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Re: Avery Bradley rejected a four-year extension, worth 24 mil
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2013, 03:50:20 PM »

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Is a Gordon for Bradley swap possible

Which Gordon? Eric, Ben, or Hayward?

I was thinking eric gordon. I know salaries don't match

Yeah, Eric Gordon makes about 15 mill/yr - cornerstone of your franchise territory. I think we would be doing the Pelicans a favor. I imagine we would have to at least be throwing in Gerald Wallace if we did this deal.

I also would have to think that we had another major move at center coming because upgrading to Eric Gordon in the present really does nothing if you don't have plans for at least trying to contend [note: I am not sure if I consider Gordon an all-out upgrade].

Re: Avery Bradley rejected a four-year extension, worth 24 mil
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2013, 03:58:33 PM »

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is there a difference between Bradley rejecting the deal or the agent rejecting the deal...cuz I remember Trevor Ariza got screwed over by his agent and the Lakers basically said no...

I really don't want that to happen to Bradley cuz I like Bradley.

Re: Avery Bradley rejected a four-year extension, worth 24 mil
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2013, 05:38:25 PM »

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Bradley is 23 years old, has around 2-3 more years of developing before he's in his prime of 26-30.

His PPG, FG%,3P% and Rebounds have all increased, in some cases dramatically, since last season. He is shooting 45% on 3s over the last 30 days.  His offense is really coming around.

On defense there is literally no one else better then him at his position, and he will be at the top for the next 4-5 years easily.

There is still a lot of season to go, but so far AB is trending upwards.  Rondo could help boost his numbers also, but we'll see. Overall I think if this continues he will be worth pretty close to 8mil per year, and I dont know if Danny should be quick to say "no thanks". He might actually be worth a lot more then 8-9-10 mil per year if he reaches full potential when he's 25+.

67   Thaddeus Young, PF   Philadelphia 76ers   $8,850,000
68   Kendrick Perkins, C   Oklahoma City Thunder   $8,727,437
69   Jeff Green, SG   Boston Celtics   $8,700,000
70   Mike Conley, PG   Memphis Grizzlies   $8,600,001
RK   NAME   TEAM   SALARY
71   Jameer Nelson, PG   Orlando Magic   $8,600,000
72   Charlie Villanueva, PF   Detroit Pistons   $8,580,000
73   Rodney Stuckey, SG   Detroit Pistons   $8,500,000
74   Omer Asik, C   Houston Rockets   $8,374,646
75   Jeremy Lin, PG   Houston Rockets   $8,374,646
76   Ryan Anderson, PF   New Orleans Pelicans   $8,308,500
77   Marcus Thornton, SG   Sacramento Kings   $8,050,000
78   Caron Butler, SF   Milwaukee Bucks   $8,000,000
79   O.J. Mayo, SG   Milwaukee Bucks   $8,000,000
80   Jeff Teague, PG   Atlanta Hawks   $8,000,000
81   Mark Blount, C   Miami Heat   $7,967,375
82   Ersan Ilyasova, PF   Milwaukee Bucks   $7,900,000
83   Marcin Gortat, C   Washington Wizards   $7,727,280
84   Trevor Ariza, SF   Washington Wizards   $7,727,280
85   Brandon Jennings, PG   Detroit Pistons   $7,655,503
86   James Posey, SF   Indiana Pacers   $7,595,600
87   John Salmons, SF   Sacramento Kings   $7,583,000
88   Taj Gibson, PF   Chicago Bulls   $7,550,000
89   Marvin Williams, PF   Utah Jazz   $7,500,000
90   Arron Afflalo, SG   Orlando Magic   $7,500,00


Re: Avery Bradley rejected a four-year extension, worth 24 mil
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2013, 05:42:15 PM »

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Don't think there's enough buzz around AB for somebody to overpay him during free agent season, Ainge probably agrees which i why we're playing hardball.

Things will backfire spectacularly if he develops significantly this year, of course. But it seems highly unlikely that he'll become an 8m player overnight.


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Re: Avery Bradley rejected a four-year extension, worth 24 mil
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2013, 05:50:08 PM »

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In the NFL there is compensation when you lose a restricted FA.   

I don't believe that has been the case in the NBA -- but just checking -- any compensation if we decide not to match an offer for a restricted FA?

Re: Avery Bradley rejected a four-year extension, worth 24 mil
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2013, 05:57:53 PM »

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Bradley is 23 years old, has around 2-3 more years of developing before he's in his prime of 26-30.

His PPG, FG%,3P% and Rebounds have all increased, in some cases dramatically, since last season. He is shooting 45% on 3s over the last 30 days.  His offense is really coming around.

On defense there is literally no one else better then him at his position, and he will be at the top for the next 4-5 years easily.

