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Re: A core of Rondo-Bradley-Green-Sully-Center will win a title
« Reply #90 on: May 25, 2013, 11:14:19 PM »

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lol... Yogi/Celtics18 ...  lot of effort spent arguing whether Tony Parker is slightly better than Rondo (Parker is a back-to-back All-NBA 2nd team ... Rondo was All-NBA 3rd team last year) ... or whether Sully's ceiling will ever reach SPlitter's current level...

You're missing my overall point here.  You remove Pierce/KG from Boston (a 41 win also-ran) and claim the remaining core is a future title contender is almost as foolish as removing DUncan/Ginobili from the Spurs (a 58 win contender) and claiming the remaining core is a future title contender.

Thread is nonsense.  Remove KG and Pierce from Boston and you're lookin at a lotto ticket.

Not at all

1.  I was responding to a very specific comparison between the 4 Spurs players and 4 Celtics.  This was not a part of the greater argument. 

2.  Ironically, while accusing us of missing the point, it is you who missed the OP's original point.  As pointed out earlier, the potential for these 4 being a championship core is in the future.  In 3 years time, Rondo and Green will be in their absolute prime like Parker is now.  Bradley and Sullinger will be 24 and 25 entering their prime years.  Considering that all 4 of those Celtics are young and coming off surgeries/injuries that held them back this season it is not unreasonable to expect they would improve a lot over the next three years.  If Fab can develop also in that time you're looking at potentially

MVP level player in Rondo
Lockdown 3 and D wing Bradley
20 5 5 Jeff Green
17 10 Sullinger
Shot blocking, long and mobile 7ft presence in Fab Melo (or Steven Adams).

This core is young, athletic, long, and can shoot.  Great balance of defense and offense.  Rondo, Green and Sully can dominate the post.  Add the further draft picks and cap space with the retirement of KG, Paul and Terry (also Bass who may or may not be extended) why can't this be a championship core in 3 years?  This is close to the best case scenario but we are talking about potential.

thank you
and we aren't even talking about playoffs
i dont think sully gets to 17ppg, but even if we get a 7footer who can score, i'm not sure why ppl are so pessimistic.

with the exception of injuries, you're asking everyone to do what they did with MINOR developments (JG and his left, AB and his long distance which was excellent season before last, Rondo and his long distance which was obviously developing, Sully catch 2 - 3 more rebounds per game than he did in january 2013).

at worst, you need a center who can run the floor. that's it...i'd even take a deandre jordan on that team.

only thing i agree with is the team is a bit small, but again, you get a 7 footer and hope rondo is still fast, i'm not sure there's too many problems.
the only problem, it still wont win a championship. there are too many better teams that are ELITE. this roster wont beat the thunder. it may be entertaining but it wont bring us a banner. i see this starting line up filled with roll players and six men.
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Re: A core of Rondo-Bradley-Green-Sully-Center will win a title
« Reply #91 on: May 25, 2013, 11:16:14 PM »

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With an all-star 7' 20/10/2 machine in the center spot, yes.

Other than that, I'm not sure who gets the bucket when one is really needed.  Jeff Green is a 20pt guy, but not a #1 closer.  Rondo isn't the go-to scorer.  Sully's best points are mostly garbage buckets or jumpers; I wouldn't count on him to score in the post, and even the entry pass would be tough given his size, in those closing minutes against top defenses.

Who gets the ball with 2.2 to go in OT?

If the answer is Green or Rondo to score, we're pretenders.

That's Danny's conundrum, because that core with someone like Big Al could probably go pretty far, ECF, much like those Pistons teams.  And that might be the immediate future...

Until the stars align over Boston again...

pretty sure we won a couple of games off JGs clutchiness in the 4th alone...but whatever works

Re: A core of Rondo-Bradley-Green-Sully-Center will win a title
« Reply #92 on: May 25, 2013, 11:21:23 PM »

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lol... Yogi/Celtics18 ...  lot of effort spent arguing whether Tony Parker is slightly better than Rondo (Parker is a back-to-back All-NBA 2nd team ... Rondo was All-NBA 3rd team last year) ... or whether Sully's ceiling will ever reach SPlitter's current level...

You're missing my overall point here.  You remove Pierce/KG from Boston (a 41 win also-ran) and claim the remaining core is a future title contender is almost as foolish as removing DUncan/Ginobili from the Spurs (a 58 win contender) and claiming the remaining core is a future title contender.

Thread is nonsense.  Remove KG and Pierce from Boston and you're lookin at a lotto ticket.

Not at all

1.  I was responding to a very specific comparison between the 4 Spurs players and 4 Celtics.  This was not a part of the greater argument. 

