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Re: Summer league thoughts
« Reply #60 on: July 08, 2013, 01:40:38 PM »

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I can't wait for Oly to get into a real NBA training regiment. He obviously won't turn into an athletic freak, but he can improve his core strength, lateral movement and vertical with the right kind of work. That'd be scary.

Re: Summer league thoughts
« Reply #61 on: July 08, 2013, 01:46:08 PM »

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The part of Oly's game that will immediately get better is his rebounding.  He doesn't shy away from contact & will learn what it takes to get better at that department.  He's not as bad as some on here are making it 1 summer league game in.  He'll be able to rebound just fine IMO.

Defense, lateral movement, that will all get better as well once the team D is installed.  He'll have a better idea of what he needs to do at that point.  For now, its just a pickup game with players using there speed to get by him on the perimeter.  That will change come real time & once the work is put in.

Believe me, we have a bball junkie here that will put in the work needed to get better in the spots he needs to improve on.
Rebounding is the last thing that will get better... if ever. It's about anticipation where the ball is going and quick reaction, and he seems to lack both. For what it's worth, rebounding is typically considered a skill that translates well from college to the pros -- so if he wasn't a good rebounder in college, I don't see how he will miraculously become one in the NBA.
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Re: Summer league thoughts
« Reply #62 on: July 08, 2013, 01:53:55 PM »

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The part of Oly's game that will immediately get better is his rebounding.  He doesn't shy away from contact & will learn what it takes to get better at that department.  He's not as bad as some on here are making it 1 summer league game in.  He'll be able to rebound just fine IMO.

Defense, lateral movement, that will all get better as well once the team D is installed.  He'll have a better idea of what he needs to do at that point.  For now, its just a pickup game with players using there speed to get by him on the perimeter.  That will change come real time & once the work is put in.

Believe me, we have a bball junkie here that will put in the work needed to get better in the spots he needs to improve on.
Rebounding is the last thing that will get better... if ever. It's about anticipation where the ball is going and quick reaction, and he seems to lack both. For what it's worth, rebounding is typically considered a skill that translates well from college to the pros -- so if he wasn't a good rebounder in college, I don't see how he will miraculously become one in the NBA.

That's just it, he wasn't a poor rebounder in college.  I don't know where this speculation comes from, I assume based on his athletic ability.  The guy was 7th in his conference with 7 rebounds per, and did it in only 25 minutes per game.

Once the defensive system is installed, he'll know where to be and what his assignment is.  His rebounding will be fine once that is set in stone.  It wasn't a liability in college and it won't be here.

Re: Summer league thoughts
« Reply #63 on: July 08, 2013, 02:03:34 PM »

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That's just it, he wasn't a poor rebounder in college.
He had a 16.5 rebounding percentage as a senior, 15.6 overall for his college career. For comparison, the NCAA leader had 22.5 TRB% last season, and the NBA leader (Asik) -- 22.

So maybe not poor, but decidedly average (given that the average NBA center that plays 20+ minutes rebounds at ~16.5 clip, I'd be happy if Olynyk manages to replicate his college stats with the pros).
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Re: Summer league thoughts
« Reply #64 on: July 08, 2013, 02:06:24 PM »

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I mean... as soon as I saw the "OMG DANNY IS AN IDIOT FOR DRAFTING OLY" threads, I predicted that by Summerleague half the forum would be comparing him to Dirk.  Very predictable.  It's easy to get excited when it's a white boy knocking down shots against weak competition.  Gotta keep reminding yourself that in Summerleague, players like Joe Forte look like hall of famers.  If you're a top pick and you're not dropping 20 a night, that's cause for concern.

But really, he looks good.  Seems to have good form.  Solid footwork.  I had read yesterday a quote that said he was an above-average passer and he seemed to live up to that today.  He seems to be able to score in a variety of ways.   He handles the ball pretty well.

He's got almost no explosiveness, though and he's not a great rebounder or defender.  He'll struggle against quicker/athletic players in the bigs.  But he didn't look like a wasted pick this morning.  He looked like a lotto talent.   It's going to be fun watching him develop.

As someone else mentioned, it is RARE to have big men shine in the summer league games!!!  Guards usually shine and that doesn't always translate to the big league as you aptly pointed out with Joe Forte.  (Another UNC disappointment:-)))))

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Fwiw, Sully kind of stunk in summer league last year so you're probably right.  Sully shot like 30%. 

In 5 summer league games for the Clippers last year, Adam Morrison averaged 20 points with 55%/61%/80% shooting percentages.  Just sayin.

He shot 40% from the floor and 90% at the line and averaged almost a double/double at 11 and 9!!

http://www.nba.com/summer-league/2012/players/sl_jared_sullinger/index.html

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Re: Summer league thoughts
« Reply #65 on: July 08, 2013, 02:10:08 PM »

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I mean... as soon as I saw the "OMG DANNY IS AN IDIOT FOR DRAFTING OLY" threads, I predicted that by Summerleague half the forum would be comparing him to Dirk.  Very predictable.  It's easy to get excited when it's a white boy knocking down shots against weak competition.  Gotta keep reminding yourself that in Summerleague, players like Joe Forte look like hall of famers.  If you're a top pick and you're not dropping 20 a night, that's cause for concern.

