Would you do this trade with Cleveland?

[Moranis]

Cleveland wants to win so they offer

2014 Cleveland 1st (unprotected), 2015 Miami 1st, 2015 Grizzlies 1st, Earl Clark, Alonzo Gee, CJ Miles

for

Bradley, Green, Sullinger

Do you make that trade hoping the Cavs miss the playoffs and get lucky in the lottery this year and that one of the 2015 picks might at some point become a gold mine (they both have protections)? 

If Boston kept Sullinger does it change your opinion?

[action781]

Probably not.  Rondo is a FA soon and I don't know why he would resign in Boston if we keep shipping out all of our decent supporting cast for future draft picks.  I see no reason why he'd want to stay.  Might as well ship him out in the deal too.

[Vermont Green]

Cleveland wants to win so they offer

2014 Cleveland 1st (unprotected), 2015 Miami 1st, 2015 Grizzlies 1st, Earl Clark, Alonzo Gee, CJ Miles

for

Bradley, Green, Sullinger

Do you make that trade hoping the Cavs miss the playoffs and get lucky in the lottery this year and that one of the 2015 picks might at some point become a gold mine (they both have protections)? 

If Boston kept Sullinger does it change your opinion?

If Danny Ainge asked my opinion about this trade, I would say no.  Draft picks do have value of course but I think there is a diminishing effect.  If you have no first round picks than trading for one is great.  If you already have 2 first round picks, trading for a 3rd or 4th has far less incremental value in my opinion.

Trading 3 good players for draft picks we don't really need does not seem like a good deal for us.

[BballTim]

Cleveland wants to win so they offer

2014 Cleveland 1st (unprotected), 2015 Miami 1st, 2015 Grizzlies 1st, Earl Clark, Alonzo Gee, CJ Miles

for

Bradley, Green, Sullinger

Do you make that trade hoping the Cavs miss the playoffs and get lucky in the lottery this year and that one of the 2015 picks might at some point become a gold mine (they both have protections)? 

If Boston kept Sullinger does it change your opinion?

  If you could keep Sullinger and still get the Cleveland pick it would be interesting, because you could probably turn around and trade Bass or Hump and the Nets pick for Asik or maybe Monroe. That would give us Rondo/Sully/(Asik or Monroe) with 2 good draft picks, all those future picks and probably some decent cap space.

  If you sent them Bradley, Green and Sully and they already had Irving, Deng and Varajao then they'd be good enough that the draft pick wouldn't be worth it.

[Roy H.]

  If you sent them Bradley, Green and Sully and they already had Irving, Deng and Varajao then they'd be good enough that the draft pick wouldn't be worth it.

They still have Mike Brown coaching, so maybe it would be. 

[Fafnir]

I wouldn't send Bradley/Sullinger/Green out in a trade that didn't land a sure lottery pick.

[Roy H.]

When you break it down...

Bradley for 2015 Miami #1 is fair enough, if we intend to let him walk.

Green for 2015 Grizzlies #1, plus cap relief, is decent value

Sully for 2014 Cleveland #1...  That's the sticking point, I think.  If Cleveland makes the playoffs, this pick is 15th or lower, and that's just not great value.

[CoachBo]

Not sure where the idea of stripping this franchise bare is gaining traction. Ainge won't do that, and he shouldn't.

He's going to identify a few assets to build around, including probably Rondo, although no objective person - emphasis on objective required on this blog - can be encouraged by what they've seen thus far.

It makes absolutely NO sense to strip the franchise bare for alleged assets that may or may not prove to be worth anything. Move Green? Sure, for the right return. Move Bradley? Absolutely. NO interest whatsoever in paying him anything close to $10 million a year. Sullinger? Nope. Looks like a future building block to me.

Move all of them for variable value assets? Absolutely not.

[LooseCannon]

Do you make that trade hoping the Cavs miss the playoffs and get lucky in the lottery this year and that one of the 2015 picks might at some point become a gold mine (they both have protections)? 

I don't believe in making trades for picks based on hoping to get lucky in the lottery.  If you're going to make the trade, make it with the assumption that if the Cavs miss the playoffs, their pick won't move up in the lottery.  (I would not make the trade.)

[BballTim]

When you break it down...

Bradley for 2015 Miami #1 is fair enough, if we intend to let him walk.

Green for 2015 Grizzlies #1, plus cap relief, is decent value

Sully for 2014 Cleveland #1...  That's the sticking point, I think.  If Cleveland makes the playoffs, this pick is 15th or lower, and that's just not great value.

  Health aside (I know, that's a big aside) if Cleveland ended up with a pick outside the top 10 the odds of that pick performing as well as Sully is at the same point in his career are pretty poor. I'd also say Bradley's worth more than an end of the round draft pick.

