Aren't you just loving Jeff and Paul?

[Celtics18]

Jeff...yes. Paul...no.

i'm no Paul Piece fangirl and at the beginning of the season I may have agreed with you.
but as of late, Paulie has me eating tons of crow (and I love it).

he's being a captain. I think sometimes, he plays a little too much hero ball...but I mean..tonight he had 15 rebounds out of what? 40 or something. he's just contributing everywhere. i really can't hate on that.

unless we're down 5 and he takes an illadvised 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock. lol

Yeah, I used to be a big Pierce fan too, but I realize his time is over. He is still talented and can do a lot of things still, but I just feel that they are empty stats. I'm ready to see Jeff start w/o Pierce. Hopefully he can come off the bench next year, if he is still here.

Can you explain the empty stats comment?

Like for example...against the hawks...he had 20/10/10...but I also realized everyone was almost hitting everything...you mean his assists then would be considered an empty stat?

I'm just trying to understand what you're saying.

Do you think Jeff would be as effective without a guy like PP? I think Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder around him at all times.

I guess I shouldn't use the term "empty stats". But for example, today he had an good stat line, but the team lost by double digits. He is kinda becoming like Kobe lately (good stats in losses). I think it is an age thing.

I agree Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder, but Paul is not the only person who can fill that role.  But, my whole point is I am more impressed by Jeff and not really Pierce and I think Jeff will work quite fine without him.

In the eighteen wins since Rondo went down, Paul Pierce is averaging 18.5 ppg, 8.5 rpg, and 6.7 apg.  Some pretty good stats in wins as well.

No doubt he has played better since Rondo went down. Most likely due to getting in "game shape" later into the season.

Or being injured earlier in the season, or meeting the challenge of being the leader and the Captain without our injured point guard.  Whatever the reason is, it's hard to deny that he's been playing like an MVP candidate since Rondo went down. 

I understand that you feel that his presence, and maybe KG's presence as well, is holding back the development of younger guys.  To a degree, I would even agree with that, but I think everyone should recognize the kind of ball Paul Pierce has been playing of late.  It's been incredible, and it deserves to be applauded. 

Right now Paul Pierce is almost unquestionably the most under-rated player in the league.  I think it's time we started rating him around here.

He is still playing with an injury. Like he said the pinched nerve probably won't go away. This happened last year too. He came in out of shape (I understand the lockout, but still). Vets obviously do this all time (Dirk came into the season out of shape too).

Yes, you are right, I believe the over dependance on the vets is holding the young guys back. That is mostly Doc's fault, in my opinion. But I understand the importance of vet presence on the team.

I agree, Paul Pierce has been overlooked and underrated throughout his career. I also agree, his play after Rondo went down the main reason that the Celtics are even going to the playoffs.

But the title of the thread is "Aren't you just loving Jeff and Paul?" To me..Jeff yes. Not so much about Paul. I know. Do I like the combination of them together? Not really, because it's not effective to me. The game against the Knicks shows that. I'm just loving that Jeff can be consistent cause I was starting to think he couldn't be.

Wow!  Talk about knee jerk reactions.  That one game showed you that Jeff Green and Paul Pierce can't be effective together?

Anyway, I'm glad you appreciate the way Green's been playing.  He's got me feeling more excited about the future as well.  I feel kind of bad for you,though, that you are unable to appreciate the special run that Paul Pierce is on right now.

If we want any chance at playoff success this year, he'll need to keep it up.

[zimbo]

Jeff...yes. Paul...no.

i'm no Paul Piece fangirl and at the beginning of the season I may have agreed with you.
but as of late, Paulie has me eating tons of crow (and I love it).

he's being a captain. I think sometimes, he plays a little too much hero ball...but I mean..tonight he had 15 rebounds out of what? 40 or something. he's just contributing everywhere. i really can't hate on that.

unless we're down 5 and he takes an illadvised 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock. lol

Yeah, I used to be a big Pierce fan too, but I realize his time is over. He is still talented and can do a lot of things still, but I just feel that they are empty stats. I'm ready to see Jeff start w/o Pierce. Hopefully he can come off the bench next year, if he is still here.

Can you explain the empty stats comment?