But really, he looks good.  Seems to have good form.  Solid footwork.  I had read yesterday a quote that said he was an above-average passer and he seemed to live up to that today.  He seems to be able to score in a variety of ways.   He handles the ball pretty well.

He's got almost no explosiveness, though and he's not a great rebounder or defender.  He'll struggle against quicker/athletic players in the bigs.  But he didn't look like a wasted pick this morning.  He looked like a lotto talent.   It's going to be fun watching him develop.

As someone else mentioned, it is RARE to have big men shine in the summer league games!!!  Guards usually shine and that doesn't always translate to the big league as you aptly pointed out with Joe Forte.  (Another UNC disappointment:-)))))

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Fwiw, Sully kind of stunk in summer league last year so you're probably right.  Sully shot like 30%. 

In 5 summer league games for the Clippers last year, Adam Morrison averaged 20 points with 55%/61%/80% shooting percentages.  Just sayin.

He shot 40% from the floor and 90% at the line and averaged almost a double/double at 11 and 9!!

http://www.nba.com/summer-league/2012/players/sl_jared_sullinger/index.html

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He shot .400 in Orlando, and .300 in Vegas. I don't think averaging 12 and 8 (which is not "almost a double-double") can compensate for his horrific efficiency.
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Re: Summer league thoughts
« Reply #66 on: July 08, 2013, 02:28:30 PM »

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Olynyk nba rebounding avg will remain about 7 a game. Maybe at his best 8 and some games he gets double digits.

He needs to be paired with a guy who can at least rebound.  Like Chandler and Nowitzki combo. And fortunately we got a beast rebounder in Sullinger. Humphries is also competent.
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Re: Summer league thoughts
« Reply #67 on: July 08, 2013, 05:01:50 PM »

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- olynyk again the mvp of game 2. Only 13 pts and 6 rebounds, but he had three key buckets in the third to propel the celts for the win.

- Pressey full press defense in the 1st was ABesque.

- Iverson looks like a **** to play against. Hustle, bumps, bruises, rebounds. Moves really well now vs the clips on youtube. Really like his game

- Another forgettable night for Melo.  Just lack of impact and two dunks blocked. At least he drew three charges. It's kind of funny if you think about it

- Celtics played much better vs Det than Orl. Defense was intense
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Re: Summer league thoughts
« Reply #68 on: July 08, 2013, 05:46:37 PM »

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- olynyk again the mvp of game 2. Only 13 pts and 6 rebounds, but he had three key buckets in the third to propel the celts for the win.

- Pressey full press defense in the 1st was ABesque.

- Iverson looks like a **** to play against. Hustle, bumps, bruises, rebounds. Moves really well now vs the clips on youtube. Really like his game

- Another forgettable night for Melo.  Just lack of impact and two dunks blocked. At least he drew three charges. It's kind of funny if you think about it

- Celtics played much better vs Det than Orl. Defense was intense

In fairness to Fab, he barely was out there.  I think he only played like 18 minutes or so.  6 pts, 3 rebounds in limited action with a couple block shots, and also took 3 charges.

I thought he did ok for the limited time he was out there.

Re: Summer league thoughts
« Reply #69 on: July 08, 2013, 05:53:17 PM »

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Re: Summer league thoughts
« Reply #70 on: July 08, 2013, 06:20:42 PM »

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I mean... as soon as I saw the "OMG DANNY IS AN IDIOT FOR DRAFTING OLY" threads, I predicted that by Summerleague half the forum would be comparing him to Dirk.  Very predictable.  It's easy to get excited when it's a white boy knocking down shots against weak competition.  Gotta keep reminding yourself that in Summerleague, players like Joe Forte look like hall of famers.  If you're a top pick and you're not dropping 20 a night, that's cause for concern.

But really, he looks good.  Seems to have good form.  Solid footwork.  I had read yesterday a quote that said he was an above-average passer and he seemed to live up to that today.  He seems to be able to score in a variety of ways.   He handles the ball pretty well.

He's got almost no explosiveness, though and he's not a great rebounder or defender.  He'll struggle against quicker/athletic players in the bigs.  But he didn't look like a wasted pick this morning.  He looked like a lotto talent.   It's going to be fun watching him develop.

As someone else mentioned, it is RARE to have big men shine in the summer league games!!!  Guards usually shine and that doesn't always translate to the big league as you aptly pointed out with Joe Forte.  (Another UNC disappointment:-)))))

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Fwiw, Sully kind of stunk in summer league last year so you're probably right.  Sully shot like 30%. 

