Lamarcus Aldridge might get traded at some point (merged)

[snively]

I actually see an Aldridge for Pau Gasol move being the nmost likely trade for Portland. Gasol still has years left and Portland could always give him an extension at a lower price once traded there, sort of like what Boston did with KG. LA then turns Gasol's expiring contract into a younger, long term piece to put with Kobe and possibly a major free agent next year.

If Portland is looking for a lateral trade, this seems like the most likely scenario.

Except a trade like that hasn't been pulled off since Milwaukee looked so foolish for dumping a 27 year old Ray Allen for a 34 year old Gary Payton (who promptly left to chase a ring in free agency).

Lateral trades at the same position happen all the time.

Ray Felton - Andre Miller
Brandon Bass - Glen Davis
Stephen Jackson - Richard Jefferson

And that's just the 2011-2012 season.

If you are talking lateral move where there is an age difference well a 34 year old Payton and a 33 year old Gasol are on two different playing levels. That was Payton's last truly good to great year. Gasol probably still has 3-4 good to great years still left in him in today's game of watered down big men.

Huge difference between swapping role players and stars, especially with the age factor.

And Payton's playing level was actually higher than Gasol's at least perception wise.  Was coming off an all-star selection and an All-NBA 2nd team at the time of the trade. 

 

[nickagneta]

Huge difference between swapping role players and stars, especially with the age factor.

 

You mean like swapping Howard for Bynum for Iguodala? Or Chauncey Billups for Allen Iverson? Shaq for Odom and Butler? I think trades like that happen more often than you think.

[Rondohara]

Why give out Green and lots of young assets + picks for LMA? No logic in that. And what's up with people saying we should trade Rondo and picks for this guy... What?
 
If we're getting "just" LMA we'll want to place him with Green and Rondo.
For us to actually give Green we'll need to get another star player to come form the "BIG3". Else we'll have to just accept the "notsoBIG3" of Rondo, Green and LMA and hope a star FA look a that and says: "Hey, those guys plus me = rings. "

The other possibility could be an unloading it all type of move (say: AB, Sullinger, KO if he pans out, Green, and up to 5 first rounders) but that would only if we got two star players, not worth it going through all that just to land LMA and mediocre dudes.

I would still prefer us going after Cousins though and let LMA go somewhere else. Invest in youth. Not easy to land and keep them though.

[action781]

how about this 3 teamer?

Bucks send:  Udoh, Ridnour
Bucks recieve:   Wallace, 1st rounder

Celts send:  Hump, Wallace, Bradley, Sully, three 1sts
Celts receive:  Aldridge

Blazers send:  Aldrige
Blazers recieve:  Udoh, Humphries, Bradley, Sully, two 1sts

??

Blazers get solid young talent who are on a combined $19M in expiring deals.  Lots of flexibility going forward when combined with those two extra 1st rounders.
Lillard/Bradley/Mathews/Robinson/Udoh could be a pretty solid lineup, and if not they can easily reset in 2014 free agency.

Bucks trade two dimes for a quarter & get a 1st rounder for their trouble.

Celts fast forward the rebuild, end up with a lineup that goes as far as Rondo can take us:
Rondo / Ridnour
Lee / Crawford / Brooks
Green / Bogans
Bass / Olynyk
Aldridge

and you still have that TE + extra 1sts to make a subsiquent deal to further bolster the front line, maybe someone like Asik.   


but...any chance this is enough for Portland to move LA?

Sully, Bradley, a $12 million expiring contract and 3 1st rounders for Aldridge??

For Durant or Lebron or Howard...okay, I see that. For Aldridge?? No way. Not even close.

Are you saying that if you are Boston, you wouldn't do this?  Note that we would unload Gerald Wallace in this deal which it would take us at least a first rounder to get rid of itself, very likely more.

I would do this as Boston.  Aldridge is an all star level player.  Bradley and Sullinger will be role players.  Celtics have an absolute plethora of draft picks to deal.  So many that in 2018, they will have drafted like 13 players over the previous 4 seasons.  No way they can keep them all under contract.  The purpose of having all of them is so they can be moved for a star and Aldridge is a very solid one that may be available.

