Trade idea: Avery Bradley and Brandon Bass for JJ Redick

[Monkhouse]

I don't see why every one is so pressed on denying this trade.

If anything this is the only trade so far (no offense) where I feel its possible.

Bucks have terrible defense, and everyone knows this. Basketball reference is blocked on my work computer  .

But Bucks I believe were somewhere around top 15 for PPG allowed.

That is pretty terrible.

It would definitely help if they got Bradley, who can be a defensive stopper since Ellis/Jennings aren't that good on defense. Getting a back court of Jennings/Bradley would be nice. I think getting rid of Ellis is the best thing for them to do, but they'll most likely lose Redick who'd like to join for a contender.

We may not be contending, but we'll be close to it if we acquire enough pieces.

I agree that if Rondo is feeding Redick, and if he scores anywhere near 40%, guaranteed he's going to be scoring at least 17 PPG.

If I could get him for Bradley, and dump Brandon Bass's salary, then you have to do it.

[erisred]

Looking at Milwaukee's needs and contract situations, I don't see any situation where they want to take on Bradley (or, to them, another undersized guard). Nor do they particularly need another PF.

Also, I've read that their preferred backcourt of the future would be Ellis and Reddick. With that in mind, I'd try to trade for Jennings to keep as an instant offense/sixth man type (while jettisoning some of the redundancy there in Crawford and Terry).

Redick doesn't want to stay with the Bucks. That leaves them with just Ellis at SG. They have plenty of PF's so they aren't going to want Bass.  Offer them Lee and Crawford or Lee and Bradley in the sign and trade.

[Atzar]

I don't see why every one is so pressed on denying this trade.

If anything this is the only trade so far (no offense) where I feel its possible.

Bucks have terrible defense, and everyone knows this. Basketball reference is blocked on my work computer  .

But Bucks I believe were somewhere around top 15 for PPG allowed.

That is pretty terrible.

It would definitely help if they got Bradley, who can be a defensive stopper since Ellis/Jennings aren't that good on defense. Getting a back court of Jennings/Bradley would be nice. I think getting rid of Ellis is the best thing for them to do, but they'll most likely lose Redick who'd like to join for a contender.

We may not be contending, but we'll be close to it if we acquire enough pieces.

I agree that if Rondo is feeding Redick, and if he scores anywhere near 40%, guaranteed he's going to be scoring at least 17 PPG.

If I could get him for Bradley, and dump Brandon Bass's salary, then you have to do it.

The Bucks are 12th of 30 in defensive rating.  That's not terrible; that's actually a tick above average. 

As for Redick, he's an average scorer and an overrated shooter (.366 from deep last year, .390 for his career).  Solid passer.  Willing defender with decent strength but lacking length and athleticism.  In other words, not the kind of talent I'm looking to unload young talent for.

And let's stop acting like Bass is a negative asset and that teams would doing us a favor by taking him.  He's a borderline starter who returned to his 2011-2012 form at the end of the season and has displayed an ability to defend guys like Carmelo and LeBron.  If teams really view him as a throw-in, then let's just keep him; I can live with his production over the last couple of months from my fifth starter.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Too much for JJ! No thanks.


To me Bass is more valuable for our team than JJ would be. JJ can't defend well while Bass can do a decent job on Melo and Lebron while allowing JG and PP to not have to expend their all on containing them. Bass showed up in the playoffs. You can find other shooters for cheaper. Then you added AB into that mix, no sir!

[Celtics4ever]

Here is the problem. 

Bass per 36
points 11.8
assists 1.4
rebounds 6.8
Free throw 86%
Field Goal 48.6%
3P FG 0%


Avery Bradley, 6' 2", 180 pounds, Per 36 minutes:
points 11.6
assists 2.6
rebounds 2.8
Free throw 75%
Field Goal 40.1%
3P FG 31.7%

JJ Redick, 6' 4", 191 pounds Per 36 minutes (for Orlando)
points 17.3
assists 5.0
rebounds 2.7
Free throw  89%
Field goal 45%
3P Field goal 39%

your giving up:

points 23.4    for    17.3
assists 4.0 for  5.0
rebounds 9.6  for  2.7

Doesn't it seem like we are giving up too much for him.  Bass is not ideal but he is steady and decent.   Bradley is a superb defender, I think we are getting too little out of this trade.

Also 31 MPG is the most he has ever played and 15 PPG is the most he has scored.

[KGs Knee]

It is pretty much a forgone conclusion JJ will not be back with the Bucks next year. They should take whatever reasonable offer they can get.

Lee and salary filler should be a good enough return for them (remember JJ is not obligated to re-sign).  The question ps whether or not either the C's, or JJ, have a mutual interest or not.

[CelticConcourse]

We have Lee already, who's just as good if not better is essentially all statistical categories on both ends of the court. I wrote a post about it a while ago.

Lee >>> Reddick

[CelticConcourse]

We have Lee already, who's just as good if not better is essentially all statistical categories on both ends of the court. I wrote a post about it a while ago.