Like for example...against the hawks...he had 20/10/10...but I also realized everyone was almost hitting everything...you mean his assists then would be considered an empty stat?

I'm just trying to understand what you're saying.

Do you think Jeff would be as effective without a guy like PP? I think Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder around him at all times.

I guess I shouldn't use the term "empty stats". But for example, today he had an good stat line, but the team lost by double digits. He is kinda becoming like Kobe lately (good stats in losses). I think it is an age thing.

I agree Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder, but Paul is not the only person who can fill that role.  But, my whole point is I am more impressed by Jeff and not really Pierce and I think Jeff will work quite fine without him.

In the eighteen wins since Rondo went down, Paul Pierce is averaging 18.5 ppg, 8.5 rpg, and 6.7 apg.  Some pretty good stats in wins as well.

No doubt he has played better since Rondo went down. Most likely due to getting in "game shape" later into the season.

Or being injured earlier in the season, or meeting the challenge of being the leader and the Captain without our injured point guard.  Whatever the reason is, it's hard to deny that he's been playing like an MVP candidate since Rondo went down. 

I understand that you feel that his presence, and maybe KG's presence as well, is holding back the development of younger guys.  To a degree, I would even agree with that, but I think everyone should recognize the kind of ball Paul Pierce has been playing of late.  It's been incredible, and it deserves to be applauded. 

Right now Paul Pierce is almost unquestionably the most under-rated player in the league.  I think it's time we started rating him around here.

He is still playing with an injury. Like he said the pinched nerve probably won't go away. This happened last year too. He came in out of shape (I understand the lockout, but still). Vets obviously do this all time (Dirk came into the season out of shape too).

Yes, you are right, I believe the over dependance on the vets is holding the young guys back. That is mostly Doc's fault, in my opinion. But I understand the importance of vet presence on the team.

I agree, Paul Pierce has been overlooked and underrated throughout his career. I also agree, his play after Rondo went down the main reason that the Celtics are even going to the playoffs.

But the title of the thread is "Aren't you just loving Jeff and Paul?" To me..Jeff yes. Not so much about Paul. I know. Do I like the combination of them together? Not really, because it's not effective to me. The game against the Knicks shows that. I'm just loving that Jeff can be consistent cause I was starting to think he couldn't be.

Wow!  Talk about knee jerk reactions.  That one game showed you that Jeff Green and Paul Pierce can't be effective together?

Anyway, I'm glad you appreciate the way Green's been playing.  He's got me feeling more excited about the future as well.  I feel kind of bad for you,though, that you are unable to appreciate the special run that Paul Pierce is on right now.

If we want any chance at playoff success this year, he'll need to keep it up.

To me, not yet. Not ruling out that they might be. I said I like what Paul is doing, but I never doubted him as a player. So no, it's not special to me. He has done this in the past. He steps up when Rondo is not playing. Like those Orlando Magic games last year or Game 2 of the Hawks series.

I agree, Jeff needs to keep it up in the playoffs for the team to have a chance this year.

[zimbo]

Can someone please ban zimbo.  This kind of talk is an embarrassment to Celtics fans.  Pierce has been playing at an unreal level for a long time now.  He's played far better than I thought even possible this season.

No, Pierce isn't as athletic or explosive as he used to be.  He also doesn't have the physical endurance he used to have.  He's older.  But he's been insanely efficient.  Been on fire on offense from all over the floor, is getting to the line, is playing great defense, but most of all, his rebounding has been insane since Sullinger went down.

It's clear that he is leading by example, because his rebounding rate has skyrocketed and it's obvious he's working harder to help out on the boards. 

Pierce's leadership and entangibles would make him a great asset to this team as long as he wasn't horrible.  The fact he's been playing out of his mind, top 5 player good has just been amazing.

You need to stop posting.

Lol, just cause I critiqued *gasp* Paul Pierce. He is the Celtic no one can talk about right? Well, of course KG too, I bet.

Seriously, you seem to be mad that we don't have Lebron on our team or something. I have to remind you that Lebron might be one of the top 10 all time players, and he's currently in his prime! Comparing him and Durant with Pierce is just unfair for Paul...

If we had 5 players playing at the same level as Pierce has been playing since Rondo went down, we would be #2 in the East right now...