There is still a lot of season to go, but so far AB is trending upwards.  Rondo could help boost his numbers also, but we'll see. Overall I think if this continues he will be worth pretty close to 8mil per year, and I dont know if Danny should be quick to say "no thanks". He might actually be worth a lot more then 8-9-10 mil per year if he reaches full potential when he's 25+.

67   Thaddeus Young, PF   Philadelphia 76ers   $8,850,000
68   Kendrick Perkins, C   Oklahoma City Thunder   $8,727,437
69   Jeff Green, SG   Boston Celtics   $8,700,000
70   Mike Conley, PG   Memphis Grizzlies   $8,600,001
RK   NAME   TEAM   SALARY
71   Jameer Nelson, PG   Orlando Magic   $8,600,000
72   Charlie Villanueva, PF   Detroit Pistons   $8,580,000
73   Rodney Stuckey, SG   Detroit Pistons   $8,500,000
74   Omer Asik, C   Houston Rockets   $8,374,646
75   Jeremy Lin, PG   Houston Rockets   $8,374,646
76   Ryan Anderson, PF   New Orleans Pelicans   $8,308,500
77   Marcus Thornton, SG   Sacramento Kings   $8,050,000
78   Caron Butler, SF   Milwaukee Bucks   $8,000,000
79   O.J. Mayo, SG   Milwaukee Bucks   $8,000,000
80   Jeff Teague, PG   Atlanta Hawks   $8,000,000
81   Mark Blount, C   Miami Heat   $7,967,375
82   Ersan Ilyasova, PF   Milwaukee Bucks   $7,900,000
83   Marcin Gortat, C   Washington Wizards   $7,727,280
84   Trevor Ariza, SF   Washington Wizards   $7,727,280
85   Brandon Jennings, PG   Detroit Pistons   $7,655,503
86   James Posey, SF   Indiana Pacers   $7,595,600
87   John Salmons, SF   Sacramento Kings   $7,583,000
88   Taj Gibson, PF   Chicago Bulls   $7,550,000
89   Marvin Williams, PF   Utah Jazz   $7,500,000
90   Arron Afflalo, SG   Orlando Magic   $7,500,00

Re: Avery Bradley rejected a four-year extension, worth 24 mil
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2013, 06:03:40 PM »

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I'd wait for the draft before we did anything.  If we end up drafting where I think we will, there might be a decent SG or combo guard (Semaj, Garry Harris, James Young) but there won't be any Centers.  If we can trade some combination of Bradley + Pierce Exception + ATL pick + future pick(s) + an expiring for a legit center, we could have:

Rondo
James Young
Green
Sully
Legit Center (Asik, one of the Gasols, Monroe)

I'm not exactly sure how the trade would work, but this draft could at the very least make Bradley redundant and he could help us upgrade at the 5 in the meantime

Then we'd have a legit bench, too.

I like this thought process. Plus, it's easier for Danny to find a 2 guard going forward in the draft(s) than netting a big man.  He's better off trading away Avery if a Center is out there who can be had.

Re: Avery Bradley rejected a four-year extension, worth 24 mil
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2013, 06:14:12 PM »

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In the NFL there is compensation when you lose a restricted FA.   

I don't believe that has been the case in the NBA -- but just checking -- any compensation if we decide not to match an offer for a restricted FA?

Correct, if you choose not to match - no compensation is awarded. The only right that you are afforded is the right TO match.
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Re: Avery Bradley rejected a four-year extension, worth 24 mil
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2013, 06:41:41 PM »

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In the NFL there is compensation when you lose a restricted FA.   

I don't believe that has been the case in the NBA -- but just checking -- any compensation if we decide not to match an offer for a restricted FA?

Correct, if you choose not to match - no compensation is awarded. The only right that you are afforded is the right TO match.

probably because the NBA has only two draft rounds whereas other pro leagues have almost endless rounds of drafts each year

Re: Avery Bradley rejected a four-year extension, worth 24 mil
« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2013, 06:43:19 PM »

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I'm sorry but 4 yrs 24 mil is his exact worth. I hope DA doesn't cave and pay AB 8 mil a year. I love AB and want him on the team but he can do two things, defend point guards and shoot a bit. That's not worth 8 mil a year for 4 years.
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Re: Avery Bradley rejected a four-year extension, worth 24 mil
« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2013, 06:56:53 PM »

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what is lee getting now and for how long?

if bradley's agent is looking for unrealistic $ then its pretty easy:
how does rondo handle bradley's defense in practice (important)
if rondo can take his defense easy enough then ainge should put together a package (maybe sign and trade) of bradley and insert pf from our group(humphries makes most sense) for all all star sg or a good quality center
wish gortat was still on market!

Re: Avery Bradley rejected a four-year extension, worth 24 mil
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2013, 06:58:24 PM »

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Seems like Danny offered a fair price--I don't blame him for not going higher.

