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Re: Do you think Danny Ainge will be on the hot seat?
« Reply #45 on: April 28, 2013, 05:49:47 PM »

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hard to add high-talent youth when you aren't drafting in the top 5-10. also, a team like OKC (which everyone likes to cite as a great example for how to build a franchise) got insanely lucky with draft lotteries. still, ainge has managed to assemble some good young pieces. green, bradley, and sully look to be solid pieces to go with rondo.

Re: Do you think Danny Ainge will be on the hot seat?
« Reply #46 on: April 28, 2013, 06:05:58 PM »

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Hope so. Best case scenario: hire Kevin McHale and see if he can give us another championship, this time as our official GM
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Re: Do you think Danny Ainge will be on the hot seat?
« Reply #47 on: April 28, 2013, 06:38:06 PM »

Offline LarBrd33

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Here's a little tidbit from ESPN's rumor section:

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The New York Knicks are aiming to put an end to the Boston Celtics' 2012-13 campaign Sunday by sweeping them out of the playoffs 4-0 in the first round. Unless the C's manage to buck history and come back from 0-3 in this series, talk soon will turn to how Danny Ainge will handle his roster this offseason. Step 1 will be determining what to do with Paul Pierce's contract.

"Pierce has a team option on his contract for 2013-14 at $15.3 million, with a $5 million buyout before June 30," noted the Boston Globe's Gary Washburn. "Meanwhile, Chris Wilcox’s minimum salary is the only guaranteed money that will come off the books next season, ensuring the Celtics will again be a luxury-tax team. Even jettisoning Pierce’s contract would offer no financial flexibility because they would still be over the salary cap.

"Unless the Celtics can find takers for players such as Jason Terry, Courtney Lee, and even Brandon Bass, they will be mostly the same club next season. Being over the salary cap, the Celtics will have their mini mid-level exception available, which is the contract that attracted Ray Allen to Miami."

Looking back, Ainge's all-in approach to adding the already aging Kevin Garnett and Allen to join Pierce for their lone championship run five years ago, and his failure to add high-end youth to the roster since then, has left his hands tied now. Barring some particularly creative maneuvering by Ainge this offseason, the C's are going to remain a long way from being title contenders for years to come.
It's even worse than that.  This team is almost completely devoid of assets.  Check out Simmons' latest "Trade Value" column... we don't have a single player in the top 30... and that includes the injured Rondo (who he ranked 34th in trade value).   

The sum of our "young assets" is Avery Bradley... who I don't think could even fetch a lotto pick.  And injured Jared Sullinger... who was probably picked right where he should have been picked (late 1st round).   Fab Melo will be out of the league in a couple years.  Jeff Green is a solid vet starter and getting 9 mil a year.  Rest of the team is fodder.

That said, there was a point where trading the vets for value made sense... and that was over 2 years ago.  We decided to ride it out and milk KG/Pierce for as long as possible.  Actually, that's not technically true... Ainge tried extremely hard to move Ray for value... tried very hard to move Pierce for value... tried trading Rondo every couple months... and even apparently tried trading KG.   At the end of the day, the crap we were being offered wasn't enough... it made more sense to just let these guys stick around and rebuild from scratch once they inevitably retired (obviously that doesnt' include ROndo... who is still only 28 years old and a Top 10 PG)

Despite "failing" to pull a magic superstar out of his butt, I'm extremely happy with Danny Ainge at GM.  We'll miss the playoffs next year and probably suffer through at least 5 years of lotto basketball, but that is just the way stuff works.  Ainge started with few assets, built a contender with a 3 year window... and now we're going to start the whole process all over again.   Ainge is a proven winner.  We tanked for a franchise player in 2007... and when that didn't work out we built a team that was outstanding for 3.5 years and watchable for 2 years after that.   I say we tank next year for Andrew Wiggins and see what happens.  Ainge is a fully competent GM.  The Celtics were irrelevant for 20 years and Ainge brought us glory.  Don't be a bunch of punks and take him for granted.  It's not easy building a champion out of ashes. 

TL;DR: Danny Ainge is one of the best GM's in the entire league.  He'll do whatever he can do to make this team the best it can be.  Unfortunately, the opportunities to improve this team just haven't been there.

Re: Do you think Danny Ainge will be on the hot seat?
« Reply #48 on: April 28, 2013, 06:41:30 PM »

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I don't think so. He might catch heat for not finding a suitable big man since tha Perkins trade but why should he even be on tha hot seat when Doc doesn't play the people that Danny signs?

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Re: Do you think Danny Ainge will be on the hot seat?
« Reply #49 on: April 28, 2013, 06:45:28 PM »

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About the Perkins trade, I think it is safe to say we won out on that trade.  Green has more upside and is a better player than Perk is today.

Re: Do you think Danny Ainge will be on the hot seat?
« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2013, 06:51:07 PM »

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Hope so. Best case scenario: hire Kevin McHale and see if he can give us another championship, this time as our official GM

I believe this works best when McHale is the GM on ANOTHER team.  ;D
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Re: Do you think Danny Ainge will be on the hot seat?
« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2013, 08:04:17 PM »

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   Ainge has earned the right to rebuild this team.  He's not going anywhere unless he wants to.  Same for Doc. 