2.  Ironically, while accusing us of missing the point, it is you who missed the OP's original point.  As pointed out earlier, the potential for these 4 being a championship core is in the future.  In 3 years time, Rondo and Green will be in their absolute prime like Parker is now.  Bradley and Sullinger will be 24 and 25 entering their prime years.  Considering that all 4 of those Celtics are young and coming off surgeries/injuries that held them back this season it is not unreasonable to expect they would improve a lot over the next three years.  If Fab can develop also in that time you're looking at potentially

MVP level player in Rondo
Lockdown 3 and D wing Bradley
20 5 5 Jeff Green
17 10 Sullinger
Shot blocking, long and mobile 7ft presence in Fab Melo (or Steven Adams).

This core is young, athletic, long, and can shoot.  Great balance of defense and offense.  Rondo, Green and Sully can dominate the post.  Add the further draft picks and cap space with the retirement of KG, Paul and Terry (also Bass who may or may not be extended) why can't this be a championship core in 3 years?  This is close to the best case scenario but we are talking about potential.

thank you
and we aren't even talking about playoffs
i dont think sully gets to 17ppg, but even if we get a 7footer who can score, i'm not sure why ppl are so pessimistic.

with the exception of injuries, you're asking everyone to do what they did with MINOR developments (JG and his left, AB and his long distance which was excellent season before last, Rondo and his long distance which was obviously developing, Sully catch 2 - 3 more rebounds per game than he did in january 2013).

at worst, you need a center who can run the floor. that's it...i'd even take a deandre jordan on that team.

only thing i agree with is the team is a bit small, but again, you get a 7 footer and hope rondo is still fast, i'm not sure there's too many problems.
the only problem, it still wont win a championship. there are too many better teams that are ELITE. this roster wont beat the thunder. it may be entertaining but it wont bring us a banner. i see this starting line up filled with roll players and six men.

if i'm with yogi, we're talking about in 3 years, and the thunder have to beat whomever's in the west first.
the thunder's window of opportunity is closing, esp if the westbook injury is a naggy one and then kendrick perkins is just trash.
you all HAVE to, HAVE to remember that we are in the East.
With this roster, our biggest issues will be the Heat (who I think will have an aged Dwayne Wade and possibly no BOsh or Lebron by then) and the Pacers (who have lots of talent and could have to deal with players getting money hungry).


Re: A core of Rondo-Bradley-Green-Sully-Center will win a title
« Reply #93 on: May 25, 2013, 11:50:43 PM »

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Let me ask all the people trashing this thread this:

Did anyone think Rondo would be third all time in playoff triple doubles when we drafted him? No.

Did anyone think in 2010 that Avery Bradley would be the best on ball defender in the league who changes a team's defense? No.

Did anyone think Jeff Green would be as good as he is today when the season started (I did but Im pretty sure I was in the substantial minority).

The same doubts are made any time anyone makes a bold statement in sports or life period. Im sure Pacers fans would have thought it was silly if someone had said that Paul George, GeorgeHill, Deshawn Stevenson, David West, and Roy Hibbert would be the Heat's biggest threat, but things happen.

Re: A core of Rondo-Bradley-Green-Sully-Center will win a title
« Reply #94 on: May 25, 2013, 11:55:45 PM »

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Let me ask all the people trashing this thread this:

Did anyone think Rondo would be third all time in playoff triple doubles when we drafted him? No.

Did anyone think in 2010 that Avery Bradley would be the best on ball defender in the league who changes a team's defense? No.

Did anyone think Jeff Green would be as good as he is today when the season started (I did but Im pretty sure I was in the substantial minority).

The same doubts are made any time anyone makes a bold statement in sports or life period. Im sure Pacers fans would have thought it was silly if someone had said that Paul George, GeorgeHill, Deshawn Stevenson, David West, and Roy Hibbert would be the Heat's biggest threat, but things happen.

The worst part is, it's not even DeShawn Stevenson...it's Lance Stephenson lol

Re: A core of Rondo-Bradley-Green-Sully-Center will win a title
« Reply #95 on: May 26, 2013, 12:03:11 AM »

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Rondo - 20 points, 12 assists, 6 rebounds, 2 steals, legit MVP candidate
Bradley - 16 points, 4 rebounds, 2 steals, DPOY
Green - 25 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, top-5 scorer in league
Sully - 15 points, 12 rebounds, ZBo-prime numbers
Center - 8 points, 8 rebounds, 1.5 blocks, not a scrub on either side

Then we'll have JET scoring an efficient 12 off the bench, and some other fillers with 5 to 6 points per game.

Then, we'd have to get lucky in the playoffs for a few games with 40-point performances from Green n' Rondo every so often. Rondo needs a triple-double every national TV game and to average 22/13/7/3 for the Playoffs.

It's possible. But we'd have to avoid injuries all year...
lol... nice




Dude, you clearly disagree with the sentiment of this thread. Why keep posting? We dont need a sarcastic comment every page to remind us. Other people are providing those.



