everyone so hyped on it.

Like I said in the first post, Gerald Wallace to PHO holds it up. I think you guys are overvaluing Frye, but I'm also not a fan of him, so maybe I undervalued him in the trade.


I constructed something based on actual rumors.....not like half the people on here who throw out ridiculous offers with teams that have no trade connection at the time. It is a trade that checks out, and from the start I thought Phoenix was getting the shortest end on it.

My question to you all is, if they "aren't" trading Okafor and they "aren't" trading Frye (and obviously guys like Dragic/Bledsoe), WHO exactly are they giving up contract-wise to take back pieces like Brandon Bass?

You haven't read this thread very well if that is your conclusion.  The theme of the thread is they aren't trading those guys and taking on Wallace, not that they aren't trading those guys.

[cletus1985]

Just threw out an idea.....so glad to see everyone so hyped on it.

Like I said in the first post, Gerald Wallace to PHO holds it up. I think you guys are overvaluing Frye, but I'm also not a fan of him, so maybe I undervalued him in the trade.


I constructed something based on actual rumors.....not like half the people on here who throw out ridiculous offers with teams that have no trade connection at the time. It is a trade that checks out, and from the start I thought Phoenix was getting the shortest end on it.

My question to you all is, if they "aren't" trading Okafor and they "aren't" trading Frye (and obviously guys like Dragic/Bledsoe), WHO exactly are they giving up contract-wise to take back pieces like Brandon Bass?

You haven't read this thread very well if that is your conclusion.  The theme of the thread is they aren't trading those guys and taking on Wallace, not that they aren't trading those guys.

Yeah I agree, it sounds like they can get Pau Gasol for Okafor which is a much better win now move without the long term cap problems, no logical reason to do a trade like this.

If that falls through and they truly want Bass at the deadline I'd try Bass and J. Anthony for Okafor ( and possibly a 2nd rd pick ). Most likely no pick if they agree to take back Anthony though. If we can pull off that trade I'd be thrilled to clear that cap space and possibly use some of it to resign Okafor if he'd take a reasonable salary.

[Moranis]

Just threw out an idea.....so glad to see everyone so hyped on it.

Like I said in the first post, Gerald Wallace to PHO holds it up. I think you guys are overvaluing Frye, but I'm also not a fan of him, so maybe I undervalued him in the trade.


I constructed something based on actual rumors.....not like half the people on here who throw out ridiculous offers with teams that have no trade connection at the time. It is a trade that checks out, and from the start I thought Phoenix was getting the shortest end on it.

My question to you all is, if they "aren't" trading Okafor and they "aren't" trading Frye (and obviously guys like Dragic/Bledsoe), WHO exactly are they giving up contract-wise to take back pieces like Brandon Bass?

You haven't read this thread very well if that is your conclusion.  The theme of the thread is they aren't trading those guys and taking on Wallace, not that they aren't trading those guys.

Yeah I agree, it sounds like they can get Pau Gasol for Okafor which is a much better win now move without the long term cap problems, no logical reason to do a trade like this.

If that falls through and they truly want Bass at the deadline I'd try Bass and J. Anthony for Okafor ( and possibly a 2nd rd pick ). Most likely no pick if they agree to take back Anthony though. If we can pull off that trade I'd be thrilled to clear that cap space and possibly use some of it to resign Okafor if he'd take a reasonable salary.

Anthony can't be traded with any other player (until after the trade deadline) so that one doesn't work.

[LooseCannon]

Just threw out an idea.....so glad to see everyone so hyped on it.

Like I said in the first post, Gerald Wallace to PHO holds it up. I think you guys are overvaluing Frye, but I'm also not a fan of him, so maybe I undervalued him in the trade.


I constructed something based on actual rumors.....not like half the people on here who throw out ridiculous offers with teams that have no trade connection at the time. It is a trade that checks out, and from the start I thought Phoenix was getting the shortest end on it.

My question to you all is, if they "aren't" trading Okafor and they "aren't" trading Frye (and obviously guys like Dragic/Bledsoe), WHO exactly are they giving up contract-wise to take back pieces like Brandon Bass?

You haven't read this thread very well if that is your conclusion.  The theme of the thread is they aren't trading those guys and taking on Wallace, not that they aren't trading those guys.

Yeah I agree, it sounds like they can get Pau Gasol for Okafor which is a much better win now move without the long term cap problems, no logical reason to do a trade like this.

If that falls through and they truly want Bass at the deadline I'd try Bass and J. Anthony for Okafor ( and possibly a 2nd rd pick ). Most likely no pick if they agree to take back Anthony though. If we can pull off that trade I'd be thrilled to clear that cap space and possibly use some of it to resign Okafor if he'd take a reasonable salary.

You can't aggregate Joel Anthony's salary with another player's contract before the deadline.

[cletus1985]

Just threw out an idea.....so glad to see everyone so hyped on it.

Like I said in the first post, Gerald Wallace to PHO holds it up. I think you guys are overvaluing Frye, but I'm also not a fan of him, so maybe I undervalued him in the trade.


I constructed something based on actual rumors.....not like half the people on here who throw out ridiculous offers with teams that have no trade connection at the time. It is a trade that checks out, and from the start I thought Phoenix was getting the shortest end on it.

My question to you all is, if they "aren't" trading Okafor and they "aren't" trading Frye (and obviously guys like Dragic/Bledsoe), WHO exactly are they giving up contract-wise to take back pieces like Brandon Bass?

You haven't read this thread very well if that is your conclusion.  The theme of the thread is they aren't trading those guys and taking on Wallace, not that they aren't trading those guys.

Yeah I agree, it sounds like they can get Pau Gasol for Okafor which is a much better win now move without the long term cap problems, no logical reason to do a trade like this.

If that falls through and they truly want Bass at the deadline I'd try Bass and J. Anthony for Okafor ( and possibly a 2nd rd pick ). Most likely no pick if they agree to take back Anthony though. If we can pull off that trade I'd be thrilled to clear that cap space and possibly use some of it to resign Okafor if he'd take a reasonable salary.

Anthony can't be traded with any other player (until after the trade deadline) so that one doesn't work.

Yep, I completely forgot about that, my bad. I don't really see any other way to facilitate that trade either unless someone takes Anthony for a trade exception to clear the necessary cap room and then we'd be sending out picks.

We could do Bass and Green for Okafor + picks if they wanted Green too, but I'm not too excited about doing that from our side.