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Re: Latest Trade Chatter (2/18) via Basketballinsiders.com (updated)
« Reply #60 on: February 19, 2014, 04:50:55 PM »

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I see no reason why Humphries should still be on this team after the deadline. Nothing personal against him, he's actually played well this year, but he will be a free agent and can definitely help a contender.

I'm sure we wouldn't get much, but even a distant future first would be worth it IMO.

Blazers? Clippers? Surely someone would take him.

The issue with trading Humphries' $12m expiring is that we'd probably have to take on long term salary in the deal. Contenders would likely being more interested, but they're also the likeliest to be well over cap. At this point, I'd rather just let him expire and not compromise future flexibility.

(Also, I'm sure Clippers would love to have him but we can't trade with them until this offseason because of the Doc Rivers situation).

The Celtics have a $10M trade exception. They can take back a vet min player.

You can always take on a player on a minimum contract without having to send anything back.

But if the Celtics trade Humphries, the other team has to send back payroll to match his huge contract. And chances are it won't be an expiring.

Then what is the exception good for? I thought it can be used to match salaries in a 1-for-1 deal?

You use the exception to take back the big contract from the other team. You don't give it to the other team so they can take the big contract from you.
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Re: Latest Trade Chatter (2/18) via Basketballinsiders.com (updated)
« Reply #61 on: February 19, 2014, 05:00:22 PM »

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I see no reason why Humphries should still be on this team after the deadline. Nothing personal against him, he's actually played well this year, but he will be a free agent and can definitely help a contender.

I'm sure we wouldn't get much, but even a distant future first would be worth it IMO.

Blazers? Clippers? Surely someone would take him.

The issue with trading Humphries' $12m expiring is that we'd probably have to take on long term salary in the deal. Contenders would likely being more interested, but they're also the likeliest to be well over cap. At this point, I'd rather just let him expire and not compromise future flexibility.

(Also, I'm sure Clippers would love to have him but we can't trade with them until this offseason because of the Doc Rivers situation).

The Celtics have a $10M trade exception. They can take back a vet min player.

You can always take on a player on a minimum contract without having to send anything back.

But if the Celtics trade Humphries, the other team has to send back payroll to match his huge contract. And chances are it won't be an expiring.

Then what is the exception good for? I thought it can be used to match salaries in a 1-for-1 deal?

You use the exception to take back the big contract from the other team. You don't give it to the other team so they can take the big contract from you.

Ahhh, OK. Thanks.

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Re: Latest Trade Chatter (2/18) via Basketballinsiders.com (updated)
« Reply #62 on: February 19, 2014, 05:05:08 PM »

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I see no reason why Humphries should still be on this team after the deadline. Nothing personal against him, he's actually played well this year, but he will be a free agent and can definitely help a contender.

I'm sure we wouldn't get much, but even a distant future first would be worth it IMO.

Blazers? Clippers? Surely someone would take him.
He's a classic buy-out candidate.  He's the kind of player that would have been on our radar over the past several years.  Overpaid role players on lotto teams that will want to get to a contender.

My guess is we buy him out and a team like the Blazers that need a big will sign him for the vet min.

We should only buy him out if he signs a contract that says he will not sign with the Heat. I would be upset if he went on to help them win another title.

Re: Latest Trade Chatter (2/18) via Basketballinsiders.com (updated)
« Reply #63 on: February 19, 2014, 05:19:37 PM »

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I see no reason why Humphries should still be on this team after the deadline. Nothing personal against him, he's actually played well this year, but he will be a free agent and can definitely help a contender.

I'm sure we wouldn't get much, but even a distant future first would be worth it IMO.

Blazers? Clippers? Surely someone would take him.
He's a classic buy-out candidate.  He's the kind of player that would have been on our radar over the past several years.  Overpaid role players on lotto teams that will want to get to a contender.

My guess is we buy him out and a team like the Blazers that need a big will sign him for the vet min.

We should only buy him out if he signs a contract that says he will not sign with the Heat. I would be upset if he went on to help them win another title.
Funny.  But seriously.. he's towards the top of anyone's "buy out candidates" list.  Expect him gone in a week or two.  Could end up with the Heat.  Doesn't matter.

Re: Latest Trade Chatter (2/18) via Basketballinsiders.com (updated)
« Reply #64 on: February 19, 2014, 05:24:36 PM »

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I see no reason why Humphries should still be on this team after the deadline. Nothing personal against him, he's actually played well this year, but he will be a free agent and can definitely help a contender.

I'm sure we wouldn't get much, but even a distant future first would be worth it IMO.

Blazers? Clippers? Surely someone would take him.

The issue with trading Humphries' $12m expiring is that we'd probably have to take on long term salary in the deal. Contenders would likely being more interested, but they're also the likeliest to be well over cap. At this point, I'd rather just let him expire and not compromise future flexibility.

(Also, I'm sure Clippers would love to have him but we can't trade with them until this offseason because of the Doc Rivers situation).

The Celtics have a $10M trade exception. They can take back a vet min player.

Right, but whatever team that's getting Humphries (if they're over cap like most contenders are) has to send out $12m to make room for Humphries unless the incoming team has a massive TPE to send back our way.