I'm sooooo sorry for all the



... Honestly, I thought the post where Rondo magically starts averaging 20/12/6, Jeff Green starts dropping 25+ a night and Avery Bradley makes DPOY was clearly intended as a goof.  I thought we were all having a laugh here.  My bad.  It's Memorial Day weekend and all... and Arrested Development Season 4 is about to pop onto Netflix.  Thought we were all getting into the comedy spirit with this joke thread.





No more jokes, I promise.  Let's get serious up in this business...



We are totes gonna win a title with those 4 as our core... srsly.

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Re: A core of Rondo-Bradley-Green-Sully-Center will win a title
« Reply #96 on: May 26, 2013, 12:39:43 AM »

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Let me ask all the people trashing this thread this:

Did anyone think Rondo would be third all time in playoff triple doubles when we drafted him? No.

Did anyone think in 2010 that Avery Bradley would be the best on ball defender in the league who changes a team's defense? No.

Did anyone think Jeff Green would be as good as he is today when the season started (I did but Im pretty sure I was in the substantial minority).

The same doubts are made any time anyone makes a bold statement in sports or life period. Im sure Pacers fans would have thought it was silly if someone had said that Paul George, GeorgeHill, Deshawn Stevenson, David West, and Roy Hibbert would be the Heat's biggest threat, but things happen.

We just have to find our Roy Hibbert with the 16th pick in this year's draft. 
DKC Seventy-Sixers:

PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: A core of Rondo-Bradley-Green-Sully-Center will win a title
« Reply #97 on: May 26, 2013, 05:13:02 AM »

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It's a long shot but not impossible. Rodman got drafted in 27th pick. Boozer was drafted in the 2nd round. And Roy Hibbert was drafted in 17th. There's a reason to be optimistic.

Re: A core of Rondo-Bradley-Green-Sully-Center will win a title
« Reply #98 on: May 26, 2013, 06:58:37 AM »

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anything can happen in the draft, but i'm pretty sure Rondo-Bradley-Green-Sully will not win a title. And to the person saying no one expected the Pacers, well George and Hibbert are both very legit (and underrated by most non-Pacer fans).

the only time that celtics "core" will contend is if the aforementioned Center is indeed an all-star caliber center on the level of Rondo. So yes, a core of Rondo-AllstarCenter can contend, especially if backed up by solid role players like Bradley and Green and Sully. Green is a very solid 3rd option imo and Bradley is the defensive specialist every aspiring contending team needs (like TA or D. Green or Sefolosha or Posey or Shumpert or Battier or Ariza etc.)

But again, we'd probably need a prime Shaq, Hakeem Olajuwon or Tim Duncan first.
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Re: A core of Rondo-Bradley-Green-Sully-Center will win a title
« Reply #99 on: May 26, 2013, 07:17:00 AM »

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anything can happen in the draft, but i'm pretty sure Rondo-Bradley-Green-Sully will not win a title. And to the person saying no one expected the Pacers, well George and Hibbert are both very legit (and underrated by most non-Pacer fans).

the only time that celtics "core" will contend is if the aforementioned Center is indeed an all-star caliber center on the level of Rondo. So yes, a core of Rondo-AllstarCenter can contend, especially if backed up by solid role players like Bradley and Green and Sully. Green is a very solid 3rd option imo and Bradley is the defensive specialist every aspiring contending team needs (like TA or D. Green or Sefolosha or Posey or Shumpert or Battier or Ariza etc.)

But again, we'd probably need a prime Shaq, Hakeem Olajuwon or Tim Duncan first.
This should be the last word on this thread as it clarifies things nicely.  Everyone got bent out of shape because "center" was not defined.  You absolutely need that center to be an all-star elite player to compete for a championship.

It is pure fantasy to say that this guy or that guy or that draft pick is going to develop into an elite player.

Re: A core of Rondo-Bradley-Green-Sully-Center will win a title
« Reply #100 on: May 26, 2013, 07:27:42 AM »

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lol... Yogi/Celtics18 ...  lot of effort spent arguing whether Tony Parker is slightly better than Rondo (Parker is a back-to-back All-NBA 2nd team ... Rondo was All-NBA 3rd team last year) ... or whether Sully's ceiling will ever reach SPlitter's current level...

You're missing my overall point here.  You remove Pierce/KG from Boston (a 41 win also-ran) and claim the remaining core is a future title contender is almost as foolish as removing DUncan/Ginobili from the Spurs (a 58 win contender) and claiming the remaining core is a future title contender.

Thread is nonsense.  Remove KG and Pierce from Boston and you're lookin at a lotto ticket.

Not at all

1.  I was responding to a very specific comparison between the 4 Spurs players and 4 Celtics.  This was not a part of the greater argument. 