Lee >>> Reddick

Courtney Lee vs. JJ Reddick
DRtg: 104 - 113
3P%: .372 - .366
FG%: .464 - .434
Ast: 2.7 - 3.8
Reb: 3.5 - 1.9
Blk: 0.4 - 0.1
Stl: 1.7 - 0.3
Tov: 1.1 - 1.2
Age: 27 - 28

Is this a comparison? Lee is far superior, and this was a down year for him.

[ejk3489]

We have Lee already, who's just as good if not better is essentially all statistical categories on both ends of the court. I wrote a post about it a while ago.

Lee >>> Reddick

Courtney Lee vs. JJ Reddick
DRtg: 104 - 113
3P%: .372 - .366
FG%: .464 - .434
Ast: 2.7 - 3.8
Reb: 3.5 - 1.9
Blk: 0.4 - 0.1
Stl: 1.7 - 0.3
Tov: 1.1 - 1.2
Age: 27 - 28

Is this a comparison? Lee is far superior, and this was a down year for him.

You left out a few  important categories...

Redick vs Lee this year (per 36):

PTS: 16.6 > 11.4
AST: 4.5 > 2.7
FT%: .900 > .861
TS%: .571 > .545
AST%: 20 > 11.7
ORtg: 111 > 102

To call Lee "far superior" is a gross exaggeration. Redick has actually been slightly better than Lee throughout his career: http://bkref.com/tiny/76Qtj

[chambers]

We have Lee already, who's just as good if not better is essentially all statistical categories on both ends of the court. I wrote a post about it a while ago.

Lee >>> Reddick

Courtney Lee vs. JJ Reddick
DRtg: 104 - 113
3P%: .372 - .366
FG%: .464 - .434
Ast: 2.7 - 3.8
Reb: 3.5 - 1.9
Blk: 0.4 - 0.1
Stl: 1.7 - 0.3
Tov: 1.1 - 1.2
Age: 27 - 28

Is this a comparison? Lee is far superior, and this was a down year for him.

I've got Lee as a 44% Fg career and 39% 3 point shooter on 12.9 ppg per 36 minutes.
He didn't play vs the Knicks in the playoffs. Now granted Rondo hasn't played with him much at all but he played with Kyle Lowry in Houston for a fair while.

Redick has never played with a true pass first point guard, he's a specialist at coming off picks and almost imitating Ray Allen. He's a poor mans Ray Allen but he's a better weapon to space the floor than Bradley or Lee.

Bradley will be up for a new deal soon.
Moving Bass means we move his deal too. It's not the worst deal to me it's easier to move Redick deal than Bass if we want to accelerate a blow up.

Just consider that Redick would 90% average 20ppg with Rondo passing to him.
That's solid for 7 or 8 million a year, it's a bargain.
I know had a bad year but current form suggests Redick is the better player than all of Lee, Bass or Bradley.

[KCattheStripe]

Wow is that an overpay.

[chambers]

Wow is that an overpay.

Clears Bass off books and we get a better starting shooting guard.
Gotta give up Bradley.
Perhaps they'd take Lee but I'm not sure.
They are similar players, Redick being the better player this past season.
If the Bucks want to keep a player like Redick in their stable then Lee would be a good swap.
They have to agree to a sign and trade for this to work.
Perhaps they'd take Lee and a few of the China scrubs or Lee + Melo.

Either way Bradley is probably gone in a sign and trade before his contract is up.

[KCattheStripe]

Wow is that an overpay.

Clears Bass off books and we get a better starting shooting guard.
Gotta give up Bradley.
Perhaps they'd take Lee but I'm not sure.
They are similar players, Redick being the better player this past season.
If the Bucks want to keep a player like Redick in their stable then Lee would be a good swap.
They have to agree to a sign and trade for this to work.
Perhaps they'd take Lee and a few of the China scrubs or Lee + Melo.

Either way Bradley is probably gone in a sign and trade before his contract is up.

Bass' contract is not so toxic you give up Bradley to get JJ Reddick.

[#1P4P]

One of the 2 best defensive guards in the league at 23 years old can be the centerpiece for a reward greater than Redick (who's a good player, but has reached his ceiling) and will develop into a better player than Redick before his rookie contract is over.

Avery's holding the deepest position in the league to the lowest FG% of all defenders. His ability to defend allows Rondo to save his energy on defense to attack on offense. He has to get better on offense and he will...

That said, Bradley's a luxury for a contender and I think a healthy version of this team is still a contender (if Sullinger continues to develop as well). If it isn't, he should be packaged for a scorer that hasn't reached his potential (best case scenario is Eric Gordon; the other options could be Marcus Thornton or Evan Turner).

[Atzar]

Wow is that an overpay.

Clears Bass off books and we get a better starting shooting guard.
Gotta give up Bradley.
Perhaps they'd take Lee but I'm not sure.
They are similar players, Redick being the better player this past season.
If the Bucks want to keep a player like Redick in their stable then Lee would be a good swap.
They have to agree to a sign and trade for this to work.
Perhaps they'd take Lee and a few of the China scrubs or Lee + Melo.

Either way Bradley is probably gone in a sign and trade before his contract is up.

Bass' contract is not so toxic you give up Bradley to get JJ Reddick.

Thank you.  I'm not sure why people think Bass is a negative asset.  He's not.