There are at least two teams that have those big contracts as expirings: CHA (Gordon) and Phoenix (Okafur).

Humphries would be great for both of those teams who are making a playoff push.

Humphries (a contributor now and an expiring) for their non-contributing expiring and another asset.

EDIT: Add Cleveland to that list with Deng, although that's more unlikely and Detroit with Villanueva.

Re: Latest Trade Chatter (2/18) via Basketballinsiders.com (updated)
« Reply #65 on: February 19, 2014, 05:29:34 PM »

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I see no reason why Humphries should still be on this team after the deadline. Nothing personal against him, he's actually played well this year, but he will be a free agent and can definitely help a contender.

I'm sure we wouldn't get much, but even a distant future first would be worth it IMO.

Blazers? Clippers? Surely someone would take him.

The issue with trading Humphries' $12m expiring is that we'd probably have to take on long term salary in the deal. Contenders would likely being more interested, but they're also the likeliest to be well over cap. At this point, I'd rather just let him expire and not compromise future flexibility.

(Also, I'm sure Clippers would love to have him but we can't trade with them until this offseason because of the Doc Rivers situation).

The Celtics have a $10M trade exception. They can take back a vet min player.

Right, but whatever team that's getting Humphries (if they're over cap like most contenders are) has to send out $12m to make room for Humphries unless the incoming team has a massive TPE to send back our way.

There are at least two teams that have those big contracts as expirings: CHA (Gordon) and Phoenix (Okafur).

Humphries would be great for both of those teams who are making a playoff push.

Humphries (a contributor now and an expiring) for their non-contributing expiring and another asset.

EDIT: Add Cleveland to that list with Deng, although that's more unlikely and Detroit with Villanueva.

Okafor's contract is medically insured, so it's more valuable than Humphries'. I think a straight swap would be fair.
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Re: Latest Trade Chatter (2/18) via Basketballinsiders.com (updated)
« Reply #66 on: February 19, 2014, 05:34:03 PM »

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I see no reason why Humphries should still be on this team after the deadline. Nothing personal against him, he's actually played well this year, but he will be a free agent and can definitely help a contender.

I'm sure we wouldn't get much, but even a distant future first would be worth it IMO.

Blazers? Clippers? Surely someone would take him.

The issue with trading Humphries' $12m expiring is that we'd probably have to take on long term salary in the deal. Contenders would likely being more interested, but they're also the likeliest to be well over cap. At this point, I'd rather just let him expire and not compromise future flexibility.

(Also, I'm sure Clippers would love to have him but we can't trade with them until this offseason because of the Doc Rivers situation).

The Celtics have a $10M trade exception. They can take back a vet min player.

Right, but whatever team that's getting Humphries (if they're over cap like most contenders are) has to send out $12m to make room for Humphries unless the incoming team has a massive TPE to send back our way.

There are at least two teams that have those big contracts as expirings: CHA (Gordon) and Phoenix (Okafur).

Humphries would be great for both of those teams who are making a playoff push.

Humphries (a contributor now and an expiring) for their non-contributing expiring and another asset.

EDIT: Add Cleveland to that list with Deng, although that's more unlikely and Detroit with Villanueva.

Charlotte is intriguing - an Al Jefferson / Kris Humphries frontcourt would dominate the boards. And I think they're desperate enough for a playoff spot to pull the trigger.
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Re: Latest Trade Chatter (2/18) via Basketballinsiders.com (updated)
« Reply #67 on: February 19, 2014, 05:42:27 PM »

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I see no reason why Humphries should still be on this team after the deadline. Nothing personal against him, he's actually played well this year, but he will be a free agent and can definitely help a contender.

I'm sure we wouldn't get much, but even a distant future first would be worth it IMO.

Blazers? Clippers? Surely someone would take him.

The issue with trading Humphries' $12m expiring is that we'd probably have to take on long term salary in the deal. Contenders would likely being more interested, but they're also the likeliest to be well over cap. At this point, I'd rather just let him expire and not compromise future flexibility.

(Also, I'm sure Clippers would love to have him but we can't trade with them until this offseason because of the Doc Rivers situation).

The Celtics have a $10M trade exception. They can take back a vet min player.

Right, but whatever team that's getting Humphries (if they're over cap like most contenders are) has to send out $12m to make room for Humphries unless the incoming team has a massive TPE to send back our way.

There are at least two teams that have those big contracts as expirings: CHA (Gordon) and Phoenix (Okafur).

Humphries would be great for both of those teams who are making a playoff push.

Humphries (a contributor now and an expiring) for their non-contributing expiring and another asset.

EDIT: Add Cleveland to that list with Deng, although that's more unlikely and Detroit with Villanueva.

Charlotte is intriguing - an Al Jefferson / Kris Humphries frontcourt would dominate the boards. And I think they're desperate enough for a playoff spot to pull the trigger.

Agree. Makes too much sense which is why Air"head" Jordan won't do it.

We have lots to give CHA and they have what we want. Jordan is too dumb to grasp that opportunity and wasted a ton of time pursuing Turner, which is going nowhere...