[Moranis]

I proposed this in another thread, but I think it would work for both teams

Aldridge, Matthews

for

Sullinger, Bradley, Brooks, Melo (if they want), Humphries, 2014 Brooklyn 1st (top 16 protected or so), 2015 Boston 1st (lottery protected)

You're funny.

what is funny about this?

[Birdman]

i would go all out to try and get Aldridge..he is still young, very underated...

[sofutomygaha]

I proposed this in another thread, but I think it would work for both teams

Aldridge, Matthews

for

Sullinger, Bradley, Brooks, Melo (if they want), Humphries, 2014 Brooklyn 1st (top 16 protected or so), 2015 Boston 1st (lottery protected)

You're funny.

what is funny about this?

I don't think that's a crazy deal, but I would keep Sullinger out of it (unless his future is more bleak medically than we've been led to believe).

[Moranis]

I proposed this in another thread, but I think it would work for both teams

Aldridge, Matthews

for

Sullinger, Bradley, Brooks, Melo (if they want), Humphries, 2014 Brooklyn 1st (top 16 protected or so), 2015 Boston 1st (lottery protected)

You're funny.

what is funny about this?

I don't think that's a crazy deal, but I would keep Sullinger out of it (unless his future is more bleak medically than we've been led to believe).

But you can't or Portland won't make the trade.

I think this would be a pretty solid team.  Not a true championship contender, but a nice solid mid-range playoff team and is still pretty young.

PG - Rondo, Pressey
SG - Matthews, Lee, Crawford
SF - Green, Wallace, Bogans
PF - Aldridge, Bass
C - Olynyk, Wilcox, Randolph

Aldridge would play a fair amount at center to get Bass and Wallace more time to maximize the optimal talent lineup.  That team needs one more piece (probably another big guy) to really be a title threat, but is young, has a lot of extra first rounders, has a 10 million dollar trade exception next summer, and will have a lot of movable contracts from non-core guys over the next couple of years (to send expiring contracts to teams in trades - i.e. Bass, Lee, Wallace).

[nickagneta]

how about this 3 teamer?

Bucks send:  Udoh, Ridnour
Bucks recieve:   Wallace, 1st rounder

Celts send:  Hump, Wallace, Bradley, Sully, three 1sts
Celts receive:  Aldridge

Blazers send:  Aldrige
Blazers recieve:  Udoh, Humphries, Bradley, Sully, two 1sts

??

Blazers get solid young talent who are on a combined $19M in expiring deals.  Lots of flexibility going forward when combined with those two extra 1st rounders.
Lillard/Bradley/Mathews/Robinson/Udoh could be a pretty solid lineup, and if not they can easily reset in 2014 free agency.

Bucks trade two dimes for a quarter & get a 1st rounder for their trouble.

Celts fast forward the rebuild, end up with a lineup that goes as far as Rondo can take us:
Rondo / Ridnour
Lee / Crawford / Brooks
Green / Bogans
Bass / Olynyk
Aldridge

and you still have that TE + extra 1sts to make a subsiquent deal to further bolster the front line, maybe someone like Asik.   


but...any chance this is enough for Portland to move LA?

Sully, Bradley, a $12 million expiring contract and 3 1st rounders for Aldridge??

For Durant or Lebron or Howard...okay, I see that. For Aldridge?? No way. Not even close.

Are you saying that if you are Boston, you wouldn't do this?  Note that we would unload Gerald Wallace in this deal which it would take us at least a first rounder to get rid of itself, very likely more.

I would do this as Boston.  Aldridge is an all star level player.  Bradley and Sullinger will be role players.  Celtics have an absolute plethora of draft picks to deal.  So many that in 2018, they will have drafted like 13 players over the previous 4 seasons.  No way they can keep them all under contract.  The purpose of having all of them is so they can be moved for a star and Aldridge is a very solid one that may be available.