2.  Ironically, while accusing us of missing the point, it is you who missed the OP's original point.  As pointed out earlier, the potential for these 4 being a championship core is in the future.  In 3 years time, Rondo and Green will be in their absolute prime like Parker is now.  Bradley and Sullinger will be 24 and 25 entering their prime years.  Considering that all 4 of those Celtics are young and coming off surgeries/injuries that held them back this season it is not unreasonable to expect they would improve a lot over the next three years.  If Fab can develop also in that time you're looking at potentially

MVP level player in Rondo
Lockdown 3 and D wing Bradley
20 5 5 Jeff Green
17 10 Sullinger
Shot blocking, long and mobile 7ft presence in Fab Melo (or Steven Adams).

This core is young, athletic, long, and can shoot.  Great balance of defense and offense.  Rondo, Green and Sully can dominate the post.  Add the further draft picks and cap space with the retirement of KG, Paul and Terry (also Bass who may or may not be extended) why can't this be a championship core in 3 years?  This is close to the best case scenario but we are talking about potential.

thank you
and we aren't even talking about playoffs
i dont think sully gets to 17ppg, but even if we get a 7footer who can score, i'm not sure why ppl are so pessimistic.

with the exception of injuries, you're asking everyone to do what they did with MINOR developments (JG and his left, AB and his long distance which was excellent season before last, Rondo and his long distance which was obviously developing, Sully catch 2 - 3 more rebounds per game than he did in january 2013).

at worst, you need a center who can run the floor. that's it...i'd even take a deandre jordan on that team.

only thing i agree with is the team is a bit small, but again, you get a 7 footer and hope rondo is still fast, i'm not sure there's too many problems.
the only problem, it still wont win a championship. there are too many better teams that are ELITE. this roster wont beat the thunder. it may be entertaining but it wont bring us a banner. i see this starting line up filled with roll players and six men.

if i'm with yogi, we're talking about in 3 years, and the thunder have to beat whomever's in the west first.
the thunder's window of opportunity is closing, esp if the westbook injury is a naggy one and then kendrick perkins is just trash.
you all HAVE to, HAVE to remember that we are in the East.
With this roster, our biggest issues will be the Heat (who I think will have an aged Dwayne Wade and possibly no BOsh or Lebron by then) and the Pacers (who have lots of talent and could have to deal with players getting money hungry).
Very funny. Lebron and Bosh are leaving the Heat and the window is closing on the Thunder, plus that Pacers team is getting broken up (presumably even if they win a championship). Where do these ideas come from? I'll give some fans credit for unfailing enthusiasm for the Celtics but this kind of stuff is totally delusional.

Re: A core of Rondo-Bradley-Green-Sully-Center will win a title
« Reply #101 on: May 26, 2013, 08:32:31 AM »

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It's a long shot but not impossible. Rodman got drafted in 27th pick. Boozer was drafted in the 2nd round. And Roy Hibbert was drafted in 17th. There's a reason to be optimistic.

Give my regards to the Easter Bunny!   Possible but improbable Eric Montross was drafted at 9.

Re: A core of Rondo-Bradley-Green-Sully-Center will win a title
« Reply #102 on: May 26, 2013, 09:05:48 AM »

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Kinda like that Pierce, Rondo, AlJeff, DWest, Ryan Gomes core?

Re: A core of Rondo-Bradley-Green-Sully-Center will win a title
« Reply #103 on: May 26, 2013, 10:54:20 AM »

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Our team may no longer be a contender, but I'd put this blog's ability to conflate the talent of their favorite Celtics up against any other blog.

Going to be harder to out-exaggerate some of you than it is to guard LeBron.

Mind-boggling this thread made six pages. Absolutely mind-boggling.

  I thought people conflating their favorite player's talent was your favorite description of the people claiming that the Celts would have trouble scoring without Rondo in the playoffs.

Re: A core of Rondo-Bradley-Green-Sully-Center will win a title
« Reply #104 on: May 26, 2013, 11:37:05 AM »

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anything can happen in the draft, but i'm pretty sure Rondo-Bradley-Green-Sully will not win a title. And to the person saying no one expected the Pacers, well George and Hibbert are both very legit (and underrated by most non-Pacer fans).


*sigh*
are you kidding me?

Roy Hibbert wanted a max contract and everyone was extremely confused. Everyone laughed at him. Everyone said he wasn't worth it. Everyone said he wasn't good. In 2012 HE WAS AN AVERAGE TO SLIGHT LY ABOVE AVG CENTER!!

No one saw this Paul George thing coming from a mile away. What evidence did we have of him becoming a star this year? He was almost useless last season. Now he's helping carrying his team against the Heat?

The Pacers are supposed to be Danny Granger and David West's team. Don't try to use what we know as logic for what we shoulda known at the beginning of the season. NO ONE saw this coming.

And to that point, the OP is saying anything is possible.