Pierce is playing winning basketball since Rondo went down. If you're not satisfied with that and all you wanna see is 30PPG and crazy dunks, alley oops and highlight reels, then you are supporting the wrong team! South beach suits you better...

You are right, if I was a LeBron fan, then I would be on a Heat forum debating the hard fouls that LeBron supposedly gets and Danny Ainge's comment. But, I am not, I am Celtics fan and I shouldn't have to be censored because I have a opinion that differs from the majority.

[Celtics18]

Jeff...yes. Paul...no.

i'm no Paul Piece fangirl and at the beginning of the season I may have agreed with you.
but as of late, Paulie has me eating tons of crow (and I love it).

he's being a captain. I think sometimes, he plays a little too much hero ball...but I mean..tonight he had 15 rebounds out of what? 40 or something. he's just contributing everywhere. i really can't hate on that.

unless we're down 5 and he takes an illadvised 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock. lol

Yeah, I used to be a big Pierce fan too, but I realize his time is over. He is still talented and can do a lot of things still, but I just feel that they are empty stats. I'm ready to see Jeff start w/o Pierce. Hopefully he can come off the bench next year, if he is still here.

Can you explain the empty stats comment?

Like for example...against the hawks...he had 20/10/10...but I also realized everyone was almost hitting everything...you mean his assists then would be considered an empty stat?

I'm just trying to understand what you're saying.

Do you think Jeff would be as effective without a guy like PP? I think Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder around him at all times.

I guess I shouldn't use the term "empty stats". But for example, today he had an good stat line, but the team lost by double digits. He is kinda becoming like Kobe lately (good stats in losses). I think it is an age thing.

I agree Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder, but Paul is not the only person who can fill that role.  But, my whole point is I am more impressed by Jeff and not really Pierce and I think Jeff will work quite fine without him.

In the eighteen wins since Rondo went down, Paul Pierce is averaging 18.5 ppg, 8.5 rpg, and 6.7 apg.  Some pretty good stats in wins as well.

No doubt he has played better since Rondo went down. Most likely due to getting in "game shape" later into the season.

Or being injured earlier in the season, or meeting the challenge of being the leader and the Captain without our injured point guard.  Whatever the reason is, it's hard to deny that he's been playing like an MVP candidate since Rondo went down. 

I understand that you feel that his presence, and maybe KG's presence as well, is holding back the development of younger guys.  To a degree, I would even agree with that, but I think everyone should recognize the kind of ball Paul Pierce has been playing of late.  It's been incredible, and it deserves to be applauded. 

Right now Paul Pierce is almost unquestionably the most under-rated player in the league.  I think it's time we started rating him around here.

He is still playing with an injury. Like he said the pinched nerve probably won't go away. This happened last year too. He came in out of shape (I understand the lockout, but still). Vets obviously do this all time (Dirk came into the season out of shape too).

Yes, you are right, I believe the over dependance on the vets is holding the young guys back. That is mostly Doc's fault, in my opinion. But I understand the importance of vet presence on the team.

I agree, Paul Pierce has been overlooked and underrated throughout his career. I also agree, his play after Rondo went down the main reason that the Celtics are even going to the playoffs.

But the title of the thread is "Aren't you just loving Jeff and Paul?" To me..Jeff yes. Not so much about Paul. I know. Do I like the combination of them together? Not really, because it's not effective to me. The game against the Knicks shows that. I'm just loving that Jeff can be consistent cause I was starting to think he couldn't be.

Wow!  Talk about knee jerk reactions.  That one game showed you that Jeff Green and Paul Pierce can't be effective together?

Anyway, I'm glad you appreciate the way Green's been playing.  He's got me feeling more excited about the future as well.  I feel kind of bad for you,though, that you are unable to appreciate the special run that Paul Pierce is on right now.

If we want any chance at playoff success this year, he'll need to keep it up.

To me, not yet. Not ruling out that they might be. I said I like what Paul is doing, but I never doubted him as a player. So no, it's not special to me. He has done this in the past. He steps up when Rondo is not playing. Like those Orlando Magic games last year or Game 2 of the Hawks series.

I agree, Jeff needs to keep it up in the playoffs for the team to have a chance this year.

I was talking about Pierce, but, yeah, we'll need good play from Jeff Green as well.