He's a dope.
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Re: Latest Trade Chatter (2/18) via Basketballinsiders.com (updated)
« Reply #68 on: February 19, 2014, 05:46:13 PM »

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I see no reason why Humphries should still be on this team after the deadline. Nothing personal against him, he's actually played well this year, but he will be a free agent and can definitely help a contender.

I'm sure we wouldn't get much, but even a distant future first would be worth it IMO.

Blazers? Clippers? Surely someone would take him.

The issue with trading Humphries' $12m expiring is that we'd probably have to take on long term salary in the deal. Contenders would likely being more interested, but they're also the likeliest to be well over cap. At this point, I'd rather just let him expire and not compromise future flexibility.

(Also, I'm sure Clippers would love to have him but we can't trade with them until this offseason because of the Doc Rivers situation).

The Celtics have a $10M trade exception. They can take back a vet min player.

Right, but whatever team that's getting Humphries (if they're over cap like most contenders are) has to send out $12m to make room for Humphries unless the incoming team has a massive TPE to send back our way.

There are at least two teams that have those big contracts as expirings: CHA (Gordon) and Phoenix (Okafur).

Humphries would be great for both of those teams who are making a playoff push.

Humphries (a contributor now and an expiring) for their non-contributing expiring and another asset.

EDIT: Add Cleveland to that list with Deng, although that's more unlikely and Detroit with Villanueva.

Okafor's contract is medically insured, so it's more valuable than Humphries'. I think a straight swap would be fair.

agree, But a straight swap, even though it works in trade machine, puts us into luxury land. We'd have to add somebody else.


Re: Latest Trade Chatter (2/18) via Basketballinsiders.com (updated)
« Reply #69 on: February 19, 2014, 05:58:56 PM »

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I see no reason why Humphries should still be on this team after the deadline. Nothing personal against him, he's actually played well this year, but he will be a free agent and can definitely help a contender.

I'm sure we wouldn't get much, but even a distant future first would be worth it IMO.

Blazers? Clippers? Surely someone would take him.

The issue with trading Humphries' $12m expiring is that we'd probably have to take on long term salary in the deal. Contenders would likely being more interested, but they're also the likeliest to be well over cap. At this point, I'd rather just let him expire and not compromise future flexibility.

(Also, I'm sure Clippers would love to have him but we can't trade with them until this offseason because of the Doc Rivers situation).

The Celtics have a $10M trade exception. They can take back a vet min player.

You can always take on a player on a minimum contract without having to send anything back.

But if the Celtics trade Humphries, the other team has to send back payroll to match his huge contract. And chances are it won't be an expiring.

Then what is the exception good for? I thought it can be used to match salaries in a 1-for-1 deal?

The exception is good for when the Celtics want to bring in significantly more salary than they send out.  They're not going to use it until after the last day of the season to avoid paying luxury tax and they're probably not going to use it until after the July moratorium because they are hard-capped at the apron due to acquiring Bogans via sign-and-trade.  The most likely uses are to accept a big contract from a team looking to clear space (for example, if Chicago wants to do a salary dump of Taj Gibson to clear space to sign Carmelo Anthony) or to acquire a player via sign-and-trade (the way the Lakers used their exception to bring in Steve Nash).
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Re: Latest Trade Chatter (2/18) via Basketballinsiders.com (updated)
« Reply #70 on: February 19, 2014, 07:00:14 PM »

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Just saw on twitter that barnes is close to going to the Cavs and CLE would give up Jack
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Re: Latest Trade Chatter (2/18) via Basketballinsiders.com (updated)
« Reply #71 on: February 19, 2014, 07:05:11 PM »

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Just saw on twitter that barnes is close to going to the Cavs and CLE would give up Jack

Wow. That'd be a coup for Cleveland, I think.

I'd read that Cleveland was close to sending Jack to Brooklyn, but they wanted multiple 2nd rounders and not to have to take Reggie Evans (only Terry).

Turning Jack into Barnes would be a heckuva save.
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Re: Latest Trade Chatter (2/18) via Basketballinsiders.com (updated)
« Reply #72 on: February 19, 2014, 07:06:17 PM »

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Just saw on twitter that barnes is close to going to the Cavs and CLE would give up Jack
I'd embed the tweet into my post but I can't figure out how

Re: Latest Trade Chatter (2/18) via Basketballinsiders.com (updated)
« Reply #73 on: February 19, 2014, 07:07:57 PM »

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Just saw on twitter that barnes is close to going to the Cavs and CLE would give up Jack

Wow. That'd be a coup for Cleveland, I think.

I'd read that Cleveland was close to sending Jack to Brooklyn, but they wanted multiple 2nd rounders and not to have to take Reggie Evans (only Terry).

Turning Jack into Barnes would be a heckuva save.

Just saw it saw I'm not sure how reliable the source is. The Celticsblog twitter account retweeted it though if you want to check it out.

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« Reply #74 on: February 19, 2014, 07:09:16 PM »

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Just saw on twitter that barnes is close to going to the Cavs and CLE would give up Jack

Harrison...Barnes?