[D.o.s.]

If we're trading with Cleveland we should try and rescue Luol Deng. Dude doesn't deserve to be on the Cav's.

[Moranis]

When you break it down...

Bradley for 2015 Miami #1 is fair enough, if we intend to let him walk.

Green for 2015 Grizzlies #1, plus cap relief, is decent value

Sully for 2014 Cleveland #1...  That's the sticking point, I think.  If Cleveland makes the playoffs, this pick is 15th or lower, and that's just not great value.

  Health aside (I know, that's a big aside) if Cleveland ended up with a pick outside the top 10 the odds of that pick performing as well as Sully is at the same point in his career are pretty poor. I'd also say Bradley's worth more than an end of the round draft pick.

The question is, is Miami's pick really going to be at the end of the first round.  If Bosh and James both leave, Miami might not even make the playoffs (the pick is top 10 protected for a couple of years and then unproteced in 2017).  If one of them leaves then it is probably a low 20's type pick.  If Boston isn't going to re-sign Bradley, I think that value is probably about right.

As for Sullinger and the late lottery or early playoffs pick  of Cleveland, I guess it depends what Boston does with it.  Maybe they package the Cleveland and Brooklyn pick and move up into the late top 10, or package it with Boston's own pick to move up a spot or two to get the guy they really want.  Or maybe a Paul George type player is available.  Draftexpress has Dario Saric at 11.  He very well might be the best player in this draft.  I agree there is a lot of uncertainty, but by the middle of his second year, I could certainly see a late lottery or early playoff pick this year turning into a very inconsistent 13/8 type player (which is what Sullinger is)

[BballTim]

When you break it down...

Bradley for 2015 Miami #1 is fair enough, if we intend to let him walk.

Green for 2015 Grizzlies #1, plus cap relief, is decent value

Sully for 2014 Cleveland #1...  That's the sticking point, I think.  If Cleveland makes the playoffs, this pick is 15th or lower, and that's just not great value.

  Health aside (I know, that's a big aside) if Cleveland ended up with a pick outside the top 10 the odds of that pick performing as well as Sully is at the same point in his career are pretty poor. I'd also say Bradley's worth more than an end of the round draft pick.

The question is, is Miami's pick really going to be at the end of the first round.  If Bosh and James both leave, Miami might not even make the playoffs (the pick is top 10 protected for a couple of years and then unproteced in 2017).  If one of them leaves then it is probably a low 20's type pick.  If Boston isn't going to re-sign Bradley, I think that value is probably about right.

As for Sullinger and the late lottery or early playoffs pick  of Cleveland, I guess it depends what Boston does with it.  Maybe they package the Cleveland and Brooklyn pick and move up into the late top 10, or package it with Boston's own pick to move up a spot or two to get the guy they really want.  Or maybe a Paul George type player is available.  Draftexpress has Dario Saric at 11.  He very well might be the best player in this draft.  I agree there is a lot of uncertainty, but by the middle of his second year, I could certainly see a late lottery or early playoff pick this year turning into a very inconsistent 13/8 type player (which is what Sullinger is)

  Sullinger isn't that inconsistent for a 2nd year player. Also, your expectations for miod 1st rounders is awfully unrealistic. In the last 15 years there have been a total of 28 players who averaged at least 12/7 in their 2nd year, and the bulk of them were high draft picks. Only 6 players in the last 15 years who played 1000+ minutes in their 2nd years averaged as many points and rebounds per36 as Sully has this year, and Sully's the only one drafted outside the top 10.

  Before his hand injury Sully was averaging 20/10 per 36. The only players among those 6 players who averaged that were Griffin, Davis and  Cousins. If Sully was on another team you'd be saying his GM would immediately hang up the phone if we offered a late lottery (or worse) pick for him.

[Geo123]

Not sure where the idea of stripping this franchise bare is gaining traction. Ainge won't do that, and he shouldn't.

He's going to identify a few assets to build around, including probably Rondo, although no objective person - emphasis on objective required on this blog - can be encouraged by what they've seen thus far.

It makes absolutely NO sense to strip the franchise bare for alleged assets that may or may not prove to be worth anything. Move Green? Sure, for the right return. Move Bradley? Absolutely. NO interest whatsoever in paying him anything close to $10 million a year. Sullinger? Nope. Looks like a future building block to me.

Move all of them for variable value assets? Absolutely not.

+1.  You don't trade all 3 of those for picks only.  NOBODY will want to sign with you.  So you will have picks and nothing else plus as somebody mentioned there's no way Rondo would stay then so you will be saying goodbye to him also..

[gpap]

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