[zimbo]

Jeff...yes. Paul...no.

i'm no Paul Piece fangirl and at the beginning of the season I may have agreed with you.
but as of late, Paulie has me eating tons of crow (and I love it).

he's being a captain. I think sometimes, he plays a little too much hero ball...but I mean..tonight he had 15 rebounds out of what? 40 or something. he's just contributing everywhere. i really can't hate on that.

unless we're down 5 and he takes an illadvised 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock. lol

Yeah, I used to be a big Pierce fan too, but I realize his time is over. He is still talented and can do a lot of things still, but I just feel that they are empty stats. I'm ready to see Jeff start w/o Pierce. Hopefully he can come off the bench next year, if he is still here.

Can you explain the empty stats comment?

Like for example...against the hawks...he had 20/10/10...but I also realized everyone was almost hitting everything...you mean his assists then would be considered an empty stat?

I'm just trying to understand what you're saying.

Do you think Jeff would be as effective without a guy like PP? I think Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder around him at all times.

I guess I shouldn't use the term "empty stats". But for example, today he had an good stat line, but the team lost by double digits. He is kinda becoming like Kobe lately (good stats in losses). I think it is an age thing.

I agree Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder, but Paul is not the only person who can fill that role.  But, my whole point is I am more impressed by Jeff and not really Pierce and I think Jeff will work quite fine without him.

In the eighteen wins since Rondo went down, Paul Pierce is averaging 18.5 ppg, 8.5 rpg, and 6.7 apg.  Some pretty good stats in wins as well.

No doubt he has played better since Rondo went down. Most likely due to getting in "game shape" later into the season.

Or being injured earlier in the season, or meeting the challenge of being the leader and the Captain without our injured point guard.  Whatever the reason is, it's hard to deny that he's been playing like an MVP candidate since Rondo went down. 

I understand that you feel that his presence, and maybe KG's presence as well, is holding back the development of younger guys.  To a degree, I would even agree with that, but I think everyone should recognize the kind of ball Paul Pierce has been playing of late.  It's been incredible, and it deserves to be applauded. 

Right now Paul Pierce is almost unquestionably the most under-rated player in the league.  I think it's time we started rating him around here.

He is still playing with an injury. Like he said the pinched nerve probably won't go away. This happened last year too. He came in out of shape (I understand the lockout, but still). Vets obviously do this all time (Dirk came into the season out of shape too).

Yes, you are right, I believe the over dependance on the vets is holding the young guys back. That is mostly Doc's fault, in my opinion. But I understand the importance of vet presence on the team.

I agree, Paul Pierce has been overlooked and underrated throughout his career. I also agree, his play after Rondo went down the main reason that the Celtics are even going to the playoffs.

But the title of the thread is "Aren't you just loving Jeff and Paul?" To me..Jeff yes. Not so much about Paul. I know. Do I like the combination of them together? Not really, because it's not effective to me. The game against the Knicks shows that. I'm just loving that Jeff can be consistent cause I was starting to think he couldn't be.

Wow!  Talk about knee jerk reactions.  That one game showed you that Jeff Green and Paul Pierce can't be effective together?

Anyway, I'm glad you appreciate the way Green's been playing.  He's got me feeling more excited about the future as well.  I feel kind of bad for you,though, that you are unable to appreciate the special run that Paul Pierce is on right now.

If we want any chance at playoff success this year, he'll need to keep it up.

To me, not yet. Not ruling out that they might be. I said I like what Paul is doing, but I never doubted him as a player. So no, it's not special to me. He has done this in the past. He steps up when Rondo is not playing. Like those Orlando Magic games last year or Game 2 of the Hawks series.

I agree, Jeff needs to keep it up in the playoffs for the team to have a chance this year.

I was talking about Pierce, but, yeah, we'll need good play from Jeff Green as well.

My bad. I agree we definitely need Pierce to play like he is playing now, in the playoffs.

[BballTim]

Jeff...yes. Paul...no.

I'm stunned by that comment.  Pretty much all I want to do these days is gush over the way our Captain has been playing since we lost our point guard.  As far as I'm concerned, he's been playing not just like an all star, but like a legit superstar.  He's the main reason that I have some hope for this team come playoff time.

