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Re: 2013 CB Draft: Eastern Finals: Cleveland(3) vs Atlanta(4)
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2013, 11:51:34 AM »

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Not premiere PG. Premiere *tiny* PG. Lawson and Nelson are two of the best distributors for guys who would need to sit on phone books in order to drive the team bus.

Well, there's still quite a distinction to be made there. Lawson - now slowly making his way out of underratedness - has been ranked in the top 10 PGs in the league. Nelson's a bottom-10 starting PG in this league.

They are both tiny, but that doesn't mean they're comparable.

Sure they are. They actually match up quite well! Here's their head-to-head in the latest season. Keep in mind that Nelson was basically playing with scrubs while Lawson piloted a playoff team:

Jameer when Ty was on the court (62 minutes total, stats are split into per-36 stats):

15.7 ppg, 44% FG, 29% from 3, 2.9 rpg, 7.5 apg

Ty when Jameer was on the court (62 minutes total, stats are split into per-36 stats):

16.3 ppg, 40% FG, 33% from 3, 2.9 rpg, 8.1 apg

So, when Lawson faced Jameer, he scored less, shot worse, but had more assists than his seasonal averages. When Jameer faced Lawson, he scored more, shot better, and had fewer assists than his season average. Again, that's 2012-2013.

You can say that's a small sample size (it is), but you can't say they aren't comparable.
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Re: 2013 CB Draft: Eastern Finals: Cleveland(3) vs Atlanta(4)
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2013, 12:00:07 PM »

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Just a hunch here, but whatever edge Lawson has over Nelson/Lin could very likely be mitigated by Gerald Henderson.  I think he could defend Lawson pretty well, and due to Pierce/Wade being able to run the offense themselves, not cost Atl on that side of the ball.

Re: 2013 CB Draft: Eastern Finals: Cleveland(3) vs Atlanta(4)
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2013, 12:26:05 PM »

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Not premiere PG. Premiere *tiny* PG. Lawson and Nelson are two of the best distributors for guys who would need to sit on phone books in order to drive the team bus.

Well, there's still quite a distinction to be made there. Lawson - now slowly making his way out of underratedness - has been ranked in the top 10 PGs in the league. Nelson's a bottom-10 starting PG in this league.

They are both tiny, but that doesn't mean they're comparable.

Sure they are. They actually match up quite well! Here's their head-to-head in the latest season. Keep in mind that Nelson was basically playing with scrubs while Lawson piloted a playoff team:

Jameer when Ty was on the court (62 minutes total, stats are split into per-36 stats):

15.7 ppg, 44% FG, 29% from 3, 2.9 rpg, 7.5 apg

Ty when Jameer was on the court (62 minutes total, stats are split into per-36 stats):

16.3 ppg, 40% FG, 33% from 3, 2.9 rpg, 8.1 apg

So, when Lawson faced Jameer, he scored less, shot worse, but had more assists than his seasonal averages. When Jameer faced Lawson, he scored more, shot better, and had fewer assists than his season average. Again, that's 2012-2013.

You can say that's a small sample size (it is), but you can't say they aren't comparable.

I dont understand when Lawson become such an All Star in the eyes on the board. He really isnt all that good at commanding a squad, especially in the playoffs.
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Re: 2013 CB Draft: Eastern Finals: Cleveland(3) vs Atlanta(4)
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2013, 12:26:32 PM »

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as of now, leaning towards the cavs.  I like their core and experience

Re: 2013 CB Draft: Eastern Finals: Cleveland(3) vs Atlanta(4)
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2013, 12:28:10 PM »

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I think he could defend Lawson pretty well, and due to Pierce/Wade being able to run the offense themselves, not cost Atl on that side of the ball.

I love pierce to death, but we saw him average over 5 turnovers in the playoffs last season when he was forced to run the offense in rondo's absence.

Re: 2013 CB Draft: Eastern Finals: Cleveland(3) vs Atlanta(4)
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2013, 12:41:03 PM »

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Yes, but I did say Pierce AND Wade.  I just don't see how Cleveland can legitimately contain those two, as a pairing.

Ultimately, I just see Atlanta's superior guards/wings being able to swing the series in their favor.  It's close though, probably 7 games, with a few quite possibly going to OT.

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« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2013, 01:06:07 PM »

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Just a hunch here, but whatever edge Lawson has over Nelson/Lin could very likely be mitigated by Gerald Henderson.  I think he could defend Lawson pretty well, and due to Pierce/Wade being able to run the offense themselves, not cost Atl on that side of the ball.

Can Gerald Henderson defend point guards?

Can G.Henderson defend PGs as quick as Ty Lawson? With Ty Lawson's combination of explosive first step, overall speed, jump-shooting and dribble drive skills?

I think G.Henderson is probably quick enough and athletic enough to defend many PGs but I am struggling to think of any times I have seen him used defensively like that + Ty Lawson is a pretty extreme guy to defend with his speed and quickness.

Re: 2013 CB Draft: Eastern Finals: Cleveland(3) vs Atlanta(4)
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2013, 03:52:30 PM »

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i had to vote a little early.  i went with CLE

Re: 2013 CB Draft: Eastern Finals: Cleveland(3) vs Atlanta(4)
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2013, 04:31:32 PM »

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Not premiere PG. Premiere *tiny* PG. Lawson and Nelson are two of the best distributors for guys who would need to sit on phone books in order to drive the team bus.