 Not for a few years anyway.
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Re: Do you think Danny Ainge will be on the hot seat?
« Reply #52 on: April 28, 2013, 08:31:47 PM »

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Here's a little tidbit from ESPN's rumor section:

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The New York Knicks are aiming to put an end to the Boston Celtics' 2012-13 campaign Sunday by sweeping them out of the playoffs 4-0 in the first round. Unless the C's manage to buck history and come back from 0-3 in this series, talk soon will turn to how Danny Ainge will handle his roster this offseason. Step 1 will be determining what to do with Paul Pierce's contract.

"Pierce has a team option on his contract for 2013-14 at $15.3 million, with a $5 million buyout before June 30," noted the Boston Globe's Gary Washburn. "Meanwhile, Chris Wilcox’s minimum salary is the only guaranteed money that will come off the books next season, ensuring the Celtics will again be a luxury-tax team. Even jettisoning Pierce’s contract would offer no financial flexibility because they would still be over the salary cap.

"Unless the Celtics can find takers for players such as Jason Terry, Courtney Lee, and even Brandon Bass, they will be mostly the same club next season. Being over the salary cap, the Celtics will have their mini mid-level exception available, which is the contract that attracted Ray Allen to Miami."

Looking back, Ainge's all-in approach to adding the already aging Kevin Garnett and Allen to join Pierce for their lone championship run five years ago, and his failure to add high-end youth to the roster since then, has left his hands tied now. Barring some particularly creative maneuvering by Ainge this offseason, the C's are going to remain a long way from being title contenders for years to come.

  Add a healthy Rondo and Sully, pick up a big and possibly another scoring wing and they'll be in decent shape next year. Clearly we're still capable of playing top level defense. If Rondo was healthy right now we'd just as likely as not be heading towards a trip to the ecf.

Re: Do you think Danny Ainge will be on the hot seat?
« Reply #53 on: April 28, 2013, 08:36:49 PM »

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Yes, he should be! If you really sit down and think about it, Danny Ainge hasn't done anything productive since trading for KG. AND, you could make the argument that was attributed more to Kevin McHale being a former Celtic than Danny Ainge doing anything.

Think about it, since 2008 he's made the following blunders
-Patrick O'Bryant
-Trading Perkins for a player we didn't need
-Shaq in the twilight of his career
-Jermaine O'Neal
-Jason Terry
-Courtney Lee
-Not dealing Ray Allen for OJ Mayo when he had the chance. Then Ray bolts to Miami.
-Not acquiring a big last summer or at this year's trade deadline, when we BADLY needed it.

AND for all the talk of injuries, it's the GM's job to foresee injuries and provide the team with proper depth. Just pinning misfortunes on injuries doesn't fly. Look at the Knicks. Throughout the year the likes of Carmelo, Felton, Amar'e and Chandler have all had injuries. They seem to be doing pretty well.

Trading Perk for a player we don't need? Greens been one of our best players in the series. Perk wanted more money than worth, and it shows that he was a system guy. Yes I'd like to have Perk right now, but with Both ONeals and thinking of rebuilding with rolling the dice on trading Rondo for CP3 the following season it would have ended up being a brilliant move if CP3 okayed the trade.

Jermaine was a gamble he had his ups and downs, but its not like 7 footers are a dime a dozen some times you roll the dice on them.

Terry and Lee was in no way his fault. I remember just about EVERYONE being excited about the two of them, like we won the lottery. They were good players the season before, he brought them in, but he can't play for them. Thats all on them or Doc if he's not putting them were they need to be to succeed.

The Vets from what is said turned down the Allen for Mayo trade. THEY talked him out of it. Or the other rumor was Mayo turned it down. He was ready to pull the trigger. While Allen played well during the playoffs, he probably should have know what we do now.

Again, bigs aren't falling from the sky, and they are crazy expensive on top of that, just didn't have the money for a FA. And he had a big lined up, he had Jordan lined up, but KG turned it down. Yeah I'd hate to see KG go and probably Ange would to, but thats what it was going to cost to get a legit big, no way we could trade Melo and picks for one. He got Randolph which seems like he can play, but he's been stuck on the bench this series.

So its not for a lack of trying, he's kept them competitive every single year, two finals, to to the ECF last season with a banged up team. The was the first really bad season, and that with our best player, a hot shooting Brazilian guard, and a rookie with a ton of potential making some waves going down. And Green just has been getting his legs back the last couple months.

Give me two or three years of 22 wins or less with know site of getting better like the Bobcats then we have some thing to talk about.

Re: Do you think Danny Ainge will be on the hot seat?
« Reply #54 on: April 28, 2013, 09:39:35 PM »

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I don't see how you can blame Danny. We had a nice roster at the start of the season, and once we started to gel players started going down. He's scraped together a patchwork team that still has some fight left.

I think how he handles the next couple of years will determine whether he should be on the hot seat.

I'd love to see him bring in Oden and get a back/knee specialist for him and Sully (don't they have similar issues?) and let PP and KG have a final run if they want it.
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Re: Do you think Danny Ainge will be on the hot seat?
« Reply #55 on: April 28, 2013, 09:42:10 PM »

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let PP and KG have a final run if they want it.


PP and KG are still very very  important for this team. I dont see a reason why they should retire.