I've been happy with Jeff Green's play, as well.

Great opinion. I just he is a shell of what he once was. The team needs to move on.

  I agree Paul isn't the player he once was. But he's still one of the better small forwards in the game.

Eh...but that is not saying much. After LeBron and Durant, there is a major drop off of in talent in the SFs of the league.

  That's a pretty meaningless comment. PP was never at the level of James or Durant, even in his prime. Are you somehow claiming that it doesn't matter whether you have PP or (for instance) Alonzo Gee because neither are as good as LeBron?

[Snakehead]

They are a great offensive combo playing off of each other.  Hopefully they can find the floor together consistently.

[zimbo]

Jeff...yes. Paul...no.

I'm stunned by that comment.  Pretty much all I want to do these days is gush over the way our Captain has been playing since we lost our point guard.  As far as I'm concerned, he's been playing not just like an all star, but like a legit superstar.  He's the main reason that I have some hope for this team come playoff time.

I've been happy with Jeff Green's play, as well.

Great opinion. I just he is a shell of what he once was. The team needs to move on.

  I agree Paul isn't the player he once was. But he's still one of the better small forwards in the game.

Eh...but that is not saying much. After LeBron and Durant, there is a major drop off of in talent in the SFs of the league.

  That's a pretty meaningless comment. PP was never at the level of James or Durant, even in his prime. Are you somehow claiming that it doesn't matter whether you have PP or (for instance) Alonzo Gee because neither are as good as LeBron?

Did I say that? You said "he is still one of the best SFs in the game". I just said the talent after those 2 drops off at the position. Like after Dwight Howard, the talent at the center position drops off. The doesn't mean that Bynum (healthy) or Hibbert are on the same level as Robin Lopez.  The small forward, center, and shooting guard positions are top heavy elite wise.

So no... I am not claiming that Pierce (or Melo) are on the same level as Gee. You just spun my comment into that claim, because it gives you a better argument.

[coco]

Yes,  there some good chemistry developing between these two.   If only Rondo can be convicted to look for JG when he is on the floor.  Afraid Rondo will snub JG when he returns.

[BballTim]

Jeff...yes. Paul...no.

I'm stunned by that comment.  Pretty much all I want to do these days is gush over the way our Captain has been playing since we lost our point guard.  As far as I'm concerned, he's been playing not just like an all star, but like a legit superstar.  He's the main reason that I have some hope for this team come playoff time.

I've been happy with Jeff Green's play, as well.

Great opinion. I just he is a shell of what he once was. The team needs to move on.

  I agree Paul isn't the player he once was. But he's still one of the better small forwards in the game.

Eh...but that is not saying much. After LeBron and Durant, there is a major drop off of in talent in the SFs of the league.

  That's a pretty meaningless comment. PP was never at the level of James or Durant, even in his prime. Are you somehow claiming that it doesn't matter whether you have PP or (for instance) Alonzo Gee because neither are as good as LeBron?

Did I say that? You said "he is still one of the best SFs in the game". I just said the talent after those 2 drops off at the position. Like after Dwight Howard, the talent at the center position drops off. The doesn't mean that Bynum (healthy) or Hibbert are on the same level as Robin Lopez.  The small forward, center, and shooting guard positions are top heavy elite wise.

So no... I am not claiming that Pierce (or Melo) are on the same level as Gee. You just spun my comment into that claim, because it gives you a better argument.

  I still don't see what the point of your comment was. Obviously there's a drop off in talent from 2 transcendent players to everyone else in their position. LeBron and Durant could end up as 2 of the top 5-6 small forwards of all time, that doesn't take away from the value PP adds to the team. I also don't see the point in "moving on" from an above average player because he used to be better than he is now.

[wdleehi]

All personal attacks need to end.  This is the last warning. 

[zimbo]

Jeff...yes. Paul...no.

I'm stunned by that comment.  Pretty much all I want to do these days is gush over the way our Captain has been playing since we lost our point guard.  As far as I'm concerned, he's been playing not just like an all star, but like a legit superstar.  He's the main reason that I have some hope for this team come playoff time.

I've been happy with Jeff Green's play, as well.

Great opinion. I just he is a shell of what he once was. The team needs to move on.

  I agree Paul isn't the player he once was. But he's still one of the better small forwards in the game.