Well, there's still quite a distinction to be made there. Lawson - now slowly making his way out of underratedness - has been ranked in the top 10 PGs in the league. Nelson's a bottom-10 starting PG in this league.

They are both tiny, but that doesn't mean they're comparable.

Sure they are. They actually match up quite well! Here's their head-to-head in the latest season. Keep in mind that Nelson was basically playing with scrubs while Lawson piloted a playoff team:

Jameer when Ty was on the court (62 minutes total, stats are split into per-36 stats):

15.7 ppg, 44% FG, 29% from 3, 2.9 rpg, 7.5 apg

Ty when Jameer was on the court (62 minutes total, stats are split into per-36 stats):

16.3 ppg, 40% FG, 33% from 3, 2.9 rpg, 8.1 apg

So, when Lawson faced Jameer, he scored less, shot worse, but had more assists than his seasonal averages. When Jameer faced Lawson, he scored more, shot better, and had fewer assists than his season average. Again, that's 2012-2013.

You can say that's a small sample size (it is), but you can't say they aren't comparable.

I dont understand when Lawson become such an All Star in the eyes on the board. He really isnt all that good at commanding a squad, especially in the playoffs.

So averaging 22 points and 8 assists isn't a good playoff performance?

If Ty Lawson was on the Celtics, the perception of him would be much different from some people.
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Re: 2013 CB Draft: Eastern Finals: Cleveland(3) vs Atlanta(4)
« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2013, 04:37:32 PM »

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Not premiere PG. Premiere *tiny* PG. Lawson and Nelson are two of the best distributors for guys who would need to sit on phone books in order to drive the team bus.

Well, there's still quite a distinction to be made there. Lawson - now slowly making his way out of underratedness - has been ranked in the top 10 PGs in the league. Nelson's a bottom-10 starting PG in this league.

They are both tiny, but that doesn't mean they're comparable.

Sure they are. They actually match up quite well! Here's their head-to-head in the latest season. Keep in mind that Nelson was basically playing with scrubs while Lawson piloted a playoff team:

Jameer when Ty was on the court (62 minutes total, stats are split into per-36 stats):

15.7 ppg, 44% FG, 29% from 3, 2.9 rpg, 7.5 apg

Ty when Jameer was on the court (62 minutes total, stats are split into per-36 stats):

16.3 ppg, 40% FG, 33% from 3, 2.9 rpg, 8.1 apg

So, when Lawson faced Jameer, he scored less, shot worse, but had more assists than his seasonal averages. When Jameer faced Lawson, he scored more, shot better, and had fewer assists than his season average. Again, that's 2012-2013.

You can say that's a small sample size (it is), but you can't say they aren't comparable.

I dont understand when Lawson become such an All Star in the eyes on the board. He really isnt all that good at commanding a squad, especially in the playoffs.

So averaging 22 points and 8 assists isn't a good playoff performance?

If Ty Lawson was on the Celtics, the perception of him would be much different from some people.

Yeah but if Ted Bundy was on the Celtics the perception of him would be much different from some people.

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Re: 2013 CB Draft: Eastern Finals: Cleveland(3) vs Atlanta(4)
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2013, 04:55:12 PM »

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Yeah but if Ted Bundy was on the Celtics the perception of him would be much different from some people.

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Re: 2013 CB Draft: Eastern Finals: Cleveland(3) vs Atlanta(4)
« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2013, 05:13:32 PM »

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Not premiere PG. Premiere *tiny* PG. Lawson and Nelson are two of the best distributors for guys who would need to sit on phone books in order to drive the team bus.

Well, there's still quite a distinction to be made there. Lawson - now slowly making his way out of underratedness - has been ranked in the top 10 PGs in the league. Nelson's a bottom-10 starting PG in this league.

They are both tiny, but that doesn't mean they're comparable.

Sure they are. They actually match up quite well! Here's their head-to-head in the latest season. Keep in mind that Nelson was basically playing with scrubs while Lawson piloted a playoff team:

Jameer when Ty was on the court (62 minutes total, stats are split into per-36 stats):

15.7 ppg, 44% FG, 29% from 3, 2.9 rpg, 7.5 apg

Ty when Jameer was on the court (62 minutes total, stats are split into per-36 stats):

16.3 ppg, 40% FG, 33% from 3, 2.9 rpg, 8.1 apg

So, when Lawson faced Jameer, he scored less, shot worse, but had more assists than his seasonal averages. When Jameer faced Lawson, he scored more, shot better, and had fewer assists than his season average. Again, that's 2012-2013.

You can say that's a small sample size (it is), but you can't say they aren't comparable.

I dont understand when Lawson become such an All Star in the eyes on the board. He really isnt all that good at commanding a squad, especially in the playoffs.

So averaging 22 points and 8 assists isn't a good playoff performance?

If Ty Lawson was on the Celtics, the perception of him would be much different from some people.

Yeah but if Ted Bundy was on the Celtics the perception of him would be much different from some people.

Lawson averaged 22 and 8 on a team with a first round exit missing their best offensive player in Gallo. The stat sheet might look deceivingly appealing, but no, I dont think he had a good playoff performance based on how he didnt step up to lead his team.
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Re: 2013 CB Draft: Eastern Finals: Cleveland(3) vs Atlanta(4)
« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2013, 05:24:58 PM »

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Re: 2013 CB Draft: Eastern Finals: Cleveland(3) vs Atlanta(4)
« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2013, 05:45:30 PM »

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