Yup, I'm saying I wouldn't do it. I think you are underestimating the upside of Bradley and Sully. Bradley is pretty much going to be a fixture on the All-Defense team for years to come and probably develop into a 10-15 PPG scorer. Sully has All-Star level upside. His BBIQ and fundamentals are off the chart and has shown he can be a great rebounder and very good low post presence. Without Doc telling him to ignore offensive rebounding I am expecting big things from Sully.

So I would trade Humph, Sully and a first for LMA. Or Humph, Bradley and a 1st for LMA or I would trade Humph and a couple firsts for LMA. Anything else is overpaying.

[More Banners]

i would go all out to try and get Aldridge..he is still young, very underated...

Very true.

We only play them on the west coast swing, and once in the Gahden.  If we played them more often, and saw LMA play more often...well, he's one heck of a player.  He's been carrying that team for a couple of years nearly by himself.

Unfortunately, we have two young studs at PF already.

[RJ87]

how about this 3 teamer?

Bucks send:  Udoh, Ridnour
Bucks recieve:   Wallace, 1st rounder

Celts send:  Hump, Wallace, Bradley, Sully, three 1sts
Celts receive:  Aldridge

Blazers send:  Aldrige
Blazers recieve:  Udoh, Humphries, Bradley, Sully, two 1sts

??

Blazers get solid young talent who are on a combined $19M in expiring deals.  Lots of flexibility going forward when combined with those two extra 1st rounders.
Lillard/Bradley/Mathews/Robinson/Udoh could be a pretty solid lineup, and if not they can easily reset in 2014 free agency.

Bucks trade two dimes for a quarter & get a 1st rounder for their trouble.

Celts fast forward the rebuild, end up with a lineup that goes as far as Rondo can take us:
Rondo / Ridnour
Lee / Crawford / Brooks
Green / Bogans
Bass / Olynyk
Aldridge

and you still have that TE + extra 1sts to make a subsiquent deal to further bolster the front line, maybe someone like Asik.   


but...any chance this is enough for Portland to move LA?

Sully, Bradley, a $12 million expiring contract and 3 1st rounders for Aldridge??

For Durant or Lebron or Howard...okay, I see that. For Aldridge?? No way. Not even close.

Are you saying that if you are Boston, you wouldn't do this?  Note that we would unload Gerald Wallace in this deal which it would take us at least a first rounder to get rid of itself, very likely more.

I would do this as Boston.  Aldridge is an all star level player.  Bradley and Sullinger will be role players.  Celtics have an absolute plethora of draft picks to deal.  So many that in 2018, they will have drafted like 13 players over the previous 4 seasons.  No way they can keep them all under contract.  The purpose of having all of them is so they can be moved for a star and Aldridge is a very solid one that may be available.

Yup, I'm saying I wouldn't do it. I think you are underestimating the upside of Bradley and Sully. Bradley is pretty much going to be a fixture on the All-Defense team for years to come and probably develop into a 10-15 PPG scorer. Sully has All-Star level upside. His BBIQ and fundamentals are off the chart and has shown he can be a great rebounder and very good low post presence. Without Doc telling him to ignore offensive rebounding I am expecting big things from Sully.

So I would trade Humph, Sully and a first for LMA. Or Humph, Bradley and a 1st for LMA or I would trade Humph and a couple firsts for LMA. Anything else is overpaying.

I'd absolutely do that deal. Avery is a defensive specialist tweener, a role player. Sully may have upside but he does have size & athletic limitations and a questionable back. I think if you can can get an all-star caliber big man for 2 role players, an expiring, and picks that would likely be towards the later first round, you take that deal.

[manl_lui]

how about this 3 teamer?

Bucks send:  Udoh, Ridnour
Bucks recieve:   Wallace, 1st rounder

Celts send:  Hump, Wallace, Bradley, Sully, three 1sts
Celts receive:  Aldridge

Blazers send:  Aldrige
Blazers recieve:  Udoh, Humphries, Bradley, Sully, two 1sts

??