Eh...but that is not saying much. After LeBron and Durant, there is a major drop off of in talent in the SFs of the league.

  That's a pretty meaningless comment. PP was never at the level of James or Durant, even in his prime. Are you somehow claiming that it doesn't matter whether you have PP or (for instance) Alonzo Gee because neither are as good as LeBron?

Did I say that? You said "he is still one of the best SFs in the game". I just said the talent after those 2 drops off at the position. Like after Dwight Howard, the talent at the center position drops off. The doesn't mean that Bynum (healthy) or Hibbert are on the same level as Robin Lopez.  The small forward, center, and shooting guard positions are top heavy elite wise.

So no... I am not claiming that Pierce (or Melo) are on the same level as Gee. You just spun my comment into that claim, because it gives you a better argument.

  I still don't see what the point of your comment was. Obviously there's a drop off in talent from 2 transcendent players to everyone else in their position. LeBron and Durant could end up as 2 of the top 5-6 small forwards of all time, that doesn't take away from the value PP adds to the team. I also don't see the point in "moving on" from an above average player because he used to be better than he is now.

The point of it was to respond to your comment of Pierce being one on best SFs currently in the game. Yes, he is and that actually has more to do with the bevy of Gee's and the Singler's in this league now.  I never said he wasn't valuable, so I won't even argue that. If you read my previous comments, I am just stating that I am not loving PP like I am loving JG. Because, he always had that potential. And as far as "moving on", that's just life. He is getting older, not younger. That doesn't mean that he can't be a 3-5 option or a great bench player on a contending team, like Ray is right now.

[BballTim]

Jeff...yes. Paul...no.

I'm stunned by that comment.  Pretty much all I want to do these days is gush over the way our Captain has been playing since we lost our point guard.  As far as I'm concerned, he's been playing not just like an all star, but like a legit superstar.  He's the main reason that I have some hope for this team come playoff time.

I've been happy with Jeff Green's play, as well.

Great opinion. I just he is a shell of what he once was. The team needs to move on.

  I agree Paul isn't the player he once was. But he's still one of the better small forwards in the game.

Eh...but that is not saying much. After LeBron and Durant, there is a major drop off of in talent in the SFs of the league.

  That's a pretty meaningless comment. PP was never at the level of James or Durant, even in his prime. Are you somehow claiming that it doesn't matter whether you have PP or (for instance) Alonzo Gee because neither are as good as LeBron?

Did I say that? You said "he is still one of the best SFs in the game". I just said the talent after those 2 drops off at the position. Like after Dwight Howard, the talent at the center position drops off. The doesn't mean that Bynum (healthy) or Hibbert are on the same level as Robin Lopez.  The small forward, center, and shooting guard positions are top heavy elite wise.

So no... I am not claiming that Pierce (or Melo) are on the same level as Gee. You just spun my comment into that claim, because it gives you a better argument.

  I still don't see what the point of your comment was. Obviously there's a drop off in talent from 2 transcendent players to everyone else in their position. LeBron and Durant could end up as 2 of the top 5-6 small forwards of all time, that doesn't take away from the value PP adds to the team. I also don't see the point in "moving on" from an above average player because he used to be better than he is now.

The point of it was to respond to your comment of Pierce being one on best SFs currently in the game. Yes, he is and that actually has more to do with the bevy of Gee's and the Singler's in this league now.  I never said he wasn't valuable, so I won't even argue that. If you read my previous comments, I am just stating that I am not loving PP like I am loving JG. Because, he always had that potential. And as far as "moving on", that's just life. He is getting older, not younger. That doesn't mean that he can't be a 3-5 option or a great bench player on a contending team, like Ray is right now.

  You don't seem to dispute that he's still one of the best small forwards and he's still a top 15 scorer in the league. Obviously that doesn't translate to a 3-5 option or a bench player unless he's getting traded to OKC or Miami or possible 1-2 other teams.

[BballTim]

All personal attacks need to end.  This is the last warning. 

  I don't see a lot of personal attacks on this page. Am I missing something?

[wdleehi]

All personal attacks need to end.  This is the last warning. 

  I don't see a lot of personal attacks on this page. Am I missing something?

Wasn't related to your posts.