Will be interesting to see Bradley's situation at the end of the year, however. Supposedly he's pretty much always been able to shoot in practice, and he's had a couple of good runs in his career so far. This year's the perfect opportunity for him to show us what he's got.

Sounds like he wanted/wants close to the deal that Danny gave Rondo, when lots of people thought Danny was a little crazy. Clearly Danny doesn't think he's quite a Rondo.

Re: Avery Bradley rejected a four-year extension, worth 24 mil
« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2013, 07:05:48 PM »

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On defense there is literally no one else better then him at his position



I'd like to see AB play a full season before assessing his contract.
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Re: Avery Bradley rejected a four-year extension, worth 24 mil
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2013, 07:39:24 PM »

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I'd wait for the draft before we did anything.  If we end up drafting where I think we will, there might be a decent SG or combo guard (Semaj, Garry Harris, James Young) but there won't be any Centers.  If we can trade some combination of Bradley + Pierce Exception + ATL pick + future pick(s) + an expiring for a legit center, we could have:

Rondo
James Young
Green
Sully
Legit Center (Asik, one of the Gasols, Monroe)

I'm not exactly sure how the trade would work, but this draft could at the very least make Bradley redundant and he could help us upgrade at the 5 in the meantime

Then we'd have a legit bench, too.

I'd like Asik.

But he'd be gone by the deadline, i.e. won't fit into your hypothetical.

Seeing what AB does is indeed beneficial as he'll either 1. play up his trade value, 2. prove he's worth the long term investment or 3. play down his value making resigning easier.

Though depending on how much Asik will cost and how insistent AB is, I'd do it.

But the asking price is ridiculous. They want TWO firsts for Asik. Eep. That, I will not do.



I'd love Monroe.

However, AB alone probably won't get it done.

Ideally we'd keep JG and KO (and, of course, Rondo and Sully).



Sully, KO and Asik/Monroe look very nice. Very complimentary front court.

Monroe would be a dream, a very good young center with upside.

Re: Avery Bradley rejected a four-year extension, worth 24 mil
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2013, 07:46:28 PM »

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Bradley is 23 years old, has around 2-3 more years of developing before he's in his prime of 26-30.

His PPG, FG%,3P% and Rebounds have all increased, in some cases dramatically, since last season. He is shooting 45% on 3s over the last 30 days.  His offense is really coming around.

On defense there is literally no one else better then him at his position, and he will be at the top for the next 4-5 years easily.

There is still a lot of season to go, but so far AB is trending upwards.  Rondo could help boost his numbers also, but we'll see. Overall I think if this continues he will be worth pretty close to 8mil per year, and I dont know if Danny should be quick to say "no thanks". He might actually be worth a lot more then 8-9-10 mil per year if he reaches full potential when he's 25+.

67   Thaddeus Young, PF   Philadelphia 76ers   $8,850,000
68   Kendrick Perkins, C   Oklahoma City Thunder   $8,727,437
69   Jeff Green, SG   Boston Celtics   $8,700,000
70   Mike Conley, PG   Memphis Grizzlies   $8,600,001
RK   NAME   TEAM   SALARY
71   Jameer Nelson, PG   Orlando Magic   $8,600,000
72   Charlie Villanueva, PF   Detroit Pistons   $8,580,000
73   Rodney Stuckey, SG   Detroit Pistons   $8,500,000
74   Omer Asik, C   Houston Rockets   $8,374,646
75   Jeremy Lin, PG   Houston Rockets   $8,374,646
76   Ryan Anderson, PF   New Orleans Pelicans   $8,308,500
77   Marcus Thornton, SG   Sacramento Kings   $8,050,000
78   Caron Butler, SF   Milwaukee Bucks   $8,000,000
79   O.J. Mayo, SG   Milwaukee Bucks   $8,000,000
80   Jeff Teague, PG   Atlanta Hawks   $8,000,000
81   Mark Blount, C   Miami Heat   $7,967,375
82   Ersan Ilyasova, PF   Milwaukee Bucks   $7,900,000
83   Marcin Gortat, C   Washington Wizards   $7,727,280
84   Trevor Ariza, SF   Washington Wizards   $7,727,280
85   Brandon Jennings, PG   Detroit Pistons   $7,655,503
86   James Posey, SF   Indiana Pacers   $7,595,600
87   John Salmons, SF   Sacramento Kings   $7,583,000
88   Taj Gibson, PF   Chicago Bulls   $7,550,000
89   Marvin Williams, PF   Utah Jazz   $7,500,000
90   Arron Afflalo, SG   Orlando Magic   $7,500,00

Yeah, that was a pretty glaring name on that list...I just looked it up and George Hill and Monta Ellis should [basically] be in Blount's slot...for comparison's sake.