In 5 summer league games for the Clippers last year, Adam Morrison averaged 20 points with 55%/61%/80% shooting percentages.  Just sayin.

He shot 40% from the floor and 90% at the line and averaged almost a double/double at 11 and 9!!

http://www.nba.com/summer-league/2012/players/sl_jared_sullinger/index.html

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He shot .400 in Orlando, and .300 in Vegas. I don't think averaging 12 and 8 (which is not "almost a double-double") can compensate for his horrific efficiency.

I recall him being overly fatigued during the Summer League last year.

Re: Summer league thoughts
« Reply #71 on: July 08, 2013, 06:26:05 PM »

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In fairness to Fab, he barely was out there.  I think he only played like 18 minutes or so.  6 pts, 3 rebounds in limited action with a couple block shots, and also took 3 charges.

I thought he did ok for the limited time he was out there.

Iverson was a +29 PER and had 5 boards in 13 minutes.  He deserves some PT next game.   Melo has improved offensively that is obvious but is still suspect on the boards.  Melo was  a +3 PER today.

Nice to see some improvement ( on the offensive end) but he is one of the worst seven foot rebounders I have ever seen.

Re: Summer league thoughts
« Reply #72 on: July 08, 2013, 06:30:52 PM »

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I'm surprised how fluid KO is.  Him being a PG until a HS junior year growth sports explains a lot. The NAB is about either skill or power.  Very few bigs have enough size and power, along with some skill, to score consistently.  Very few bigs have perimeter skills and great size like KO. 

I can see why Ainge traded up for him.  With his three point game and driving ability, he's going to be a handful for bigger covers, and he has enough McHale like post moves to punish smaller covers.  I look forward to seeing Olynyk against real NAB players.   

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« Reply #73 on: July 08, 2013, 07:12:30 PM »

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In fairness to Fab, he barely was out there.  I think he only played like 18 minutes or so.  6 pts, 3 rebounds in limited action with a couple block shots, and also took 3 charges.

I thought he did ok for the limited time he was out there.

Iverson was a +29 PER and had 5 boards in 13 minutes.  He deserves some PT next game.   Melo has improved offensively that is obvious but is still suspect on the boards.  Melo was  a +3 PER today.

Nice to see some improvement ( on the offensive end) but he is one of the worst seven foot rebounders I have ever seen.

Raw +/- numbers in a summer league game? That's not a very useful stat.

Like aingeforfree said, he didn't look to bad and filled up on charges and blocks.

Re: Summer league thoughts
« Reply #74 on: July 08, 2013, 07:37:02 PM »

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I mean... as soon as I saw the "OMG DANNY IS AN IDIOT FOR DRAFTING OLY" threads, I predicted that by Summerleague half the forum would be comparing him to Dirk.  Very predictable.  It's easy to get excited when it's a white boy knocking down shots against weak competition.  Gotta keep reminding yourself that in Summerleague, players like Joe Forte look like hall of famers.  If you're a top pick and you're not dropping 20 a night, that's cause for concern.

But really, he looks good.  Seems to have good form.  Solid footwork.  I had read yesterday a quote that said he was an above-average passer and he seemed to live up to that today.  He seems to be able to score in a variety of ways.   He handles the ball pretty well.

He's got almost no explosiveness, though and he's not a great rebounder or defender.  He'll struggle against quicker/athletic players in the bigs.  But he didn't look like a wasted pick this morning.  He looked like a lotto talent.   It's going to be fun watching him develop.

As someone else mentioned, it is RARE to have big men shine in the summer league games!!!  Guards usually shine and that doesn't always translate to the big league as you aptly pointed out with Joe Forte.  (Another UNC disappointment:-)))))

Smitty77
Fwiw, Sully kind of stunk in summer league last year so you're probably right.  Sully shot like 30%. 

In 5 summer league games for the Clippers last year, Adam Morrison averaged 20 points with 55%/61%/80% shooting percentages.  Just sayin.

He shot 40% from the floor and 90% at the line and averaged almost a double/double at 11 and 9!!

http://www.nba.com/summer-league/2012/players/sl_jared_sullinger/index.html

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He shot .400 in Orlando, and .300 in Vegas. I don't think averaging 12 and 8 (which is not "almost a double-double") can compensate for his horrific efficiency.

I recall him being overly fatigued during the Summer League last year.

Sully shot .347 in FG% and .773 on FTs in summer league last year.  The best he did was in rebounding, at 8.4 per game in about 27 minutes per game.

Olynyk has been rebounding at just about the same rate, with 13 boards in 48 minutes so far, but that's been the least of his contributions, as he's shot .667 so far, including .500 from the 3 (compared to Sully's .166 from the 3) and 1.00 on FTs, and has been passing up a storm.  They showed some different strengths and weaknesses on defense.

But I think it's fair to say Olynyk has significantly outpaced Sully's summer league showing last year.  (To be fair, Olynyk is two years older than Sully was then.)

 

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