Blazers get solid young talent who are on a combined $19M in expiring deals.  Lots of flexibility going forward when combined with those two extra 1st rounders.
Lillard/Bradley/Mathews/Robinson/Udoh could be a pretty solid lineup, and if not they can easily reset in 2014 free agency.

Bucks trade two dimes for a quarter & get a 1st rounder for their trouble.

Celts fast forward the rebuild, end up with a lineup that goes as far as Rondo can take us:
Rondo / Ridnour
Lee / Crawford / Brooks
Green / Bogans
Bass / Olynyk
Aldridge

and you still have that TE + extra 1sts to make a subsiquent deal to further bolster the front line, maybe someone like Asik.   


but...any chance this is enough for Portland to move LA?

Sully, Bradley, a $12 million expiring contract and 3 1st rounders for Aldridge??

For Durant or Lebron or Howard...okay, I see that. For Aldridge?? No way. Not even close.

Are you saying that if you are Boston, you wouldn't do this?  Note that we would unload Gerald Wallace in this deal which it would take us at least a first rounder to get rid of itself, very likely more.

I would do this as Boston.  Aldridge is an all star level player.  Bradley and Sullinger will be role players.  Celtics have an absolute plethora of draft picks to deal.  So many that in 2018, they will have drafted like 13 players over the previous 4 seasons.  No way they can keep them all under contract.  The purpose of having all of them is so they can be moved for a star and Aldridge is a very solid one that may be available.

Yup, I'm saying I wouldn't do it. I think you are underestimating the upside of Bradley and Sully. Bradley is pretty much going to be a fixture on the All-Defense team for years to come and probably develop into a 10-15 PPG scorer. Sully has All-Star level upside. His BBIQ and fundamentals are off the chart and has shown he can be a great rebounder and very good low post presence. Without Doc telling him to ignore offensive rebounding I am expecting big things from Sully.

So I would trade Humph, Sully and a first for LMA. Or Humph, Bradley and a 1st for LMA or I would trade Humph and a couple firsts for LMA. Anything else is overpaying.

I'd absolutely do that deal. Avery is a defensive specialist tweener, a role player. Sully may have upside but he does have size & athletic limitations and a questionable back. I think if you can can get an all-star caliber big man for 2 role players, an expiring, and picks that would likely be towards the later first round, you take that deal.

I would not do that trade as well. That is too many assets to give up for Aldridge. I like Aldridge and think he is a good player, but I don't think he is good enough to win you a championship with Rondo and Green. That is way too much assets to give up for someone who will only make you mediocre at best

[action781]

how about this 3 teamer?

Bucks send:  Udoh, Ridnour
Bucks recieve:   Wallace, 1st rounder

Celts send:  Hump, Wallace, Bradley, Sully, three 1sts
Celts receive:  Aldridge

Blazers send:  Aldrige
Blazers recieve:  Udoh, Humphries, Bradley, Sully, two 1sts

??

Blazers get solid young talent who are on a combined $19M in expiring deals.  Lots of flexibility going forward when combined with those two extra 1st rounders.
Lillard/Bradley/Mathews/Robinson/Udoh could be a pretty solid lineup, and if not they can easily reset in 2014 free agency.

Bucks trade two dimes for a quarter & get a 1st rounder for their trouble.

Celts fast forward the rebuild, end up with a lineup that goes as far as Rondo can take us:
Rondo / Ridnour
Lee / Crawford / Brooks
Green / Bogans
Bass / Olynyk
Aldridge

and you still have that TE + extra 1sts to make a subsiquent deal to further bolster the front line, maybe someone like Asik.   


but...any chance this is enough for Portland to move LA?

Sully, Bradley, a $12 million expiring contract and 3 1st rounders for Aldridge??

For Durant or Lebron or Howard...okay, I see that. For Aldridge?? No way. Not even close.

Are you saying that if you are Boston, you wouldn't do this?  Note that we would unload Gerald Wallace in this deal which it would take us at least a first rounder to get rid of itself, very likely more.

