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Re: The Lebron flopping thread
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2013, 04:58:42 PM »

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He trips, his heel gets clipped by the other player. He probably is selling the fall a bit but nothing crazy there.

Re: The Lebron flopping thread
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2013, 05:17:21 PM »

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Who sells it better? LeFlop or Batista?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rdSa2lSajs
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Re: The Lebron flopping thread
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2013, 05:18:50 PM »

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I'm waiting to see Lebron try this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68lCirTAurw

Re: The Lebron flopping thread
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2013, 05:24:30 PM »

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I'd like to make this a general flopping thread and copy my post from the playoffs thread over:

I like how West sees LeBron flop and immediately breaks out the counterflop.  Ladies and gentlemen, the 2013 NBA!

Yep.  The (semi-)rare "double flop".

I believe that is actually known as the "flopino effect", where one flop directly leads to another.  We had a great classic double-flop earlier in the playoffs:



Now I want to start a flopping dictionary.  Of course if the Spurs play the Heat it'd probably have to be totally rewritten afterward to accommodate all the emergent flopping.  Every contested rebound's gonna end up looking like the last half of a Harlem Shake video at a vertigo clinic.

Re: The Lebron flopping thread
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2013, 05:30:40 PM »

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Re: Are you anti-Lebron? Do you need a laugh?
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Re: The Lebron flopping thread
« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2013, 05:49:02 PM »

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So happy LeBron fouled out. the "treatment" needs to stop once and for all.

Re: The Lebron flopping thread
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2013, 06:16:37 PM »

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Don't know when flopping got so easy to see at the NBA level but it sure does seems to coincide with the internationalization of the players. Most of those players were probably brought up playing and watching soccer.

As an aside, NBA flopping has become almost as comically entertaining as soccer flops. Of course, that's probably because soccer players can fly through the air and only have to worry about landing on soft turf and not a hard wood floor.

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« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2013, 06:19:19 PM »

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Don't know when flopping got so easy to see at the NBA level but it sure does seems to coincide with the internationalization of the players. Most of those players were probably brought up playing and watching soccer.

As an aside, NBA flopping has become almost as comically entertaining as soccer flops. Of course, that's probably because soccer players can fly through the air and only have to worry about landing on soft turf and not a hard wood floor.

LeBron playing and watching soccer?  ??? ???
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Re: The Lebron flopping thread
« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2013, 06:53:30 PM »

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Don't know when flopping got so easy to see at the NBA level but it sure does seems to coincide with the internationalization of the players. Most of those players were probably brought up playing and watching soccer.

As an aside, NBA flopping has become almost as comically entertaining as soccer flops. Of course, that's probably because soccer players can fly through the air and only have to worry about landing on soft turf and not a hard wood floor.

LeBron playing and watching soccer?  ??? ???
Internationalization of the players. Meaning when players born outside of America started playing regularly here in the NBA.

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Re: The Lebron flopping thread
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Don't know when flopping got so easy to see at the NBA level but it sure does seems to coincide with the internationalization of the players. Most of those players were probably brought up playing and watching soccer.

As an aside, NBA flopping has become almost as comically entertaining as soccer flops. Of course, that's probably because soccer players can fly through the air and only have to worry about landing on soft turf and not a hard wood floor.

LeBron playing and watching soccer?  ??? ???
Internationalization of the players. Meaning when players born outside of America started playing regularly here in the NBA.
Yeah I got that.

I guess LeBron just learned from their ways...?
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Re: The Lebron flopping thread
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2013, 07:24:50 PM »

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Don't know when flopping got so easy to see at the NBA level but it sure does seems to coincide with the internationalization of the players. Most of those players were probably brought up playing and watching soccer.

As an aside, NBA flopping has become almost as comically entertaining as soccer flops. Of course, that's probably because soccer players can fly through the air and only have to worry about landing on soft turf and not a hard wood floor.

LeBron playing and watching soccer?  ??? ???
Internationalization of the players. Meaning when players born outside of America started playing regularly here in the NBA.
Yeah I got that.

I guess LeBron just learned from their ways...?
Well once one player does it, everyone has to do it. Sort of like Michael Jordan's long shorts. ;)

Re: The Lebron flopping thread
« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2013, 07:31:58 PM »

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Don't know when flopping got so easy to see at the NBA level but it sure does seems to coincide with the internationalization of the players. Most of those players were probably brought up playing and watching soccer.

As an aside, NBA flopping has become almost as comically entertaining as soccer flops. Of course, that's probably because soccer players can fly through the air and only have to worry about landing on soft turf and not a hard wood floor.

LeBron playing and watching soccer?  ??? ???
Internationalization of the players. Meaning when players born outside of America started playing regularly here in the NBA.
Yeah I got that.

I guess LeBron just learned from their ways...?
Well once one player does it, everyone has to do it. Sort of like Michael Jordan's long shorts. ;)

This got me thinking, so I did some serious investigative work on my own.

Casually, you will see discussions of flopping attribute it to the Euros and soccer:

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"The ugly trend of faking physical contact began in soccer...now the NBA will have an opportunity to deter players from trying to simulate violent contact in ways made famous by Vlade Divac, Manu Ginobili and Anderson Varejao."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/ian_thomsen/09/28/nba-flopping-david-stern/

But, a lot of the great floppers predate the Euro invasion. This earlier article points out that Reggie Miller, Laimbeer, Rodman, et al. were flopping at a high level even in the late 1980s.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=neumann/070607

You can quite clearly see Laimbeer, named in the previous article as the best of all time, executing a very convincing flop at 0:45 of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMiVs2SInCY

And even later in that video someone is holding a sign referring to Laimbeer as "flip-flop," indicating early use of the term.

[Aside: there is an absolutely classic clip of Johnny Most going wild - with no audio, which somehow makes it even better - starting at around 1:40.]

Vlade, who will spring to everyone's mind as the first great Euro flopper, really did not become known for flopping until the 1990s, and was in fact drafted in 1989 so he really could not have predated people like Laimbeer. But he certainly contributed to the refinement of flopping as an art form.

I'd say ultimately that flopping developed like a lot of other things in America - probably from many influences all coming together from different places.

Re: The Lebron flopping thread
« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2013, 07:33:21 PM »

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The core of the flopping issue is that it works. 

The bad part is a flop can work by tricking a ref into calling something that's not a violation. 

The REALLY bad part is a flop can work by getting the ref to call something that IS a violation but wouldn't get whistled if the flop didn't get their attention or force their hand.

A fair number of flops really are fouls by the book, but the players are selling them to maximize their chances of getting a call.  It's kind of like framing a guy who's actually guilty to ensure a conviction.