I would do this as Boston.  Aldridge is an all star level player.  Bradley and Sullinger will be role players.  Celtics have an absolute plethora of draft picks to deal.  So many that in 2018, they will have drafted like 13 players over the previous 4 seasons.  No way they can keep them all under contract.  The purpose of having all of them is so they can be moved for a star and Aldridge is a very solid one that may be available.

Yup, I'm saying I wouldn't do it. I think you are underestimating the upside of Bradley and Sully. Bradley is pretty much going to be a fixture on the All-Defense team for years to come and probably develop into a 10-15 PPG scorer. Sully has All-Star level upside. His BBIQ and fundamentals are off the chart and has shown he can be a great rebounder and very good low post presence. Without Doc telling him to ignore offensive rebounding I am expecting big things from Sully.

So I would trade Humph, Sully and a first for LMA. Or Humph, Bradley and a 1st for LMA or I would trade Humph and a couple firsts for LMA. Anything else is overpaying.

I agree with your assessment of Bradley.  But those guys guys can be found in free agency.  When I think of other players that fit that mold, I think Tony Allen, Raja Bell, Bruce Bowen.  All players who I'd love to have on my team, but all players who make around $5 mil a year and can be signed in free agency. 

I don't entirely disagree with your assessment of Sullinger.  All-star level upside?  Sure.  But so did Gerald Green.  And you can't ignore Sullinger's injury history.  I think there's a greater chance that Sullinger does not become a future all-star than him becoming one.

Whereas in return we are getting back an already proven all-star level player and the type of player that is very difficult to sign in free agency.

[mmmmm]

how about this 3 teamer?

Bucks send:  Udoh, Ridnour
Bucks recieve:   Wallace, 1st rounder

Celts send:  Hump, Wallace, Bradley, Sully, three 1sts
Celts receive:  Aldridge

Blazers send:  Aldrige
Blazers recieve:  Udoh, Humphries, Bradley, Sully, two 1sts

??

Blazers get solid young talent who are on a combined $19M in expiring deals.  Lots of flexibility going forward when combined with those two extra 1st rounders.
Lillard/Bradley/Mathews/Robinson/Udoh could be a pretty solid lineup, and if not they can easily reset in 2014 free agency.

Bucks trade two dimes for a quarter & get a 1st rounder for their trouble.

Celts fast forward the rebuild, end up with a lineup that goes as far as Rondo can take us:
Rondo / Ridnour
Lee / Crawford / Brooks
Green / Bogans
Bass / Olynyk
Aldridge

and you still have that TE + extra 1sts to make a subsiquent deal to further bolster the front line, maybe someone like Asik.   


but...any chance this is enough for Portland to move LA?

Sully, Bradley, a $12 million expiring contract and 3 1st rounders for Aldridge??

For Durant or Lebron or Howard...okay, I see that. For Aldridge?? No way. Not even close.

Agreed.  I want Danny to try for Aldridge if he's available, but let's be real.

Aldridge is a top tier talent, but he's not on a peer with Howard's value a year ago.

Howard netted Orlando 4 first round picks (not all of them very high), two good young players (Vucevic, Harkless) and filler.

Garnett, back in 2007, just past his prime, netted two first round picks (one of them a certain lottery pick (ended up being 2009 6th), two top young talents (Jefferson, Gomes - both of whom went on to start a ton of NBA games) and filler.

I don't see LMA being in quite that class of value as either of those guys.   I can see adding one more young player of value in addition to Humps' expiring contract (and his own player value) but I would not add two prospects.   If it took adding both Bradley AND Sully, I'd reduce the number of 1st round picks to just one.

I think if I'm Danny I would start the offer with Hump + both 2014 picks.  I'd then up the offer by adding one more of the future picks except for the 2016 Nets pick.   From there, I'd consider adding a player and taking off picks in order to move the negotiations.

[LooseCannon]

Sullinger and two, maybe three, firsts seems like what they might ask for, if Sullinger shows he could be a 15/9 guy.